Next move

[lon3lytoaster]

yeah, but that was last year, now it's 2009 man, we live now, not in 2008, things change man, plus he has more value, why Ainge draft him instead of Walker, Chalmers...

Maybe cause he made a big huge mistake

I don't think missing with the 30th pick is a huge mistake. Not many draftees from that range of picks end up being NBA players.

Luke Walton is the last I remember doing much myself....

Michael Redd
Marko Jaric
Trenton Hassell
Gilbert Arenas
Memo Okur
Will Solomon (Hall of fame bound)
Earl Watson
Bobby Simmons
Carlos Boozer
Luis Scola
Jason Kapono
Mo Williams
Anderson Varejao
Trevor Ariza
Monta Ellis
Ryan Gomes
David Lee
Leon Powe
Glen Davis
Marc Gasol
Mario Chalmers
DeAndre Jordan

Just a few good players taken after 30 (or at 30) from 2000 till 2008. A lot of really nice role players and a couple all stars, or all star caliber.

To me, that list says even if it is a low pick, it's not a good idea to just let it go. We could of had Chalmers over Giddens and we wouldn't be talking about getting a packup PG.

[Jeff]

vet PG for the min please

[Fafnir]

yeah, but that was last year, now it's 2009 man, we live now, not in 2008, things change man, plus he has more value, why Ainge draft him instead of Walker, Chalmers...

Maybe cause he made a big huge mistake

I don't think missing with the 30th pick is a huge mistake. Not many draftees from that range of picks end up being NBA players.

Luke Walton is the last I remember doing much myself....

Michael Redd
Marko Jaric
Trenton Hassell
Gilbert Arenas
Memo Okur
Will Solomon (Hall of fame bound)
Earl Watson
Bobby Simmons
Carlos Boozer
Luis Scola
Jason Kapono
Mo Williams
Anderson Varejao
Trevor Ariza
Monta Ellis
Ryan Gomes
David Lee
Leon Powe
Glen Davis
Marc Gasol
Mario Chalmers
DeAndre Jordan

Just a few good players taken after 30 (or at 30) from 2000 till 2008. A lot of really nice role players and a couple all stars, or all star caliber.

To me, that list says even if it is a low pick, it's not a good idea to just let it go. We could of had Chalmers over Giddens and we wouldn't be talking about getting a packup PG.

So the list is of 8 year of drafts, and every pick 30th and later.

Thats 240 picks you're culling from. You've got a list of 20 players, a few of whom are a joke or not proven roleplayers. Not a great success rate just from your formal list.

A more rigorous study can be found here.

Most late picks don't cut it in the league. Do I wish Danny had taken someone who contributed more than Giddens, sure. But I'm not going to kill him for it. Especially when we're only one year in and who knows where all the other options or even Giddens career's will go.

[lon3lytoaster]

The point I was trying to get at is that Giddens was a wasted pick. He was protected in the late second round, if drafted at all. Do you always get great talent out of the second round? No, not usually. Can you, though? Absolutely. Three of the names on the list were drafted by Danny, or at least traded for shortly after their selection. He's a great talent scout and gets a lot of steals. I think most people on the blog wanted Chalmers, and that should have been our pick.

[Fafnir]

The point I was trying to get at is that Giddens was a wasted pick. He was protected in the late second round, if drafted at all. Do you always get great talent out of the second round? No, not usually. Can you, though? Absolutely. Three of the names on the list were drafted by Danny, or at least traded for shortly after their selection. He's a great talent scout and gets a lot of steals. I think most people on the blog wanted Chalmers, and that should have been our pick.

A lot of people on the message board usually want a big name college player. Why in the world should that effect Danny's drafting or even effect our evaluation of Danny's draft?

Also Giddens might end up being a miss, but thats not definite yet.

[screwedupmaniac]

Next Move: waive the big 3 and sheed? 

Starting 5:

Rondo
T. Allen
Daniels
Big Baby
Perk and Shelden fight for the last spot

bahaha

[BballTim]

The point I was trying to get at is that Giddens was a wasted pick. He was protected in the late second round, if drafted at all. Do you always get great talent out of the second round? No, not usually. Can you, though? Absolutely. Three of the names on the list were drafted by Danny, or at least traded for shortly after their selection. He's a great talent scout and gets a lot of steals. I think most people on the blog wanted Chalmers, and that should have been our pick.

  I thought there were more posts wanting Douglas-Roberts as anyone else. There wasn't anything near a consensus.

[Vermont Green]

Our roster as currently constituted is heavy in the "bench smallish wing" type of player.  We have Tony Allen, Giddens, Daniels, House, and even Walker could be in that group.  Of that group, House and Daniels can play back up PG probably more or less as well as any of the "Vet Min" PGs that are available, even though PG is not their natural position.  Based on this, I don't see it as an improvement to sign a vet min PG just to fill the spot.

Now if we could trade one or two of this group for a player of equal talent or better but more of a natural PG, great, let's do it.  I would even consider trading Eddie for a good enough back up PG if need by.  I really like Daniels for the role he will have (multi position bench player) so I wouldn't trade him even if we could.  Trades takes two to tango though what we got to give isn't going get all that much back.  Scal may be expendable also with all of the other bigs but Scal is pretty nice insurance if one of the starting or back-up bigs get hurt.

So my bottom line?  Just hang.  Let the season begin to play out with exactly who we have (Hudson or not makes no difference as he won't be active anyway).  There will be trades available along the way and players bought out.  We should be ready to jump if the right thing comes up but we should not feel any need to do anything.  Injuries and performance may force us into more of a need position along the way but right now, we should feel no pressure to do anything.

[Tough Juice]

you may like him, you may not, but Giddens is going to be a Celt this season, he can't be waived like someone said, because he's a first rounder and he has 2 guaranteed years, that's leagues rules. He can't be waived, cut or something like that, the only chance to get him out of Boston is to move him via trade. Walker, can be waived, TA can be waived, Hudson can be waived (if he sign), Scal can be waived, KG can be waived if you want to, or Pierce, or Rondo, but Giddens can't. That's it, like it or not

[Edgar]

what I want

sign vet for min.

what will happend

sign Lester Hudson.
( I am still praying he becomes a Gomes like NBA limited but usefull player on rookie year)

 

[BudweiserCeltic]

The point I was trying to get at is that Giddens was a wasted pick. He was protected in the late second round, if drafted at all. Do you always get great talent out of the second round? No, not usually. Can you, though? Absolutely. Three of the names on the list were drafted by Danny, or at least traded for shortly after their selection. He's a great talent scout and gets a lot of steals. I think most people on the blog wanted Chalmers, and that should have been our pick.

  I thought there were more posts wanting Douglas-Roberts as anyone else. There wasn't anything near a consensus.

You're quite correct. The amount of people wanting Douglas-Roberts was a bit ridiculous. I mean, he did absolutely nothing in a weaker team. I would like to think that Giddens would've done much better if he was in his position.

There were people wanting Chalmers, but the overall consensus was for Douglas-Roberts, and other than 2 or 3 people here, no one made any mention of Luc, which so far looks like the better pick. But we'll see if it holds up in the long run.

I'm a Giddens guy myself, and I hope he gets playing time over Walker simply because I think he's currently the better player and a much better defender. Now, I have no problem if Walker gets the nod... but I hope Doc plays one of the 2 with some consistency.

[Jon]

First, let me preface what I'm about to say with this sentiment: I'd like a backup veteran PG.  It'd be nice for insurance purposes. 

That said, to those of you pining for a veteran backup PG, how in what instances would this vet backup PG actually be of use to the C's? 

As a backup PG?  Perhaps.  But even when we brought in Cassell and Marbury, neither entirely wrestled the backup spot away from House, as Doc would still sometimes play House as the backup PG. 

If Rondo went down?  Perhaps.  But if he goes down for the season, there's no one out there good enough to take his place.  If he goes down for a few games, it's not exactly going to effect the C's playoff chances.  So I wouldn't call that a huge deal.

Overall, two year ago I was furious with Ainge for not obtaining a backup PG going into the season.  However, things have dramatically changed.  Two year ago Rondo was a young, inexperienced kid who we all thought might falter in the big game.  We needed someone we could give the ball to in the 4th if he choked. 

That's not the case anymore.  Come playoff time, Rondo will clearly play 40+ minutes, making his backup not all that important. 

Furthermore, as much as I hate Eddie bringing the ball up the court, I can't deny the fact that the House/Allen/Pierce/Posey/KG lineup was highly effective two years ago and that such a lineup with Sheed replacing Posey would likely be similarly effective, especially if it's only for 8-10 mpg. 

So would I prefer Bobby Jackson over Lester Hudson?  Yeah.  But I'm not going to cry about it if it turns out differently. 

[billysan]

First, let me preface what I'm about to say with this sentiment: I'd like a backup veteran PG.  It'd be nice for insurance purposes. 

That said, to those of you pining for a veteran backup PG, how in what instances would this vet backup PG actually be of use to the C's? 

As a backup PG?  Perhaps.  But even when we brought in Cassell and Marbury, neither entirely wrestled the backup spot away from House, as Doc would still sometimes play House as the backup PG. 

If Rondo went down?  Perhaps.  But if he goes down for the season, there's no one out there good enough to take his place.  If he goes down for a few games, it's not exactly going to effect the C's playoff chances.  So I wouldn't call that a huge deal.

Overall, two year ago I was furious with Ainge for not obtaining a backup PG going into the season.  However, things have dramatically changed.  Two year ago Rondo was a young, inexperienced kid who we all thought might falter in the big game.  We needed someone we could give the ball to in the 4th if he choked. 

That's not the case anymore.  Come playoff time, Rondo will clearly play 40+ minutes, making his backup not all that important. 

Furthermore, as much as I hate Eddie bringing the ball up the court, I can't deny the fact that the House/Allen/Pierce/Posey/KG lineup was highly effective two years ago and that such a lineup with Sheed replacing Posey would likely be similarly effective, especially if it's only for 8-10 mpg. 

So would I prefer Bobby Jackson over Lester Hudson?  Yeah.  But I'm not going to cry about it if it turns out differently. 

I agree with many of your observations. Here are a few of mine:


Eddie House played instead of Marbury and Cassell because he was generally able to create much more offense and was the better defender. The ball handling as you said wasnt an issue with the right player combination on the floor.

I would rather have Lester Hudson than Bobby Jackson. Hudson will be a better defender and able to play both guard positions eventually. Jackson is not going to get up and down well because of his injury history and Hudson is just as good a shooter IMO.


There is a veteran backup PG out there in Steve Blake. I have heard/seen/read several rumors that the Blazers are willing to move him since adding Andre Miller. I think if we are willing to add a future 1st round draft choice to Brian Scalabrine then we own him.

The problem is then, when does he play?  Ahead of Eddie? With Eddie? Neither are desirable scenarios IMO. As long as Eddie House is on this team we will have this problem. The best solution is a young draftee with some upside like Lester Hudson. Any other minimum salary solution at this stage is a 'washed up or never was' guy who will not get it done.


No thanx.

[Who]

There is a veteran backup PG out there in Steve Blake. I have heard/seen/read several rumors that the Blazers are willing to move him since adding Andre Miller. I think if we are willing to add a future 1st round draft choice to Brian Scalabrine then we own him.

I don't believe those rumours. I felt like they started from people on the outside who felt that the Blazers should be willing to move Blake because of the acquisition of Miller ... rather than anything Portland said or did.

I don't think Blake is available. Heck, Nate McMillan said he's leaning towards starting Blake next season because he doesn't want to break up the successful starting lineup + we all know Pritchard loves Blake.

I don't think Blake is available.

[Cman]

sign a backup PG.
I don't care if it is Hudson or a vet -- whomever Danny think can help the Cs more in the short and long term.