Which NBA team's players do we overrate the most? (besides the Celtics)

[screwedupmaniac]

The Magic.

Dwight Howard - limited offensive player, great defender.
Rashard Lewis - Undersized and one dimensional.
Jameer Nelson - How he's an all-star is beyond me.
Vince Carter - Over the hill.

Even last year, Courtney Lee was average at best but people were talking about him like he was the next Dwyane Wade. Hedo Turkoglu was slightly underrated though.

Actually, I think Howard, Lewis, and Carter have actually been underrated by Celtics fans compared to the rest of the country.  All we see is Howard getting nearly shut down by Perk and Davis, and Lewis getting owned by KG, and Carter being Wince, so we don't understand that they really are very good players...the C's just match up against them better than most.

For example, I guarantee you that a Cavs fan is going to give Dwight Howard a lot more credit than any C's fan would. 

I overall agree, except the part about Lewis being "owned" by KG.  Since KG has come to Boston, Lewis has scored 35, 22, 15, 30, 20, and 21 points against him.  In those same games, KG has scored 20, 14, 21, 15, 16, and 4 points.  In other words, KG has outscored Lewis exactly once, and Lewis is averaging 23.8 points against Boston in the KG era, as opposed to KG's 15 points per contest.

definitely. howard hasn't been a problem for Perk to defend at all, and rondo is capable of making quick work of nelson. our problems with orlando always originated with Turk and Lewis. At least we won't have to worry about dagger 3s from Turk anymore...if orlando is trying to get past us this year, they should have kept turk, IMO. but who knows, maybe vinsanity will work for them. time will tell.

[Michael Anthony]

I think Atlanta is an interestingly rated team. Josh Smith and Mike Bibby are vastly overrated.

That's interesting.  A few of the mods were recently talking about how Bibby is pretty *under*-rated, especially on the defensive end.  I think the guy is hated by Celtics fans, but I think he's still an excellent player.

Never a good place to be when you are on the opposite side of the mods... He does not get to the line, does not make his teammates substantially better, and does not defend - the Hawks are 6 points per 100 possesions better on D when he is off the court.

He is still a solid contributor, especially when Johnson is handling the ball, but he is nowhere near the player he once was.

[KungPoweChicken]

McGrady was overrated for the longest time; however, I think people have finally come down to earth on him.

In my opinion, Chirs Bosh and Carmello Anthony are overrated. Because they were drafted in the class of Lebron and Wade, they get lumped together as being of the same quality, when they are not.

Carlos Boozer is overrated. I know no one thinks he is a hall of fame player, but I'm still not impressed with his game. He gets way too much credit. He's chronically hurt and not even a number two option on a championship team.

Tayshaun Prince is overrated. He used to be underrated, but those days are long gone. He's nothing more than fifth man who can play some decent to good defense. He's not the great versatile offensive player and defensive specialist people claim him to be, though I will credit him for being quite the iron man.

[xmuscularghandix]

McGrady was overrated for the longest time; however, I think people have finally come down to earth on him.

In my opinion, Chirs Bosh and Carmello Anthony are overrated. Because they were drafted in the class of Lebron and Wade, they get lumped together as being of the same quality, when they are not.

Carlos Boozer is overrated. I know no one thinks he is a hall of fame player, but I'm still not impressed with his game. He gets way too much credit. He's chronically hurt and not even a number two option on a championship team.

Bosh sucks.

Melo is an excellent offensive player, he's not overrated.

Boozer IS overrated but you just underrated him.

[Roy Hobbs]

. . . the Hawks are 6 points per 100 possesions better on D when he is off the court.

. . . and the Thunder are 9 points better overall when Kevin Durant is out of the game.  Stats like that don't show me a lot, honestly. 

As for Bibby not making his teams better, I'm not sure where that comes from.  Atlanta was a perpetual lottery team, and then Bibby came in.  They then took the Celts to 7 games, and won a round in the playoffs this past year.

He may not be the player he used to be, but he's still a very good starting point guard.  I'd rather have him than, say, T.J. Ford.

[Michael Anthony]

. . . the Hawks are 6 points per 100 possesions better on D when he is off the court.

. . . and the Thunder are 9 points better overall when Kevin Durant is out of the game.  Stats like that don't show me a lot, honestly. 

As for Bibby not making his teams better, I'm not sure where that comes from.  Atlanta was a perpetual lottery team, and then Bibby came in.  They then took the Celts to 7 games, and won a round in the playoffs this past year.

He may not be the player he used to be, but he's still a very good starting point guard.  I'd rather have him than, say, T.J. Ford.

I was using a stat to backup an observation, I should have been more clear. I am sure you do not think he is a good defender either. For the record, Durant is not a good defender either.

In the Celtics playoff series, Bibby averaged 9.5 points per game on .350 shooting, and scored in single digits 3 times - a virtual non-factor. Their "leap" (From 30 wins to 37) in the 2007-08 regular season can be traced as much to improvements by their youngs (Williams +2.5 PER, Smith +1 PER, drafting Horford) as to the addition of Bibby - who replaced the immortal Speedy Claxton / Tyronne Lue experience.

Finally, the fact that you had to use T.J. Ford as your point of comparison here speaks volumes. In his prime, Bibby was a legit all-star. Today, he is Eddie House with handle.

[mgent]

The Magic.

Dwight Howard - limited offensive player, great defender.
Rashard Lewis - Undersized and one dimensional.
Jameer Nelson - How he's an all-star is beyond me.
Vince Carter - Over the hill.

Even last year, Courtney Lee was average at best but people were talking about him like he was the next Dwyane Wade. Hedo Turkoglu was slightly underrated though.

Raefer Alston was overrated too.  He's nowhere near Rondo IMO.

[CoachBo]

No opponent is even remotely close to the way Gerald Green, Paddy O'Blount and Tony Allen have been overrated on this board.

[mgent]

. . . the Hawks are 6 points per 100 possesions better on D when he is off the court.

. . . and the Thunder are 9 points better overall when Kevin Durant is out of the game.  Stats like that don't show me a lot, honestly. 

As for Bibby not making his teams better, I'm not sure where that comes from.  Atlanta was a perpetual lottery team, and then Bibby came in.  They then took the Celts to 7 games, and won a round in the playoffs this past year.

He may not be the player he used to be, but he's still a very good starting point guard.  I'd rather have him than, say, T.J. Ford.

I was using a stat to backup an observation, I should have been more clear. I am sure you do not think he is a good defender either. For the record, Durant is not a good defender either.

In the Celtics playoff series, Bibby averaged 9.5 points per game on .350 shooting, and scored in single digits 3 times - a virtual non-factor. Their "leap" (From 30 wins to 37) in the 2007-08 regular season can be traced as much to improvements by their youngs (Williams +2.5 PER, Smith +1 PER, drafting Horford) as to the addition of Bibby - who replaced the immortal Speedy Claxton / Tyronne Lue experience.

Finally, the fact that you had to use T.J. Ford as your point of comparison here speaks volumes. In his prime, Bibby was a legit all-star. Today, he is Eddie House with handle.

I agree that Bibby is overrated, I've never really liked him.  But i have to say, he stepped up on defense last year.  I noticed a big change.  And he's started to lead the offense more than he has been doing.
By the way, if Eddie House had a handle, he wouldn't be far off from an all-star (if he started playing good defense too).