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Re: Scott Kazmir Traded
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2009, 12:05:44 PM »

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He is young, but his contract, his poor performance this year, and his injuries are valid reasons to move him when you're a team on such a shoe string budget.

Re: Scott Kazmir Traded
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2009, 12:10:54 PM »

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He is young, but his contract, his poor performance this year, and his injuries are valid reasons to move him when you're a team on such a shoe string budget.

10 mill a year isnt awful for a pitcher...in his last 3 starts, 7 runs in 19 2/3 innings for a 3.15 ERA. 

Yes he has been inconsistent this year (and injured) but it's hard to justify.  plus, if he stays healthy the rest of the way, they could trade him for a stud (prospect(s)) in the offseason.

Re: Scott Kazmir Traded
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2009, 01:51:33 PM »

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thanks, cdif911

makes perfect sense now :)

Re: Scott Kazmir Traded
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2009, 01:59:51 PM »

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He is young, but his contract, his poor performance this year, and his injuries are valid reasons to move him when you're a team on such a shoe string budget.

10 mill a year isnt awful for a pitcher...in his last 3 starts, 7 runs in 19 2/3 innings for a 3.15 ERA. 

Yes he has been inconsistent this year (and injured) but it's hard to justify.  plus, if he stays healthy the rest of the way, they could trade him for a stud (prospect(s)) in the offseason.
His ERA for the whole year is in the 5s right?

I prefer a large sample size to a small one when I'm making my decision about players, especially pitchers.

Re: Scott Kazmir Traded
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2009, 02:39:47 PM »

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He is young, but his contract, his poor performance this year, and his injuries are valid reasons to move him when you're a team on such a shoe string budget.

10 mill a year isnt awful for a pitcher...in his last 3 starts, 7 runs in 19 2/3 innings for a 3.15 ERA. 

Yes he has been inconsistent this year (and injured) but it's hard to justify.  plus, if he stays healthy the rest of the way, they could trade him for a stud (prospect(s)) in the offseason.
His ERA for the whole year is in the 5s right?

I prefer a large sample size to a small one when I'm making my decision about players, especially pitchers.

ok, so if you prefer a large sample size, how about looking at one.  Rather then the 20 games this year, why not include last year, or the year before, or how about his career? I am glad you made the point, because looking at a real sample size, you quickly see that this year if anything is an outlier.

as a 21 year old, in the best division in baseball, his ERA was 3.77 with 174 k's.  as a 22 year old, in the best division in baseball, his era was 3.24 with 163 k's.  as a 23 year old, in the best division in baseball, his era was 3.48 with 239 k's.  As a 24 year old, in the best division in baseball, his era was 3.49 with 166k's. 

See a pattern?  ERA in the mid 3's with a lot of k's.  now there is this year.  do you think as a 25 year old he forgot how to pitch or do you think injury may play a role? 

bottom line is you dont trade 25 year old, left handed pitchers who strike guys out at the rate he does based on a bad season (or half of one). 


Re: Scott Kazmir Traded
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2009, 03:32:38 PM »

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He is young, but his contract, his poor performance this year, and his injuries are valid reasons to move him when you're a team on such a shoe string budget.

10 mill a year isnt awful for a pitcher...in his last 3 starts, 7 runs in 19 2/3 innings for a 3.15 ERA. 

Yes he has been inconsistent this year (and injured) but it's hard to justify.  plus, if he stays healthy the rest of the way, they could trade him for a stud (prospect(s)) in the offseason.
His ERA for the whole year is in the 5s right?

I prefer a large sample size to a small one when I'm making my decision about players, especially pitchers.

ok, so if you prefer a large sample size, how about looking at one.  Rather then the 20 games this year, why not include last year, or the year before, or how about his career? I am glad you made the point, because looking at a real sample size, you quickly see that this year if anything is an outlier.

as a 21 year old, in the best division in baseball, his ERA was 3.77 with 174 k's.  as a 22 year old, in the best division in baseball, his era was 3.24 with 163 k's.  as a 23 year old, in the best division in baseball, his era was 3.48 with 239 k's.  As a 24 year old, in the best division in baseball, his era was 3.49 with 166k's. 

See a pattern?  ERA in the mid 3's with a lot of k's.  now there is this year.  do you think as a 25 year old he forgot how to pitch or do you think injury may play a role? 

bottom line is you dont trade 25 year old, left handed pitchers who strike guys out at the rate he does based on a bad season (or half of one). 
Your bottom line assumes he won't continue to have injury issues. That's a big if, how many pitchers start getting hurt and then are never the same?

You absolutely trade 25 year old valuable pitchers if you're the Rays. They don't have the payroll to retain him. If they're worried about his injuries hurting his value and performance going forward now could be the perfect time to sell. Payroll management is a fact of life in baseball.

Re: Scott Kazmir Traded
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2009, 10:32:11 PM »

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Comparing him to Dice-K, this seems like such a blunder by the Rays.

The Rays were still in contention for a post season berth.
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Re: Scott Kazmir Traded
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2009, 08:09:10 PM »

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Your bottom line assumes he won't continue to have injury issues. That's a big if, how many pitchers start getting hurt and then are never the same?

You absolutely trade 25 year old valuable pitchers if you're the Rays. They don't have the payroll to retain him. If they're worried about his injuries hurting his value and performance going forward now could be the perfect time to sell. Payroll management is a fact of life in baseball.

I still dont agree that they should have traded him.  his value is lower now than at any point of his career.  I dont think you move that. 

But, the PTBNL appears to be Sean Rodriguez, who has serious power.  24 years old, SS/2B who hit 29 homeruns and batted .301 in AAA.  He is much more of a player then the other 2 players they got

Re: Scott Kazmir Traded
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2009, 11:56:13 AM »

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I agree I'd hate it if I was a Rays fan.

But from the outside I can appreciate that by moving him they gain a lot of freedom in their budget for the next two years.

Re: Scott Kazmir Traded
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2009, 08:26:14 PM »

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Kazmir's debut so far against the Mariners...6 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 8 K, 0 BB