So, now that we have Marquis--who's off the 12 man game roster?

[asterix]

Same with Baby, he's hinted this offseason that he has been working on his jumper.  If he proves he can play the 3, it may mean that Doc feels the 3 doesn't need as much depth, which also may open opportunities for Shelden and potentially knock a Giddens or Walker to the IR.

If I had to guess now:

The Starters
Wallace
Daniels
House
Baby
TA
Scal
Williams

Walker
Giddens
Hudson

I know people would like to put Walker ahead of Scal, but let's not forget that Scal played big minutes in the playoffs.  Walker didn't.  I don't see Doc letting Walker beat him out unless he really makes a case for it. 



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Baby can't play the 3 in any siuation. he can play the 4 and a bit of 5 if we really need it. he is way to slow for 3.

[xmuscularghandix]

Giddens and Williams. Walkers gonna be active most nights.

exactly what i was thinking.

Shelden will be sitting becuase we have the best big man unit i've ever seen, and 3/4 of the remaining bigs can play the 4 or 5.

I beleive Walker can step up this year, and the only thing in the way is TA still being on the team.

[SCBirdman]

We know the Starters so here's everyone else.
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Rotation players
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6 Sheed - Primary backup big
7 Daniels - Primary backup wing
8 House - Backup point
9 Baby - 4th big
10 Allen - 4th wing (just because Doc believes in him)
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Backups for our primary backups if there's a blowout
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11 Walker - Daniel's sub (could take Tony's spot in rotation)
12 Scalabine - Sheed's Sub (could lose his spot to Williams)
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Guys who are off the active roster
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13 Williams - (His rebounding could get him Scal's active roster spot)
14 Giddens - Not moving up unless Tony has loses his place on active roster.
15 Hudson - Not getting out of this role unless theirs an injury.

I think that Williams gets a spot over Scal simply because now that we have Rashhed and BBD is back, we have enough bigs that can score from the Perimeter. We need another big body off the bench that can rebound and defend in the post.

As for the wings, I guess you have to keep TA active and try to play him to shop him to other teams. Scal could be a situational active roster player because he is smart and was playing well prior to his concussions.

I really hope to see JR and Billy Walker make a move this pre-season and show they are progressing. I think DA waits until trade deadline for a deal involving Scal and TA for a PG or someone else that fits a need.

[greenwise]

I think that it all depends on training camp and if there is still some transaction to be done this month (FA signing or minor trade with Tony for example). Right now we have a solid and awesome 9 player rotation:

Starters: Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Perkins
2nd unit: House, Daniels, Davis, Wallace


The final 3 spots will depend on what the players can show in training camp. My take? :

- Scalabrine will be there. He can play the 3, 4 and 5 positions and knows the system well.

- Williams will play the role of Leon Powe but with less minutes probably. He will be needed for the exact same role as Leon, defense and rebound.

And then the final spot will be decided between Tony, Giddens and Walker. I don't know what's the situation with Allen, and what the team plans to do with him. With Daniels in town, Allen's role will almost be reduced to nothing.

The season is long, so I guess will need the production of all the players sooner or later

[lon3lytoaster]

I think that it all depends on training camp and if there is still some transaction to be done this month (FA signing or minor trade with Tony for example). Right now we have a solid and awesome 9 player rotation:

Starters: Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Perkins
2nd unit: House, Daniels, Davis, Wallace


The final 3 spots will depend on what the players can show in training camp. My take? :

- Scalabrine will be there. He can play the 3, 4 and 5 positions and knows the system well.

- Williams will play the role of Leon Powe but with less minutes probably. He will be needed for the exact same role as Leon, defense and rebound.

And then the final spot will be decided between Tony, Giddens and Walker. I don't know what's the situation with Allen, and what the team plans to do with him. With Daniels in town, Allen's role will almost be reduced to nothing.

The season is long, so I guess will need the production of all the players sooner or later

Scalabrine can't play the three, he would get torched, and I don't remember who said it but the only reason he played "big" minutes of Walker was because we had zero other options other than to play Scals.

Williams won't be used in the same role as Leon Powe, not now and not ever. He just isn't as good as Leon. Powe's job was to score and rebound, he wasn't a great defender but [dang] he could score... Williams? Not so much. Plus, with the addition of Sheed I doubt Baby gets minutes, never mind a scrub like Sheldon Williams.

[greenwise]

I think that it all depends on training camp and if there is still some transaction to be done this month (FA signing or minor trade with Tony for example). Right now we have a solid and awesome 9 player rotation:

Starters: Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Perkins
2nd unit: House, Daniels, Davis, Wallace


The final 3 spots will depend on what the players can show in training camp. My take? :

- Scalabrine will be there. He can play the 3, 4 and 5 positions and knows the system well.

- Williams will play the role of Leon Powe but with less minutes probably. He will be needed for the exact same role as Leon, defense and rebound.

And then the final spot will be decided between Tony, Giddens and Walker. I don't know what's the situation with Allen, and what the team plans to do with him. With Daniels in town, Allen's role will almost be reduced to nothing.

The season is long, so I guess will need the production of all the players sooner or later

Scalabrine can't play the three, he would get torched, and I don't remember who said it but the only reason he played "big" minutes of Walker was because we had zero other options other than to play Scals.

Williams won't be used in the same role as Leon Powe, not now and not ever. He just isn't as good as Leon. Powe's job was to score and rebound, he wasn't a great defender but [dang] he could score... Williams? Not so much. Plus, with the addition of Sheed I doubt Baby gets minutes, never mind a scrub like Sheldon Williams.

Scal has played the 3 sometimes in Boston when defending big SF's. Having Scal in the active roster allows you to use him in those 3 positions for limited minutes in case of fouls or some particular matchup. Obviously you don't throw Scal to guard Carmelo or Lebron...

Williams can't score as well as Powe of course, but the guy can rebound and play some D. With Davis and Sheed he won't be asked to score but he can be useful for some minutes off the bench. Remember that the season is long, there are the fouls, injuries and other in game situations where a guy like Williams can help.

[celticinorlando]

i think as the season progresses walker will become PP back up while daniels will back up the 1 and 2....i think the team wants to see what walker can do and as soon as he proves it he will become the #2 SF

[lon3lytoaster]

I think that it all depends on training camp and if there is still some transaction to be done this month (FA signing or minor trade with Tony for example). Right now we have a solid and awesome 9 player rotation:

Starters: Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Perkins
2nd unit: House, Daniels, Davis, Wallace


The final 3 spots will depend on what the players can show in training camp. My take? :

- Scalabrine will be there. He can play the 3, 4 and 5 positions and knows the system well.

- Williams will play the role of Leon Powe but with less minutes probably. He will be needed for the exact same role as Leon, defense and rebound.

And then the final spot will be decided between Tony, Giddens and Walker. I don't know what's the situation with Allen, and what the team plans to do with him. With Daniels in town, Allen's role will almost be reduced to nothing.

The season is long, so I guess will need the production of all the players sooner or later

Scalabrine can't play the three, he would get torched, and I don't remember who said it but the only reason he played "big" minutes of Walker was because we had zero other options other than to play Scals.

Williams won't be used in the same role as Leon Powe, not now and not ever. He just isn't as good as Leon. Powe's job was to score and rebound, he wasn't a great defender but [dang] he could score... Williams? Not so much. Plus, with the addition of Sheed I doubt Baby gets minutes, never mind a scrub like Sheldon Williams.

Scal has played the 3 sometimes in Boston when defending big SF's. Having Scal in the active roster allows you to use him in those 3 positions for limited minutes in case of fouls or some particular matchup. Obviously you don't throw Scal to guard Carmelo or Lebron...

Williams can't score as well as Powe of course, but the guy can rebound and play some D. With Davis and Sheed he won't be asked to score but he can be useful for some minutes off the bench. Remember that the season is long, there are the fouls, injuries and other in game situations where a guy like Williams can help.

When has Scalabrine played the small forward? He's played center and power forward, but I can't think of even one time he got minutes at the three. We have him to shoot threes, and that's it. We're talking about a career 39.0% FG player here. We have Rasheed now, Scalabrine won't get any run

Now if there isn't any time for Scalabrine, I don't see how Williams is going to even see the floor this season unless we have major injuries. As it stands now, we have four more than capable bigs and if one does happen to get injured we have those three other players that can play center or forward.

[mgent]

Scal's gonna grab the 10th man spot, he has the most experience and is the most consistent.  Probably won't see many minutes with Rasheed and Davis on the bench.  I'd rather have him on big 3s than Walker (or Daniels if he can't handle him).
11. Tony - pretty much has an equal chance at moving up or down.

12. Walker - i doubt he'll get minutes over Tony and Scal, but he has a chance to move up.
13. Giddens - unless Doc thinks he's improved more than Walker (unlikely considering his minutes last year and the jam at SG)
14. Williams - 6th big isn't gonna see minutes over Scal, hopefully only here for insurance.  Rebounding doesn't mean anything (you think Doc's gonna play Davis and Williams, and sit out Scal, Rasheed, Perk, and KG?)
15. If it's Hudson this is where he'll be.

And House is NOT a PG.  For the record.

[Edgar]

And House is NOT a PG.  For the record.

thanks

even if I disagree about Scal

after 5 missed 3s hes done

[slamtheking]

Having read the above feedback, I'm still not seeing anyone making the case for Walker not sitting in street clothes.  I'd like to see TA and Scal moved but until that time, no way Doc sits them in favor of Walker or Giddens.  TA/Scal could actually see minutes if dressed for the game whereas neither Walker nor Giddens will (unless both Ray and PP suffer crippling injuries for the rest of a game).

I don't see Williams sitting unless the sign a vet PG instead of Hudson.

[Bankshot]

Rondo/House
Allen/Daniels/Giddens
Pierce/Walker
Garnett/Davis/Williams
Perkins/Wallace

Inactive TA, Scal, Hudson

I would be very disappointed if Walker is the primary backup for PP.  He has shown nothing so far.

[nickagneta]

Players in their first two years of experience can be sent to the D-League for seasoning. Now that the Celtics have a D-League affiliate that will run their stuff, it makes sense for the Celtics to utilize that strength for their younger players when they are loaded with veteran talent. And they are.

We can make judgments about how much better Walker and Giddens and Hudson are than certain other vets on this team but, simply put, Doc won't see them as useful players over those vets unless they are fairly mistake prone clearly much better in the basics than those players. Giddens, Walker and Hudson will be prone to tons of mistakes and their basic professional basketball skills are not beyond those of others on the team.

For that reason expect Hudson, Giddens and Walker starting in Portland at the PG, SG, and SF position for the Red Claws, or whatever their name is, and getting 30 minutes a night of running a Boston style offense and defense. The playing time in the system will be much better for them than sitting around watching a lot, never playing and barely ever practicing.

[ManUp]

Having read the above feedback, I'm still not seeing anyone making the case for Walker not sitting in street clothes.  I'd like to see TA and Scal moved but until that time, no way Doc sits them in favor of Walker or Giddens.  TA/Scal could actually see minutes if dressed for the game whereas neither Walker nor Giddens will (unless both Ray and PP suffer crippling injuries for the rest of a game).

I don't see Williams sitting unless the sign a vet PG instead of Hudson.

Assuming Hudson signs hes almost guaranteed to be in street clothes. We have 4 Bigmen on the active roster we don't need both Scal and Williams to make it 6, so it's either or. Williams most likely sit because of Scal's "percieved" versatility.  We have 4 shooting guards on the active roster (including House) and only one small forward. Walker beats out Giddens because to this point Doc prefers him as a player, and he fills a position of need. So this means Giddens, Williams, and Hudson are in street clothes.

Walker being dressed doesn't mean he'll get rotation minutes he'll just be available when the blowouts come . When we sit Daniel during a blowout Walker comes in to play alongside TA, and Scal plays comes in for Sheed. Our Garbage time lineup will be House, Allen, Walker, Scalabrine, and Davis.

[lon3lytoaster]

Having read the above feedback, I'm still not seeing anyone making the case for Walker not sitting in street clothes.  I'd like to see TA and Scal moved but until that time, no way Doc sits them in favor of Walker or Giddens.  TA/Scal could actually see minutes if dressed for the game whereas neither Walker nor Giddens will (unless both Ray and PP suffer crippling injuries for the rest of a game).

I don't see Williams sitting unless the sign a vet PG instead of Hudson.

It's as simple as this; Bill Walker is really the closest thing we have to a real back up small forward for Pierce. You could argue Daniels, sure but he's a skinny guy who's bound to get beat up a lot at that position. Yes, Walker is a little short for the three, but he's built like a tank. A tank with springs and hydrolics in the treads.

Obviously he has a lot of flaws and he's a young, inexperienced player but at this point in time he has more value than Tony, and it's hard to argue that if Bill was getting similar minutes he wouldn't be doing similar things out there.