Hoopsworld rumor: Davis has 4 year offer from C's

[Mr October]

yeah, the qualifying offer makes the most sense.... or at least something shorter: $6/2, $9/3 looks a lot better than $1/1.

Then he can test the waters again.

[action781]

4 yrs / $10M is definitely less than what he was hoping for, but its August, if he was going to get his MLE, it would have been offered to him by now so he isn't.  I haven't heard a single monetary valued contract that he's turned down yet actually.

The "rumored" deal has to be a definite go for the celts.  For BBD, I can see his desire to want more.  He did make very little his last 2 years here.  What if we made his last year or his last 2 years player options?  This would be a great sitation for BBD.  If he proves more than the worth of this contract, he opts out and signs for more than he'd get this offseason.  The celts still got him for 2 yrs / $5M which nobody can complain about.  If the market for his services isn't too large, then he still receives a nice guarenteed income. 

[Jon]

Why would BBD sign a 4 year deal for small money to come in here and ride the pine? Now that Shelden Williams is signed he will have to split minutes with yet another big as I doubt they brought him in to get no minutes at all. Scal also could take some of those minutes if he starts playing like he did prior to that head injury. There might be quite a few DNP's in sight for him.

If he doesn't get a much better offer look for BBD to sign the one year offer and become un-restricted next season where he has a better chance of getting paid. He will have one more year of proving he can play, and one more year of hopefully keeping the weight off.

While I agree that Baby won't get a lot of playing time here (barring an injury), I actually think it'll hurt him more if he signs a short term deal.  With a long term, 4 year deal, even if he does ride the pine for a year or two, he'll have time before he hits the market again to prove he's worth a bigger deal.  If he signs a 1-year deal, however, I think he'll hurt his value coming back here next year. 

[Chris]

Why would BBD sign a 4 year deal for small money to come in here and ride the pine? Now that Shelden Williams is signed he will have to split minutes with yet another big as I doubt they brought him in to get no minutes at all. Scal also could take some of those minutes if he starts playing like he did prior to that head injury. There might be quite a few DNP's in sight for him.

If he doesn't get a much better offer look for BBD to sign the one year offer and become un-restricted next season where he has a better chance of getting paid. He will have one more year of proving he can play, and one more year of hopefully keeping the weight off.

If Davis is here, he will be well ahead of Williams in the rotation.  Given the age and injury history of the three guys ahead of him, Davis would likely be playing 10-15 minutes per game if everyone is healthy, and will likely average between 15-25 minutes per game for the season, due to the fact that he will inevitably fill in for stretches when there are injuries.  

And I think he may actually help his value by playing shorter minutes this year.  Last year, he struggled keeping up the defensive intensity he had early in the season when he started playing 30 minutes a game.  But if he is playing 15 minutes, he can go really hard for pretty much that entire time, and show that last year was not a fluke.

[Fafnir]

yeah, the qualifying offer makes the most sense.... or at least something shorter: $6/2, $9/3 looks a lot better than $1/1.

Then he can test the waters again.

Tell that to Leon Powe. He was in line for a double digit multi-year contract and then he hurt his knee. Now he's likely to get a minimum deal.

I can see Baby playing for the QO, but I hope he doesn't for his own sake. Injuries can happen all to easily in the NBA and could seriously cost him his chance at a contract.

[Fafnir]

Why would BBD sign a 4 year deal for small money to come in here and ride the pine? Now that Shelden Williams is signed he will have to split minutes with yet another big as I doubt they brought him in to get no minutes at all. Scal also could take some of those minutes if he starts playing like he did prior to that head injury. There might be quite a few DNP's in sight for him.

If he doesn't get a much better offer look for BBD to sign the one year offer and become un-restricted next season where he has a better chance of getting paid. He will have one more year of proving he can play, and one more year of hopefully keeping the weight off.

While I agree that Baby won't get a lot of playing time here (barring an injury), I actually think it'll hurt him more if he signs a short term deal.  With a long term, 4 year deal, even if he does ride the pine for a year or two, he'll have time before he hits the market again to prove he's worth a bigger deal.  If he signs a 1-year deal, however, I think he'll hurt his value coming back here next year. 

Plus there is the huge risk of injury. Who knows, they could always work out a multi-year deal with a player option after the second or third season at that sort of low money.

[Birdbrain]

yeah, the qualifying offer makes the most sense.... or at least something shorter: $6/2, $9/3 looks a lot better than $1/1.

Then he can test the waters again.

Tell that to Leon Powe. He was in line for a double digit multi-year contract and then he hurt his knee. Now he's likely to get a minimum deal.

I can see Baby playing for the QO, but I hope he doesn't for his own sake. Injuries can happen all to easily in the NBA and could seriously cost him his chance at a contract.

Wow I guess we'll agree to disagree with this sentiment.

Logic tells me if they thought that much of him he would still have signed him to the minimum knee injury or not.  But we'll never know now.

[Chris]

Why would BBD sign a 4 year deal for small money to come in here and ride the pine? Now that Shelden Williams is signed he will have to split minutes with yet another big as I doubt they brought him in to get no minutes at all. Scal also could take some of those minutes if he starts playing like he did prior to that head injury. There might be quite a few DNP's in sight for him.

If he doesn't get a much better offer look for BBD to sign the one year offer and become un-restricted next season where he has a better chance of getting paid. He will have one more year of proving he can play, and one more year of hopefully keeping the weight off.

While I agree that Baby won't get a lot of playing time here (barring an injury), I actually think it'll hurt him more if he signs a short term deal.  With a long term, 4 year deal, even if he does ride the pine for a year or two, he'll have time before he hits the market again to prove he's worth a bigger deal.  If he signs a 1-year deal, however, I think he'll hurt his value coming back here next year. 

Plus there is the huge risk of injury. Who knows, they could always work out a multi-year deal with a player option after the second or third season at that sort of low money.

I think this is ultimately what will happen.  He will come back on a deal for say, 3 years, $8 million, with a player option for year 3.

[Chris]

yeah, the qualifying offer makes the most sense.... or at least something shorter: $6/2, $9/3 looks a lot better than $1/1.

Then he can test the waters again.

Tell that to Leon Powe. He was in line for a double digit multi-year contract and then he hurt his knee. Now he's likely to get a minimum deal.

I can see Baby playing for the QO, but I hope he doesn't for his own sake. Injuries can happen all to easily in the NBA and could seriously cost him his chance at a contract.

No chance this was happening.  In fact if that was anywhere near a possibility they would have at worst singed him to minimum.  No offense but, there is overrating a player and then there is 10 million a year for powe.

Maybe I am speaking out of turn, but I think he was talking about a contract that is worth more than $10 million over the life of the contract, not per year.

[the_Bird]

If BBD comes back, I'm thinking he'll be getting a lot more PT than The Landlord.

Still, I can't see him signing for a long-term deal unless it's getting close to $4M per.  Makes more sense for him to come back for a year (ideally, he'd be able to negotiate a one-year deal for $2M - $3M instead of signing the qualifying offer) and take his chances twelve months hence. 

There won't be a LOT of minutes for him, but they'll be enough to show other GMs what he can do (and maybe not so many as to really expose his weaknesses).  Got to assume that KG will be capped at 30MPG, 'Sheed probably under that, and that KG will miss a few games here and there.  There was room for both Powe and BBD to get a little PT even before KG was hurt, they'll be room for 'Sheed and BBD as well. 

[guava_wrench]

If BBD comes back, I'm thinking he'll be getting a lot more PT than The Landlord.

Still, I can't see him signing for a long-term deal unless it's getting close to $4M per.  Makes more sense for him to come back for a year (ideally, he'd be able to negotiate a one-year deal for $2M - $3M instead of signing the qualifying offer) and take his chances twelve months hence. 

There won't be a LOT of minutes for him, but they'll be enough to show other GMs what he can do (and maybe not so many as to really expose his weaknesses).  Got to assume that KG will be capped at 30MPG, 'Sheed probably under that, and that KG will miss a few games here and there.  There was room for both Powe and BBD to get a little PT even before KG was hurt, they'll be room for 'Sheed and BBD as well. 

If you subtract the first year at 1 million (qualifying offer), the contract ends up being $11m for 3 years. Not bad, considering the economy and the fact that he will still be a restricted FA next season. Add to that his past weight problems, and it looks reasonable.

[Aeacus]

yeah, the qualifying offer makes the most sense.... or at least something shorter: $6/2, $9/3 looks a lot better than $1/1.

Then he can test the waters again.

Tell that to Leon Powe. He was in line for a double digit multi-year contract and then he hurt his knee. Now he's likely to get a minimum deal.

I can see Baby playing for the QO, but I hope he doesn't for his own sake. Injuries can happen all to easily in the NBA and could seriously cost him his chance at a contract.

Wow I guess we'll agree to disagree with this sentiment.

Logic tells me if they thought that much of him he would still have signed him to the minimum knee injury or not.  But we'll never know now.

Um, what?  You don't think that had Powe not injured his knee, the celtics wouldn't have offered him a 4 year/12 million contract?  I'd have said that would have been the lowest  contract he would have been looking at as a FA. He should have been able to attract offers above that from other teams. Even in the current lousy economy and shrinking salary cap.

But once he hurt his knee (for the 3rd time), he was stuck with a 1-2 year minimum deal if he can find it.  No one is in a hurry to sign a guy with a history of knee injuries before he can even jog. I love Leon but I think he's going to have to prove he'll be able to recover before a team signs him.  I'm interpreting all the David Aldridge stories as his agent trying to drum up interest so that someone will sign him before the season starts. There is just too much risk in a guy with that many injuries to the same knee.

BTW I'll be happy with any contract that keeps BBD here at least two more years at 3 mill/year or so. If he's smart he won't play for the qualifying offer.  Conditioning concerns would kill his value if he had a lower body injury.

[Fafnir]

yeah, the qualifying offer makes the most sense.... or at least something shorter: $6/2, $9/3 looks a lot better than $1/1.

Then he can test the waters again.

Tell that to Leon Powe. He was in line for a double digit multi-year contract and then he hurt his knee. Now he's likely to get a minimum deal.

I can see Baby playing for the QO, but I hope he doesn't for his own sake. Injuries can happen all to easily in the NBA and could seriously cost him his chance at a contract.

No chance this was happening.  In fact if that was anywhere near a possibility they would have at worst singed him to minimum.  No offense but, there is overrating a player and then there is 10 million a year for powe.

Maybe I am speaking out of turn, but I think he was talking about a contract that is worth more than $10 million over the life of the contract, not per year.

That is exactly what I meant. A multi-year deal with a total value over ten million.

[RAcker]

yeah, the qualifying offer makes the most sense.... or at least something shorter: $6/2, $9/3 looks a lot better than $1/1.

Then he can test the waters again.

Tell that to Leon Powe. He was in line for a double digit multi-year contract and then he hurt his knee. Now he's likely to get a minimum deal.

I can see Baby playing for the QO, but I hope he doesn't for his own sake. Injuries can happen all to easily in the NBA and could seriously cost him his chance at a contract.

No chance this was happening.  In fact if that was anywhere near a possibility they would have at worst singed him to minimum.  No offense but, there is overrating a player and then there is 10 million a year for powe.

Maybe I am speaking out of turn, but I think he was talking about a contract that is worth more than $10 million over the life of the contract, not per year.

That is exactly what I meant. A multi-year deal with a total value over ten million.

I know BBD wanted more, but honestly, this is about right.  At least the other execs in the league didn't over-value everyone this year.  We're just lucky it was our guy they got right.

[gustusias]

Davis would bre foolish not to accept such a contract in today's economy, considering what he went thru this year, and with all the big name free agents next year. This guy rose from the gutter to a bigtime NBA player. 4 years and 10 million sounds pretty darn good to me.