So I started this new diet.....

[JSD]

Here it is
http://msync.org/health/GeneralMotorsDiet.html

Its called the "Gm Diet", although GM has offically renouced any affiliation ever with it.

Basically it breaks down to this.


Day One

All fruits except bananas. Your first day will consists of all fruits you want. It is suggested you consume lots of watermelon and cantaloupe.

Day Two

All vegetables. You are encouraged to eat until you are stuffed with all the new and cooked vegetables of your choice. There is no limit on the account or type. Avoid oil and coconut while cooking vegetables. Have large boiled/baked potato for breakfast.

Day Three

Any mixture of fruits and vegetables of your choice. Any amount, any quantity. No bananas yet and no potatoes today.

Day Four

Bananas and milk. Today you will eat as many as eight bananas and drink three glasses of milk. You can also have one bowl of vegetables soup.

Day Five

Today is a feast day. You will eat 1 (one) cup of rice. You also have to eat 6 (six) whole tomatoes and drink 12 (twelve) glasses of water today to cleanse your system of the excess uric acid you will be producing.

Day Six

Today is another all vegetables day. You must eat 1 cup of rice today and eat all the vegetables you want cooked and uncooked to your heart's content.

Day Seven

Today your food intake will consist of 1 cup rice, fruit juice and all the vegetables you care to consume. Tomorrow morning you will be five to eight kilograms lighter than 1 week ago. If you desire further weight loss, repeat the program again. Repeat the program as often as you like, however, it is suggested that you rest for three days before every repetition.

So I did one week on it. I lost 11 pounds. I took a week off (it is hard), and now I'm doing it again.

I don't know however how much more raw celery, carrots, or canatlope I can eat. And the Wonder Soup? I wonder if I'm going to vomit the next time I eat it.

I also need to drink 2 glasses of wine per night after the first week for digestion.

I need help with recipes, and types of nutritionally viable but tasty wine, ideas?

On this diet you lost 11 pounds. 7 pounds of muscle and 4 pounds of fat.

How do you figure that?

The severe lack of protein in this diet. Big post coming (i was able to copy and paste before I previewed and lost everything... go me)

[MrTripleDouble10]

Here it is
http://msync.org/health/GeneralMotorsDiet.html

Its called the "Gm Diet", although GM has offically renouced any affiliation ever with it.

Basically it breaks down to this.


Day One

All fruits except bananas. Your first day will consists of all fruits you want. It is suggested you consume lots of watermelon and cantaloupe.

Day Two

All vegetables. You are encouraged to eat until you are stuffed with all the new and cooked vegetables of your choice. There is no limit on the account or type. Avoid oil and coconut while cooking vegetables. Have large boiled/baked potato for breakfast.

Day Three

Any mixture of fruits and vegetables of your choice. Any amount, any quantity. No bananas yet and no potatoes today.

Day Four

Bananas and milk. Today you will eat as many as eight bananas and drink three glasses of milk. You can also have one bowl of vegetables soup.

Day Five

Today is a feast day. You will eat 1 (one) cup of rice. You also have to eat 6 (six) whole tomatoes and drink 12 (twelve) glasses of water today to cleanse your system of the excess uric acid you will be producing.

Day Six

Today is another all vegetables day. You must eat 1 cup of rice today and eat all the vegetables you want cooked and uncooked to your heart's content.

Day Seven

Today your food intake will consist of 1 cup rice, fruit juice and all the vegetables you care to consume. Tomorrow morning you will be five to eight kilograms lighter than 1 week ago. If you desire further weight loss, repeat the program again. Repeat the program as often as you like, however, it is suggested that you rest for three days before every repetition.

So I did one week on it. I lost 11 pounds. I took a week off (it is hard), and now I'm doing it again.

I don't know however how much more raw celery, carrots, or canatlope I can eat. And the Wonder Soup? I wonder if I'm going to vomit the next time I eat it.

I also need to drink 2 glasses of wine per night after the first week for digestion.

I need help with recipes, and types of nutritionally viable but tasty wine, ideas?

Madness.  I love all the fad diets, books, programs, etc. that fool people year in and year out and rob them of their hard earned money.  Want to lose weight and maintain it forever?  Eat 6 small meals per day, every 3 hours (this is the most difficult part, to find out how many calories consists of everyone's 'small meal').  Drink water all day everyday as essentially the ONLY liquid.  Every other liquid is useless, wasted, empty calories.

Exercise is a MUST.  At least 4-5 days per week consisting of resistance training AND cardio.

Eating the right food is huge.  This is the problem I think people have the most issue with.  You need lots of complex carbs (oatmeal, sweet potatoes, regular potatoes, brown rice whole grains, tons of vegetables), lots of protein (chicken, tuna, lean turkey, egg whites) good fats (avacados, grilled salmon, omega 3, 6, 9 flaxseed).


All of these fad diets are a joke.

[JSD]

As someone who is in the gym everyday and understands nutrition I will tell you that a solid ratio of protein, complex carbs and non-saturated fat is extremely important to maintaining muscle mass and losing fat. I'd recommend a 40/40/20 (p/cc/f) ratio while building muscle 50/35/15

so long as your not morbidly obese, now is not the time to diet. Enjoy the rest of you summer and consume. After Labor day limit yourself to 10-12 alcoholic drinks a week and stay away from sugar, anything white (pasta, bread), and fryed food. Instead eat as much chicken, tuna and wheat (anything pasta, bread, bagels) as possible.  Calculate how many calories it takes to maintain your weight and eat more (http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm#) Understand something, it's impossible to gain muscle without gaining weight and impossible to gain muscle while dieting. Now, obviously go to the gym while doing this 4 to 5 times a week. Hit Legs (quads, calfs and hamstings) on day 1 and follow that with the muscle you most want to grow. For me it's

Day 1 - Legs
Day 2 - Arms
Day 3 - Shoulders(abs too)
Day 4 - Chest (abs too)
Day 5 - Back (abs too)

Also, for every drink you are planning to consume on the weekend jog/run to burn off 100 calories. so 10 drinks = 1000 cal.

Day 1 - Legs
Day 2 - Arms
Day 3 - Shoulders(abs too) 333 cal. run
Day 4 - Chest (abs too) 333 cal. run
Day 5 - Back (abs too) 334 cal. run

Drink more = run more but try not to go over 12 a week (drinking is draining)

Let loose and have fun with friends on new years and then be prepared to stop drinking and diet come January 2nd and until memorial day (22 weeks or longer if you want). Again weigh in (hopefully you weigh more) and calculate your maintenance (http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm#). But this time eat less (knowing 3500 calories = 1 pound.)  if your maintenance is 3000 calories a day and you eat 2500, that's 500 x 7 days in a week = 3500) meaning you lose 1 pound every week. don't lose more than 1.5 - 2.0 pounds a week or your losing muscle.

Diet to lose fat not muscle.

[Gemini]

I have done the GM diet twice in the past and it def. works.

[indeedproceed]

As someone who is in the gym everyday and understands nutrition I will tell you that a solid ratio of protein, complex carbs and non-saturated fat is extremely important to maintaining muscle mass and losing fat. I'd recommend a 40/40/20 (p/cc/f) ratio while building muscle 50/35/15

so long as your not morbidly obese, now is not the time to diet. Enjoy the rest of you summer and consume. After Labor day limit yourself to 10-12 alcoholic drinks a week and stay away from sugar, anything white (pasta, bread), and fryed food. Instead eat as much chicken, tuna and wheat (anything pasta, bread, bagels) as possible.  Calculate how many calories it takes to maintain your weight and eat more (http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm#) Understand something, it's impossible to gain muscle without gaining weight and impossible to gain muscle while dieting. Now, obviously go to the gym while doing this 4 to 5 times a week. Hit Legs (quads, calfs and hamstings) on day 1 and follow that with the muscle you most want to grow. For me it's

Day 1 - Legs
Day 2 - Arms
Day 3 - Shoulders(abs too)
Day 4 - Chest (abs too)
Day 5 - Back (abs too)

Also, for every drink you are planning to consume on the weekend jog/run to burn off 100 calories. so 10 drinks = 1000 cal.

Day 1 - Legs
Day 2 - Arms
Day 3 - Shoulders(abs too) 333 cal. run
Day 4 - Chest (abs too) 333 cal. run
Day 5 - Back (abs too) 334 cal. run

Drink more = run more but try not to go over 12 a week (drinking is draining)

Let loose and have fun with friends on new years and then be prepared to stop drinking and diet come January 2nd and until memorial day (22 weeks or longer if you want). Again weigh in (hopefully you weigh more) and calculate your maintenance (http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm#). But this time eat less (knowing 3500 calories = 1 pound.)  if your maintenance is 3000 calories a day and you eat 2500, that's 500 x 7 days in a week = 3500) meaning you lose 1 pound every week. don't lose more than 1.5 - 2.0 pounds a week or your losing muscle.

Diet to lose fat not muscle.

I understand a fair amount of human physiology, and some of what you're saying is right, some is not, according to my understanding on how the body works.

I understand that to maximize muscle gain you need to eat more, but its not impossible to build muscle while losing fat or dieting. Look at the diet..its full of good fiber, simple sugars, then two heavy servings of beef.

my muscle regimen isn't as demanding as yours, but I still hit the weights 3 days a week, and I haven't seen any difference.

Right now as it stands, I'm way too fat. My goal is to get to my target weight, then start in replacing the remaining fat with muscle.

[JSD]

I understand a fair amount of human physiology, and some of what you're saying is right, some is not, according to my understanding on how the body works.

Ok, what is not? These diets are fads and not healthy.

my muscle regimen isn't as demanding as yours, but I still hit the weights 3 days a week, and I haven't seen any difference.

Well, you should notice an increase in strength.

Right now as it stands, I'm way too fat. My goal is to get to my target weight, then start in replacing the remaining fat with muscle.

That's too bad. You'll be wasting a lot of time.

[jdpapa3]

I just realized that I went through 2 hot pockets while reading this thread...ironic.

[MrTripleDouble10]

I understand a fair amount of human physiology, and some of what you're saying is right, some is not, according to my understanding on how the body works.

Ok, what is not? These diets are fads and not healthy.

my muscle regimen isn't as demanding as yours, but I still hit the weights 3 days a week, and I haven't seen any difference.

Well, you should notice an increase in strength.

Right now as it stands, I'm way too fat. My goal is to get to my target weight, then start in replacing the remaining fat with muscle.

That's too bad. You'll be wasting a lot of time.

Well said Jsaad.

[JSD]

MrTripleDouble10, thanks.


IP, I hope you understand I'm not recommending alcohol consumption. BOOZ is terrible for you period. I just know you don't mind to kick back with a few drinks (like most of us), and that's why I included it. Also, the summer = BBQ and pools and it's not the best time to diet. Memorial to Labor day is all about maintenance or slow gain to me. Hell, we need to live a little right? It's all about moderation.

[RAcker]

I was hoping this wasn't a thread abuot the Big Papi diet.   

[JSD]

I'm still finishing up my upcoming "bulk" diet but I'll post it shortly.

[cdif911]

I just realized that I went through 2 hot pockets while reading this thread...ironic.

I had one, but its a lean pocket, yummm

[indeedproceed]

I just realized that I went through 2 hot pockets while reading this thread...ironic.

call me jealous.

I understand a fair amount of human physiology, and some of what you're saying is right, some is not, according to my understanding on how the body works.

Ok, what is not? These diets are fads and not healthy.

Maybe its a fad but its pretty well known. If someone told me it was healthy I would tell them they're a liar. Its like one big colonoscopy. For instance I'm eating lunch right now. Its raw cucumbers doused with balamic vinegar and sprinkled with a (small, I swear) pinch of salt. In 45 mins I will eat raw carrots or celery.

One big thing all these foods have in common is that they are all extremely high in fiber and water. What they are not is a viable source of glucose. So your stomach tells your body its full, but there is no source of incoming ATP. So, first you will glean what you can from the vegatables (or in the case of fruits, use up all the immediate sugars), then you move on. What's next? Fat cells.

Some of the things that are not right is that you need a surplus of protien to gain muscles. Everybody needs protien, but just because I'm not eating two servings of it a day does not mean that when I work out I'm metabolizing muscle cells (which is what you're talking about when you say I "loose muscle mass". I may not be gaining it as efficiently as you are, but I'm not shedding strength with the weight.

my muscle regimen isn't as demanding as yours, but I still hit the weights 3 days a week, and I haven't seen any difference.

Well, you should notice an increase in strength.

That's what I'm saying. I'm hitting my marks. Sure, its the same system my high school track coach gave me, but I'm hitting my marks.

Right now as it stands, I'm way too fat. My goal is to get to my target weight, then start in replacing the remaining fat with muscle.

That's too bad. You'll be wasting a lot of time.

I know. That part you're right on. It took me 3 years to get this fat and lazy, its not going to change over night.

[EJPLAYA]

Here it is
http://msync.org/health/GeneralMotorsDiet.html

Its called the "Gm Diet", although GM has offically renouced any affiliation ever with it.

Basically it breaks down to this.


Day One

All fruits except bananas. Your first day will consists of all fruits you want. It is suggested you consume lots of watermelon and cantaloupe.

Day Two

All vegetables. You are encouraged to eat until you are stuffed with all the new and cooked vegetables of your choice. There is no limit on the account or type. Avoid oil and coconut while cooking vegetables. Have large boiled/baked potato for breakfast.

Day Three

Any mixture of fruits and vegetables of your choice. Any amount, any quantity. No bananas yet and no potatoes today.

Day Four

Bananas and milk. Today you will eat as many as eight bananas and drink three glasses of milk. You can also have one bowl of vegetables soup.

Day Five

Today is a feast day. You will eat 1 (one) cup of rice. You also have to eat 6 (six) whole tomatoes and drink 12 (twelve) glasses of water today to cleanse your system of the excess uric acid you will be producing.

Day Six

Today is another all vegetables day. You must eat 1 cup of rice today and eat all the vegetables you want cooked and uncooked to your heart's content.

Day Seven

Today your food intake will consist of 1 cup rice, fruit juice and all the vegetables you care to consume. Tomorrow morning you will be five to eight kilograms lighter than 1 week ago. If you desire further weight loss, repeat the program again. Repeat the program as often as you like, however, it is suggested that you rest for three days before every repetition.

So I did one week on it. I lost 11 pounds. I took a week off (it is hard), and now I'm doing it again.

I don't know however how much more raw celery, carrots, or canatlope I can eat. And the Wonder Soup? I wonder if I'm going to vomit the next time I eat it.

I also need to drink 2 glasses of wine per night after the first week for digestion.

I need help with recipes, and types of nutritionally viable but tasty wine, ideas?

On this diet you lost 11 pounds. 7 pounds of muscle and 4 pounds of fat.

Sorry Jsaad, but doing this diet for one week would NOT result in a loss of 7 lbs of muscle. Sure if he did it again and again for months he would be losing some muscle, however the majority of the weight loss is obviously water loss. There is no question that for long term health your diet/exercise example is a much better pattern to follow. Keep in mind though that when you are 60+ lbs overweight sometimes people need a quick drop in weight to feel better and able to add in exercises that will allow them to continue. It isn't easy to have the energy to start your type of program from scratch. If this is what he needs to get him on the right track and he doesn't do this alone I would say go for it.

[indeedproceed]

FTR, I work out every day...some days as little as 25 mins cardio (mostly on the weekends), some days as much as 30 mins of cardio in the morning+40 mins of weights+pickup ball later...I'm also driving pack sleds when I can (rugby thing), and carrying large logs through the snow.

I made one of those up.