Do You Believe David Ortiz (Poll)

[Birdbrain]

Nothing is too hard to understand I just don't believe him.

Also got some links to players being exonerated because they failed a test due to unbanned substance?

By the way the banned/unbanned thing is another red herring created by lawyers and players union trying to cover up cheaters because they are paid by the cheaters.  The same sad reason the league is crap now.

[Rondoholic]

Not only did I find Ortiz convincing, but that union lawyer might be the best lawyer/damage control guy I have ever seen in a situation like this.  That Michael Wiener was amazing to watch in his defense of Ortiz...

[BudweiserCeltic]

Nothing is too hard to understand I just don't believe him.

Also got some links to players being exonerated because they failed a test due to unbanned substance?

By the way the banned/unbanned thing is another red herring created by lawyers and players union trying to cover up cheaters because they are paid by the cheaters.  The same sad reason the league is crap now.

The problem is how can someone be "exonerated" from this particular list when access to the test results are not available?

[Birdbrain]

Not only did I find Ortiz convincing, but that union lawyer might be the best lawyer/damage control guy I have ever seen in a situation like this.  That Michael Wiener was amazing to watch in his defense of Ortiz...

I take it the ... = sarcasm?

[Birdbrain]

Nothing is too hard to understand I just don't believe him.

Also got some links to players being exonerated because they failed a test due to unbanned substance?

By the way the banned/unbanned thing is another red herring created by lawyers and players union trying to cover up cheaters because they are paid by the cheaters.  The same sad reason the league is crap now.

The problem is how can someone be "exonerated" from this particular list when access to the test results are not available?

Oh so you believe they don't know why they tested positive?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Nothing is too hard to understand I just don't believe him.

Also got some links to players being exonerated because they failed a test due to unbanned substance?

By the way the banned/unbanned thing is another red herring created by lawyers and players union trying to cover up cheaters because they are paid by the cheaters.  The same sad reason the league is crap now.

The problem is how can someone be "exonerated" from this particular list when access to the test results are not available?

Oh so you believe they don't know why they tested positive?

Who knows? Does it matter? Until the results are unsealed...

I just know that what Ortiz's story has been consistent with things he has said years ago.

[SSFan 6.33]

Nothing is too hard to understand I just don't believe him.

Also got some links to players being exonerated because they failed a test due to unbanned substance?

By the way the banned/unbanned thing is another red herring created by lawyers and players union trying to cover up cheaters because they are paid by the cheaters.  The same sad reason the league is crap now.

The problem is how can someone be "exonerated" from this particular list when access to the test results are not available?

Some how they are accessible because the reporter was able to report exactly what A Rod had taken.  Somewhere there's a description of what Papi took.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Nothing is too hard to understand I just don't believe him.

Also got some links to players being exonerated because they failed a test due to unbanned substance?

By the way the banned/unbanned thing is another red herring created by lawyers and players union trying to cover up cheaters because they are paid by the cheaters.  The same sad reason the league is crap now.

The problem is how can someone be "exonerated" from this particular list when access to the test results are not available?

Some how they are accessible because the reporter was able to report exactly what A Rod had taken.  Somewhere there's a description of what Papi took.

Well, someone better leak that. Until then...

[Birdbrain]

Nothing is too hard to understand I just don't believe him.

Also got some links to players being exonerated because they failed a test due to unbanned substance?

By the way the banned/unbanned thing is another red herring created by lawyers and players union trying to cover up cheaters because they are paid by the cheaters.  The same sad reason the league is crap now.

The problem is how can someone be "exonerated" from this particular list when access to the test results are not available?

Some how they are accessible because the reporter was able to report exactly what A Rod had taken.  Somewhere there's a description of what Papi took.

Well, someone better leak that. Until then...

I don't believe Poppie doesn't know what he tested positive for.

[Jon]

I'd like to believe him, but I doubt he's telling the whole truth. 

[Eja117]

When it comes to PEDs in baseball I find them all guilty till proven innocent. Jose Canseco has proven to be the most honest baseball player in America so far

[cornbreadsmart]

i can understand now why barry bonds was such a jerk to media when the whole time he knows everyone is doing it. he never outed anyone else. he'sd be a loser if he DID. i've never heard anyone ever bring that up though.
  i'm not a sox fan. i don't like baseball. still, i thought it was a shame ortiz did'nt just admit it. he's no better than any of these guys. the dude has probably been cheating for years and maybe he would never have been very good without them. i DO think those titles are completely tarnished. what was it, 86 years w/o a title? it should be more. those titles are not legit.
    if the same comes out for the c's then sadly it's the same thing. does'nt matter if everyone's doing it and i'm not bashing guys for taking them really. still, it ain't legit.

[JBcat]

Here is what I can't understand.   We were told there are 104 players on the list, 83 positive tests,  some of which may be the same player tested positive more than once.   So we could for arguments sake only 50 people out of the 104 on the list that tested positive.   If this information is true then David Ortiz can be on this list but tested negative.  It was never made clear if he tested or positive or not just that he was on this list right?   But what I can't understand is why are the players that tested negative are on this list in the first place.  Am I missing something???

[indeedproceed]

I do not in any kind of way believe him.

[Surferdad]

When it comes to PEDs in baseball I find them all guilty till proven innocent. Jose Canseco has proven to be the most honest baseball player in America so far

Why do so many people feel this way?  It is un-American.  Now I'm sure people will jump all over me for saying that, but it's true.  In this country we're are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  This whole thing makes me so sick that I have stopped paying attention to baseball.