CelticsBlog has lost its way.

[Chris]

BTW this thread is mucho entertaining.

And Roy - you may want to lower your claim that "99.9%" of the membership does not find a good amount of moderator posts arrogant and condescending.  I'm not instigating or calling anyone out in particular, but I would modestly lower that estimate a good deal for accuracy...

You know, if all these people felt so strongly about this stuff, and really felt it was ruining the blog, I wonder why they couldn't just shoot me a PM, or wd, or Redz or anyone..and just say "I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but you're acting like a tool". I'm a big boy. I wear big boy pants, I can take this stuff. We can all take this stuff.

I was about to say the same thing.  I really don't like all this general calling out of the staff, because it really doesn't help us very much.  I would much prefer that those of you who had problems with some of us contacted us, or a staff member you may respect directly, and give us the feedback.  I guarantee you none of us mean to come off as jerks, but I also understand that it happens sometimes, and it can be very tough to know how you are coming off to other people if they don't tell you.

So please, and I am being completely serious here, those of you who do have problems with specific members of the staff.  Tell us.  I for one would love to know if I am ever stepping out of line, because that is never my intention, and I would like to correct it if it is a problem.

[dark_lord]

BTW this thread is mucho entertaining.

And Roy - you may want to lower your claim that "99.9%" of the membership does not find a good amount of moderator posts arrogant and condescending.  I'm not instigating or calling anyone out in particular, but I would modestly lower that estimate a good deal for accuracy...

You know, if all these people felt so strongly about this stuff, and really felt it was ruining the blog, I wonder why they couldn't just shoot me a PM, or wd, or Redz or anyone..and just say "I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but you're acting like a tool". I'm a big boy. I wear big boy pants, I can take this stuff. We can all take this stuff.

But instead we have grand gestures, hand wringing..instead of actual progress, and adult interactions..we get a show, we got public potshots, and we get ultimately blind-sided. Dark_Lord, a poster who i respect very much, a guy who I would never hesitate to 'reach across the aisle' to talk to if I had a concern, said there was a divide. Well, its not a one way street, although i wasn't even really aware there WAS a street until a couple of days ago.

i appreciate ur feeling comfortable reaching out to me.  and for the record, i did try and do that very thing via pm with a mod.  i think it is best to do it thru pm's, but if the thread is already out there, i think it could beneficial to air things out once in a while like this....as long as it is done respectfully from both sides. that way both sides are heard. i think threads like these often lead to pm discussions where it can be even more beneficial for the parties involved.

again, im somewhat out of the loop with some of the issues going on, but i can say i have noticed a difference as a late.  but i dont feel the need to break it down more than i already have in this thread, especially since i was able to discuss my thoughts, feelings, and observations via pm with mods.

[Roy Hobbs]

BTW this thread is mucho entertaining.

And Roy - you may want to lower your claim that "99.9%" of the membership does not find a good amount of moderator posts arrogant and condescending.  I'm not instigating or calling anyone out in particular, but I would modestly lower that estimate a good deal for accuracy...

You know, if all these people felt so strongly about this stuff, and really felt it was ruining the blog, I wonder why they couldn't just shoot me a PM, or wd, or Redz or anyone..and just say "I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but you're acting like a tool". I'm a big boy. I wear big boy pants, I can take this stuff. We can all take this stuff.

But instead we have grand gestures, hand wringing..instead of actual progress, and adult interactions..we get a show, we got public potshots, and we get ultimately blind-sided. Dark_Lord, a poster who i respect very much, a guy who I would never hesitate to 'reach across the aisle' to talk to if I had a concern, said there was a divide. Well, its not a one way street, although i wasn't even really aware there WAS a street until a couple of days ago.

i appreciate ur feeling comfortable reaching out to me.  and for the record, i did try and do that very thing via pm with a mod.  i think it is best to do it thru pm's, but if the thread is already out there, i think it could beneficial to air things out once in a while like this....as long as it is done respectfully from both sides. that way both sides are heard. i think threads like these often lead to pm discussions where it can be even more beneficial for the parties involved.

again, im somewhat out of the loop with some of the issues going on, but i can say i have noticed a difference as a late.  but i dont feel the need to break it down more than i already have in this thread, especially since i was able to discuss my thoughts, feelings, and observations via pm with mods.

While I understand your position, dark_lord, I don't think this thread has generated one direct and specific criticism, shared either publicly or by PM.

Instead, we get stuff like: "The vibe has changed"; "You've forgotten your roots"; "The staff is condescending".  If people could point us to examples -- preferably when they're happening -- I think that would work better than a vague, after the fact "I'm leaving the blog because it's become so terrible" thread.

Also, some of the insinuations made about the staff have not only been not true, but have been a bit mean-spirited.  I can say that for me, on a personal level, that's disappointing.

[dark_lord]

I was about to say the same thing.  I really don't like all this general calling out of the staff, because it really doesn't help us very much.  I would much prefer that those of you who had problems with some of us contacted us, or a staff member you may respect directly, and give us the feedback. 

i disagree, as long as it is done respectfully.  i think having a forum like this can bring positive outcomes for all parties involved.

as i have previously stated, i know i have personally pm'd mods.  some respond better than others, but over time i have realized which mod i can pm and which i cant.  

[dark_lord]

BTW this thread is mucho entertaining.

And Roy - you may want to lower your claim that "99.9%" of the membership does not find a good amount of moderator posts arrogant and condescending.  I'm not instigating or calling anyone out in particular, but I would modestly lower that estimate a good deal for accuracy...

You know, if all these people felt so strongly about this stuff, and really felt it was ruining the blog, I wonder why they couldn't just shoot me a PM, or wd, or Redz or anyone..and just say "I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but you're acting like a tool". I'm a big boy. I wear big boy pants, I can take this stuff. We can all take this stuff.

But instead we have grand gestures, hand wringing..instead of actual progress, and adult interactions..we get a show, we got public potshots, and we get ultimately blind-sided. Dark_Lord, a poster who i respect very much, a guy who I would never hesitate to 'reach across the aisle' to talk to if I had a concern, said there was a divide. Well, its not a one way street, although i wasn't even really aware there WAS a street until a couple of days ago.

i appreciate ur feeling comfortable reaching out to me.  and for the record, i did try and do that very thing via pm with a mod.  i think it is best to do it thru pm's, but if the thread is already out there, i think it could beneficial to air things out once in a while like this....as long as it is done respectfully from both sides. that way both sides are heard. i think threads like these often lead to pm discussions where it can be even more beneficial for the parties involved.

again, im somewhat out of the loop with some of the issues going on, but i can say i have noticed a difference as a late.  but i dont feel the need to break it down more than i already have in this thread, especially since i was able to discuss my thoughts, feelings, and observations via pm with mods.

While I understand your position, dark_lord, I don't think this thread has generated one direct and specific criticism, shared either publicly or by PM.

Instead, we get stuff like: "The vibe has changed"; "You've forgotten your roots"; "The staff is condescending".  If people could point us to examples -- preferably when they're happening -- I think that would work better than a vague, after the fact "I'm leaving the blog because it's become so terrible" thread.

Also, some of the insinuations made about the staff have not only been not true, but have been a bit mean-spirited.  I can say that for me, on a personal level, that's disappointing.

see, thats the catch 22 of it.....you cant personalize in the thread.  thats why i think it is good to throw out some concern and observations (general in nature), then follow up with specifics via pm's.

[Chris]

I was about to say the same thing.  I really don't like all this general calling out of the staff, because it really doesn't help us very much.  I would much prefer that those of you who had problems with some of us contacted us, or a staff member you may respect directly, and give us the feedback. 

i disagree, as long as it is done respectfully.  i think having a forum like this can bring positive outcomes for all parties involved.

as i have previously stated, i know i have personally pm'd mods.  some respond better than others, but over time i have realized which mod i can pm and which i cant.  

I think you missed my point.  I was just trying to say that if there are issues with specific mods behavior in the forums, the best way to fix it would be to talk with them or another mod specifically about that person.

Because I can tell you, I am reading this thread saying "who are they talking about"?  

We need direct feedback to know what we are doing wrong.

[Roy Hobbs]

While I understand your position, dark_lord, I don't think this thread has generated one direct and specific criticism, shared either publicly or by PM.

Instead, we get stuff like: "The vibe has changed"; "You've forgotten your roots"; "The staff is condescending".  If people could point us to examples -- preferably when they're happening -- I think that would work better than a vague, after the fact "I'm leaving the blog because it's become so terrible" thread.

Also, some of the insinuations made about the staff have not only been not true, but have been a bit mean-spirited.  I can say that for me, on a personal level, that's disappointing.

see, thats the catch 22 of it.....you cant personalize in the thread.  thats why i think it is good to throw out some concern and observations (general in nature), then follow up with specifics via pm's.

We encourage that.  As I'm sure you can vouch for, dark_lord, the staff is pretty responsive to PMs, and tends not to be overly heavy-handed when an issue is brought to our attention.  We're just a bunch of regular guys who tend to be pretty reasonable, I think.

So, absolutely, send us PMs, or emails (roy@celticsblog.com).  We'd love to hear the feedback.

[indeedproceed]

I was about to say the same thing.  I really don't like all this general calling out of the staff, because it really doesn't help us very much.  I would much prefer that those of you who had problems with some of us contacted us, or a staff member you may respect directly, and give us the feedback. 

i disagree, as long as it is done respectfully.  i think having a forum like this can bring positive outcomes for all parties involved.

as i have previously stated, i know i have personally pm'd mods.  some respond better than others, but over time i have realized which mod i can pm and which i cant.  

I think you missed my point.  I was just trying to say that if there are issues with specific mods behavior in the forums, the best way to fix it would be to talk with them or another mod specifically about that person.

Because I can tell you, I am reading this thread saying "who are they talking about"?  

We need direct feedback to know what we are doing wrong.

Ditto. If someone wants me, chris (its chris, right? I knew it.), wd, roy, whoever to take a 'good hard look at ourselves'..well I've got like 10,000 posts. Where do i start looking? I'm not asking for concrete evidence, or people's submission A, just a heads up on where to start.

[Celtic]

If Celticsblog were a DVD, this thread would be the behind the scenes special feature.

[Roy Hobbs]

If Celticsblog were a DVD, this thread would be the behind the scenes special feature.

We should start charging you guys 25.95 to access the site, then.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I was about to say the same thing.  I really don't like all this general calling out of the staff, because it really doesn't help us very much.  I would much prefer that those of you who had problems with some of us contacted us, or a staff member you may respect directly, and give us the feedback. 

i disagree, as long as it is done respectfully.  i think having a forum like this can bring positive outcomes for all parties involved.

as i have previously stated, i know i have personally pm'd mods.  some respond better than others, but over time i have realized which mod i can pm and which i cant.  

Because I can tell you, I am reading this thread saying "who are they talking about"?  

I was working under the assumption that we were talking about you, Chris.

[angryguy77]

Two words: Cage Match.

I can see it now, the first ever Celtics Blog PPV. Jeff "The Brain" and Roy "The Executioner" vs the Disenfranchised with special ref Edgar. Chris can paint his face, hide in the rafters and drop in to give chair shots. The editors, authors and mods could form a faction called the N.B.O(New Blog Order).

[cdif911]

I'm going to throw this out there:

I feel like I've been talking to myself a lot lately on here, not sure if it's b/c of people who are lurking and/or left and waiting for the regular season or what, but I've had a ton of posts either unanswered or ignored. Maybe it's the quality of my writing, but it seems like there is less activity and less actual reading of what others are writing going on here...

anyone else feeling this?

[wdleehi]

I'm going to throw this out there:

I feel like I've been talking to myself a lot lately on here, not sure if it's b/c of people who are lurking and/or left and waiting for the regular season or what, but I've had a ton of posts either unanswered or ignored. Maybe it's the quality of my writing, but it seems like there is less activity and less actual reading of what others are writing going on here...

anyone else feeling this?

It is the offseason lull. 

[cdif911]

I sure hope so, but still it seems like there's definitely people here and they just kind of post whatever, then I may respond, then nothing, or they go on to a different thought.  It seems like instead of conversations, there's a whole lot of people spewing out their thoughts and not listening to others.  (that and the best thread in a while that actually sparked conversation got locked, but that's another story)