Revisiting a Kleiza for Baby trade idea

[winsomme]

just read the report that Kleiza is on the verge of signing overseas:

http://www.sportando.net/eng/europa/euroleague/3940/olympiacos_and_kleiza_in_serious_talks.html

this is move that has been talked about here in the past, but maybe now is a time to revisit it.

would prefer Baby, but Kleiza would make Bowen less necessary and not a huge fan of his antics.

also, Shelden being able to backup the C position makes it a little more okay to move Baby for a player that can't play center.

I'm sure DEN would also prefer their own player Kleiza, but the chance of losing him for the season could make them more willing to deal. plus, Baby would probably come cheaper than Kleiza.

how about Baby and Walker for Kleiza?

[RAcker]

I'll pass. Kleiza can shoot but from what I've ever seen, he can't defend a chair.

[Hoops]

I don't think is defense is that bad - or at least it doesn't have to be. But isn't Kleiza more of a 3 than a 4? At least Baby has bulk to push people around - Kleiza's too small to man the post. I'd actually be happy to have Kleiza, but only if he fills a need - and we don't really need a wing right now.

[JBcat]

I don't think is defense is that bad - or at least it doesn't have to be. But isn't Kleiza more of a 3 than a 4? At least Baby has bulk to push people around - Kleiza's too small to man the post. I'd actually be happy to have Kleiza, but only if he fills a need - and we don't really need a wing right now.

Yeah I consider him more of a 3 than 4.  Also I really like Williams as our 5th big but as our 4th big which is what BBD would be it gets a little iffy.  I guess you could say Scal would then be the 4th big but I like him as like the utility guy between the 3 and 4 playing sporadic minutes.  In the end I probably wouldn't do this since we have Daniels coming on board but I would consider the Scal Tony Allen pupu platter for Kleiza.   He can fill it up at times.   

[winsomme]

I don't think is defense is that bad - or at least it doesn't have to be. But isn't Kleiza more of a 3 than a 4? At least Baby has bulk to push people around - Kleiza's too small to man the post. I'd actually be happy to have Kleiza, but only if he fills a need - and we don't really need a wing right now.

yeah, he's probably more of a 3. he definitely defends the 3 better, but he can play the 4 too...

I think signing Shelden makes me a little less worried about that though....

[Fafnir]

I don't think is defense is that bad - or at least it doesn't have to be. But isn't Kleiza more of a 3 than a 4? At least Baby has bulk to push people around - Kleiza's too small to man the post. I'd actually be happy to have Kleiza, but only if he fills a need - and we don't really need a wing right now.

yeah, he's probably more of a 3. he definitely defends the 3 better, but he can play the 4 too...

I think signing Shelden makes me a little less worried about that though....

I'm not sure BBD would fit Denver's personal.

[winsomme]

I don't think is defense is that bad - or at least it doesn't have to be. But isn't Kleiza more of a 3 than a 4? At least Baby has bulk to push people around - Kleiza's too small to man the post. I'd actually be happy to have Kleiza, but only if he fills a need - and we don't really need a wing right now.

yeah, he's probably more of a 3. he definitely defends the 3 better, but he can play the 4 too...

I think signing Shelden makes me a little less worried about that though....

I'm not sure BBD would fit Denver's personal.

no, i agree with that...and that's why i think they would prefer Kleiza, but if the choice is between losing him to Europe or getting Baby they might go for Baby.

he actually would help shore up their middle which doesn't have much strength on the bench...

[Fafnir]

I don't think is defense is that bad - or at least it doesn't have to be. But isn't Kleiza more of a 3 than a 4? At least Baby has bulk to push people around - Kleiza's too small to man the post. I'd actually be happy to have Kleiza, but only if he fills a need - and we don't really need a wing right now.

yeah, he's probably more of a 3. he definitely defends the 3 better, but he can play the 4 too...

I think signing Shelden makes me a little less worried about that though....

I'm not sure BBD would fit Denver's personal.

no, i agree with that...and that's why i think they would prefer Kleiza, but if the choice is between losing him to Europe or getting Baby they might go for Baby.

he actually would help shore up their middle which doesn't have much strength on the bench...

Problem is Baby's going to want minutes and a contract, if Denver can't promise him both that I think he'd balk at signing with them.

[2short]

I think a davis sign and trade should be for a backup pg or if Swift proves to be not so swift a big man project.
I don't see many minutes at all for Davis with Sheldon, rasheed, perk, kg and scal in situations as pf/c players.

[Fafnir]

I think a davis sign and trade should be for a backup pg or if Swift proves to be not so swift a big man project.
I don't see many minutes at all for Davis with Sheldon, rasheed, perk, kg and scal in situations as pf/c players.

Sheldon and Scal shouldn't be on the floor at all if the team is healthy. We still need a quality fourth big.

Our need for size is still greater than a backup for Rondo. Especially when House is with the team at 3 million and should play the 1 most of his minutes.

[winsomme]

I think a davis sign and trade should be for a backup pg or if Swift proves to be not so swift a big man project.
I don't see many minutes at all for Davis with Sheldon, rasheed, perk, kg and scal in situations as pf/c players.

Sheldon and Scal shouldn't be on the floor at all if the team is healthy. We still need a quality fourth big.

Our need for size is still greater than a backup for Rondo. Especially when House is with the team at 3 million and should play the 1 most of his minutes.

DEN needs a quality 4th big as well. and even though Baby is not an ideal fit in their system, I think they did need more strength in their big man rotation last year. Andersen played great for them, but he could easily get pushed around by some bigs.

[2short]

I think a davis sign and trade should be for a backup pg or if Swift proves to be not so swift a big man project.
I don't see many minutes at all for Davis with Sheldon, rasheed, perk, kg and scal in situations as pf/c players.

Sheldon and Scal shouldn't be on the floor at all if the team is healthy. We still need a quality fourth big.

Our need for size is still greater than a backup for Rondo. Especially when House is with the team at 3 million and should play the 1 most of his minutes.

i think the quality issue is wallace as backup at c / pf then what quality do you need after that compared with other teams?  Scal as pf is only in certain situations, I'd be very happy if he was the guy at end of bench or just ahead of walker/giddens whoever doesn't get moved.  How much are we going to pay davis? how many minutes will he actually get with wallace on team ?  If you figured perk and kg at 30 minutes a game, then rasheed...who gets the other few minutes?
my point is i think davis is more valuable in trade than as a 3rd/4th string c or 3rd/4th string pf
I think sheldon can surprise with this team.  His job is made simple, rebound, defend block shots (his strengths).