If we get Bowen...It's all over, we win...

[EJPLAYA]

2 years ago I agree with the pro-Bowen crowd, but if he can't get in front of Daniels in the line-up then why? We need to go after a backup center vs. yet another wing. PG before that as well. He just won't see the floor enough to bother. I'd rather have a prospect than him because at least we can maybe end up with something.

[ManUp]

2 years ago I agree with the pro-Bowen crowd, but if he can't get in front of Daniels in the line-up then why? We need to go after a backup center vs. yet another wing. PG before that as well. He just won't see the floor enough to bother. I'd rather have a prospect than him because at least we can maybe end up with something.

I don't see why we would need Bowen to get in front of Daniels. I think the idea is to have Daniels play the bulk of the wing minutes, and have Bowen take the minutes that are lefts at SF (Since Daniels is more of a SG). House and Daniels would share the point guard responsibilities. In my opinion, what the team needs is a 4th wing (preferably one who can shoot the 3ball), and a 4th big (preferably one who can play center) as you said. Signing one shouldn't hurt our ability to get the other.

[EJPLAYA]

2 years ago I agree with the pro-Bowen crowd, but if he can't get in front of Daniels in the line-up then why? We need to go after a backup center vs. yet another wing. PG before that as well. He just won't see the floor enough to bother. I'd rather have a prospect than him because at least we can maybe end up with something.

I don't see why we would need Bowen to get in front of Daniels. I think the idea is to have Daniels play the bulk of the wing minutes, and have Bowen take the minutes that are lefts at SF (Since Daniels is more of a SG). House and Daniels would share the point guard responsibilities. In my opinion, what the team needs is a 4th wing (preferably one who can shoot the 3ball), and a 4th big (preferably one who can play center) as you said. Signing one shouldn't hurt our ability to get the other.

House or Daniels at point is NOT going to be a good thing. House is a two and when he plays the point it takes away everything that he does exceptionally well and turns him into a mediocre player. Danies should be backing up PP and getting all those minutes. We need a true pg who can get the ball up the floor quickly and defend. This will allow us to run. If Daniels or House is at point we are a slow walk it up second unit. With no low post game we would be in trouble.

[ManUp]

2 years ago I agree with the pro-Bowen crowd, but if he can't get in front of Daniels in the line-up then why? We need to go after a backup center vs. yet another wing. PG before that as well. He just won't see the floor enough to bother. I'd rather have a prospect than him because at least we can maybe end up with something.

I don't see why we would need Bowen to get in front of Daniels. I think the idea is to have Daniels play the bulk of the wing minutes, and have Bowen take the minutes that are lefts at SF (Since Daniels is more of a SG). House and Daniels would share the point guard responsibilities. In my opinion, what the team needs is a 4th wing (preferably one who can shoot the 3ball), and a 4th big (preferably one who can play center) as you said. Signing one shouldn't hurt our ability to get the other.

House or Daniels at point is NOT going to be a good thing. House is a two and when he plays the point it takes away everything that he does exceptionally well and turns him into a mediocre player. Daniels should be backing up PP and getting all those minutes. We need a true pg who can get the ball up the floor quickly and defend. This will allow us to run. If Daniels or House is at point we are a slow walk it up second unit. With no low post game we would be in trouble.

I highly doubt we're going to find the point guard you described. Marbury is probably the only point available that fits that description. In my opinion, the lack of shooting in a Marbury/House/Daniels along with the lack of size would hurt us more than having Daniels bring the ball up the court. Daniels is a good enough ball handler to succeed where the House/TA combo failed.

[EJPLAYA]

2 years ago I agree with the pro-Bowen crowd, but if he can't get in front of Daniels in the line-up then why? We need to go after a backup center vs. yet another wing. PG before that as well. He just won't see the floor enough to bother. I'd rather have a prospect than him because at least we can maybe end up with something.

I don't see why we would need Bowen to get in front of Daniels. I think the idea is to have Daniels play the bulk of the wing minutes, and have Bowen take the minutes that are lefts at SF (Since Daniels is more of a SG). House and Daniels would share the point guard responsibilities. In my opinion, what the team needs is a 4th wing (preferably one who can shoot the 3ball), and a 4th big (preferably one who can play center) as you said. Signing one shouldn't hurt our ability to get the other.

House or Daniels at point is NOT going to be a good thing. House is a two and when he plays the point it takes away everything that he does exceptionally well and turns him into a mediocre player. Daniels should be backing up PP and getting all those minutes. We need a true pg who can get the ball up the floor quickly and defend. This will allow us to run. If Daniels or House is at point we are a slow walk it up second unit. With no low post game we would be in trouble.

I highly doubt we're going to find the point guard you described. Marbury is probably the only point available that fits that description. In my opinion, the lack of shooting in a Marbury/House/Daniels along with the lack of size would hurt us more than having Daniels bring the ball up the court. Daniels is a good enough ball handler to succeed where the House/TA combo failed.

Marbury would be my first choice and it appears that if we want to offer him the vet min he will likely take it. House is in that group of 3 and we lack SHOOTING? House is one of the best in the NBA at that, and with Marbury's passing, Daniels ability to create movement with his slashing ability we should find a lot of open looks for House. How is the 2nd unit of Marbury, House, Daniels, BBD or Scal,  and Sheed not an amazing second unit?! Where would Bowen fit in that lineup?! On the bench, that's where.

[Surferdad]

Bruce Bowen is 38 years old. Most wing players are done in the 33-35 range. Bowen has been washed up for the last few years. He has been surviving buy his grit and intelligence. You can only do that for so long at the pro level. Bowen does not have the lateral quickness to keep ANY elite wing in front of him at this point in his career.

I liked Bowen when he played for us when his career started and I always rooted for him in SA despite being a spurs hater. But the truth is the guy just cant hack it anymore. I think it would be better to spend the extra cash on getting BBD back and letting Daniels, Walker and Giddens split the backup wing minutes. If the Spurs thought he could help them still they would have kept him. Truth is, there are much better options available at this point. Some of them are on our own team.

I like this line of reasoning.  While I think Bowen could help in a limited role, I would prefer throwing some of that money at insuring Baby resigns here, and then see if Walker or Giddens can play that taller backup wing while Daniels backs up the 1/2 positions, mainly.

Then going forward the young core post-Big Three is Rondo, Perk, Baby, Daniels with Walker/Giddens/Hudson in the pipeline.

[thedawg]

We got decent additions in Sheed and hopefully Daniels will go through as I believe he will be equally important to us next season. Waiving Pruitt was a good move eventhough we got not much to back up Rondo for next season. 

Now we need to either trust our two last year´s rookies to come off the bench (and I mean coming off the bench not sitting on it all the time!) or trade them for players that the coach will use.  And this goes out without saying but relatively injury-free season will get us VERY CLOSE to the 18th banner.

[ManUp]

2 years ago I agree with the pro-Bowen crowd, but if he can't get in front of Daniels in the line-up then why? We need to go after a backup center vs. yet another wing. PG before that as well. He just won't see the floor enough to bother. I'd rather have a prospect than him because at least we can maybe end up with something.

I don't see why we would need Bowen to get in front of Daniels. I think the idea is to have Daniels play the bulk of the wing minutes, and have Bowen take the minutes that are lefts at SF (Since Daniels is more of a SG). House and Daniels would share the point guard responsibilities. In my opinion, what the team needs is a 4th wing (preferably one who can shoot the 3ball), and a 4th big (preferably one who can play center) as you said. Signing one shouldn't hurt our ability to get the other.

House or Daniels at point is NOT going to be a good thing. House is a two and when he plays the point it takes away everything that he does exceptionally well and turns him into a mediocre player. Daniels should be backing up PP and getting all those minutes. We need a true pg who can get the ball up the floor quickly and defend. This will allow us to run. If Daniels or House is at point we are a slow walk it up second unit. With no low post game we would be in trouble.

I highly doubt we're going to find the point guard you described. Marbury is probably the only point available that fits that description. In my opinion, the lack of shooting in a Marbury/House/Daniels along with the lack of size would hurt us more than having Daniels bring the ball up the court. Daniels is a good enough ball handler to succeed where the House/TA combo failed.

Marbury would be my first choice and it appears that if we want to offer him the vet min he will likely take it. House is in that group of 3 and we lack SHOOTING? House is one of the best in the NBA at that, and with Marbury's passing, Daniels ability to create movement with his slashing ability we should find a lot of open looks for House. How is the 2nd unit of Marbury, House, Daniels, BBD or Scal,  and Sheed not an amazing second unit?! Where would Bowen fit in that lineup?! On the bench, that's where.

I don't like resigning Marbury simply because he can't shoot. Have 2 out of 3 perimeter guys who can't shoot is having a lack of shooting. My main concern with the bench is having guys who can knock down open shots when they play with the starters, Marbury wasn't that guy last year.

[mgent]

It makes no difference if Bowen is still able to guard 'elite' wing players any more.  Playing on our second unit, he is quite unlikely to be matched up with an elite player from the opposing team's bench.  I'm sure he's not the stopper that he once was, but I think his defense will be fine for 15 minutes a game on the second unit.  And even if his 1 on 1 defensive skills have diminished, his experience will allow him to effectively fit into Thibodeau's system of team defense.  We have plenty of players on our roster that are capable of guarding wings- Pierce, Allen, Daniels, Giddens, Walker, etc.- so Bowen doesn't need to be a huge stopper.

I think his experience will be invaluable for us.  He's played in plenty of huge games, and is well suited to playing under the glare of the playoff spotlight.  His ability to stretch the floor is also an attribute that could pay huge dividends for us. 

Do it Danny!

First CB post.  How did I do?  

Yeah dude, who cares if he's not the same stopper he used to be?  He can pick up the slack when Paul's on the bench, and that's a lot more than most guys in the NBA can say (Bowen over Walker on D any day of the week).  People overrate how much experience is worth, especially in the playoffs.  Our team is just too much for Walker to handle right now, he's still a 3rd string guy.  Vets are what we really need right now.
And i like your name.

[EJPLAYA]

2 years ago I agree with the pro-Bowen crowd, but if he can't get in front of Daniels in the line-up then why? We need to go after a backup center vs. yet another wing. PG before that as well. He just won't see the floor enough to bother. I'd rather have a prospect than him because at least we can maybe end up with something.

I don't see why we would need Bowen to get in front of Daniels. I think the idea is to have Daniels play the bulk of the wing minutes, and have Bowen take the minutes that are lefts at SF (Since Daniels is more of a SG). House and Daniels would share the point guard responsibilities. In my opinion, what the team needs is a 4th wing (preferably one who can shoot the 3ball), and a 4th big (preferably one who can play center) as you said. Signing one shouldn't hurt our ability to get the other.

House or Daniels at point is NOT going to be a good thing. House is a two and when he plays the point it takes away everything that he does exceptionally well and turns him into a mediocre player. Daniels should be backing up PP and getting all those minutes. We need a true pg who can get the ball up the floor quickly and defend. This will allow us to run. If Daniels or House is at point we are a slow walk it up second unit. With no low post game we would be in trouble.

I highly doubt we're going to find the point guard you described. Marbury is probably the only point available that fits that description. In my opinion, the lack of shooting in a Marbury/House/Daniels along with the lack of size would hurt us more than having Daniels bring the ball up the court. Daniels is a good enough ball handler to succeed where the House/TA combo failed.

Marbury would be my first choice and it appears that if we want to offer him the vet min he will likely take it. House is in that group of 3 and we lack SHOOTING? House is one of the best in the NBA at that, and with Marbury's passing, Daniels ability to create movement with his slashing ability we should find a lot of open looks for House. How is the 2nd unit of Marbury, House, Daniels, BBD or Scal,  and Sheed not an amazing second unit?! Where would Bowen fit in that lineup?! On the bench, that's where.

I don't like resigning Marbury simply because he can't shoot. Have 2 out of 3 perimeter guys who can't shoot is having a lack of shooting. My main concern with the bench is having guys who can knock down open shots when they play with the starters, Marbury wasn't that guy last year.

Just because he didn't shake the rust off last year doesn't mean he can't shoot. The guy has made a career of knocking down shots and some time in the gym will cure that. Even if he doesn't return completely to form he was starting to do a better job getting into the lane. With a slashing Daniels and a killer shooter in House we are all set.

Keep in mind too that Marbury very rarely played with the starters. I don't want him shooting the ball if he is in there with Ray, PP, KG etc. Rondo doesn't knock down shots with the starters either so that shouldn't exclude him from the role.

[Fafnir]

Just because he didn't shake the rust off last year doesn't mean he can't shoot. The guy has made a career of knocking down shots and some time in the gym will cure that. Even if he doesn't return completely to form he was starting to do a better job getting into the lane. With a slashing Daniels and a killer shooter in House we are all set.

Keep in mind too that Marbury very rarely played with the starters. I don't want him shooting the ball if he is in there with Ray, PP, KG etc. Rondo doesn't knock down shots with the starters either so that shouldn't exclude him from the role.

He had almost a third of the season, and never got better at shooting. He's also never been an efficient shooter, always a volume scorer. He couldn't finish any of his layups either. Add his ustream/webcast antics and why in the world would you want him back now.

[mgent]

2 years ago I agree with the pro-Bowen crowd, but if he can't get in front of Daniels in the line-up then why? We need to go after a backup center vs. yet another wing. PG before that as well. He just won't see the floor enough to bother. I'd rather have a prospect than him because at least we can maybe end up with something.

I don't see why we would need Bowen to get in front of Daniels. I think the idea is to have Daniels play the bulk of the wing minutes, and have Bowen take the minutes that are lefts at SF (Since Daniels is more of a SG). House and Daniels would share the point guard responsibilities. In my opinion, what the team needs is a 4th wing (preferably one who can shoot the 3ball), and a 4th big (preferably one who can play center) as you said. Signing one shouldn't hurt our ability to get the other.

House or Daniels at point is NOT going to be a good thing. House is a two and when he plays the point it takes away everything that he does exceptionally well and turns him into a mediocre player. Daniels should be backing up PP and getting all those minutes. We need a true pg who can get the ball up the floor quickly and defend. This will allow us to run. If Daniels or House is at point we are a slow walk it up second unit. With no low post game we would be in trouble.

I highly doubt we're going to find the point guard you described. Marbury is probably the only point available that fits that description. In my opinion, the lack of shooting in a Marbury/House/Daniels along with the lack of size would hurt us more than having Daniels bring the ball up the court. Daniels is a good enough ball handler to succeed where the House/TA combo failed.

Marbury would be my first choice and it appears that if we want to offer him the vet min he will likely take it. House is in that group of 3 and we lack SHOOTING? House is one of the best in the NBA at that, and with Marbury's passing, Daniels ability to create movement with his slashing ability we should find a lot of open looks for House. How is the 2nd unit of Marbury, House, Daniels, BBD or Scal,  and Sheed not an amazing second unit?! Where would Bowen fit in that lineup?! On the bench, that's where.

I don't like resigning Marbury simply because he can't shoot. Have 2 out of 3 perimeter guys who can't shoot is having a lack of shooting. My main concern with the bench is having guys who can knock down open shots when they play with the starters, Marbury wasn't that guy last year.

Just because he didn't shake the rust off last year doesn't mean he can't shoot. The guy has made a career of knocking down shots and some time in the gym will cure that. Even if he doesn't return completely to form he was starting to do a better job getting into the lane. With a slashing Daniels and a killer shooter in House we are all set.

Keep in mind too that Marbury very rarely played with the starters. I don't want him shooting the ball if he is in there with Ray, PP, KG etc. Rondo doesn't knock down shots with the starters either so that shouldn't exclude him from the role.

Marbury CAN shoot, but there's no reason for him to with House out there.  He takes over Rondo's role.
The problem is, Marbury, House, and Daniels could create some serious match-up issues.
We'd be better off with Marbury, House/Daniels, and Ray/Paul.

[Surferdad]

2 years ago I agree with the pro-Bowen crowd, but if he can't get in front of Daniels in the line-up then why? We need to go after a backup center vs. yet another wing. PG before that as well. He just won't see the floor enough to bother. I'd rather have a prospect than him because at least we can maybe end up with something.

I don't see why we would need Bowen to get in front of Daniels. I think the idea is to have Daniels play the bulk of the wing minutes, and have Bowen take the minutes that are lefts at SF (Since Daniels is more of a SG). House and Daniels would share the point guard responsibilities. In my opinion, what the team needs is a 4th wing (preferably one who can shoot the 3ball), and a 4th big (preferably one who can play center) as you said. Signing one shouldn't hurt our ability to get the other.

House or Daniels at point is NOT going to be a good thing. House is a two and when he plays the point it takes away everything that he does exceptionally well and turns him into a mediocre player. Daniels should be backing up PP and getting all those minutes. We need a true pg who can get the ball up the floor quickly and defend. This will allow us to run. If Daniels or House is at point we are a slow walk it up second unit. With no low post game we would be in trouble.

I highly doubt we're going to find the point guard you described. Marbury is probably the only point available that fits that description. In my opinion, the lack of shooting in a Marbury/House/Daniels along with the lack of size would hurt us more than having Daniels bring the ball up the court. Daniels is a good enough ball handler to succeed where the House/TA combo failed.

Marbury would be my first choice and it appears that if we want to offer him the vet min he will likely take it. House is in that group of 3 and we lack SHOOTING? House is one of the best in the NBA at that, and with Marbury's passing, Daniels ability to create movement with his slashing ability we should find a lot of open looks for House. How is the 2nd unit of Marbury, House, Daniels, BBD or Scal,  and Sheed not an amazing second unit?! Where would Bowen fit in that lineup?! On the bench, that's where.

I don't like resigning Marbury simply because he can't shoot. Have 2 out of 3 perimeter guys who can't shoot is having a lack of shooting. My main concern with the bench is having guys who can knock down open shots when they play with the starters, Marbury wasn't that guy last year.

Just because he didn't shake the rust off last year doesn't mean he can't shoot. The guy has made a career of knocking down shots and some time in the gym will cure that. Even if he doesn't return completely to form he was starting to do a better job getting into the lane. With a slashing Daniels and a killer shooter in House we are all set.

Keep in mind too that Marbury very rarely played with the starters. I don't want him shooting the ball if he is in there with Ray, PP, KG etc. Rondo doesn't knock down shots with the starters either so that shouldn't exclude him from the role.

Marbury CAN shoot, but there's no reason for him to with House out there.  He takes over Rondo's role.
The problem is, Marbury, House, and Daniels could create some serious match-up issues.
We'd be better off with Marbury, House/Daniels, and Ray/Paul.

Last season, House benefitted significantly from Marbury's presence on the floor, allowing him to be a true SG.  I would think Marbury would get a better start this year, being in training camp and learning the system.  His shot will come back.

[Fafnir]

Last season, House benefitted significantly from Marbury's presence on the floor, allowing him to be a true SG.  I would think Marbury would get a better start this year, being in training camp and learning the system.  His shot will come back.

House benefited, but the team really didn't all that much. House at the two gives up too much defensively and too many rebounds because House is very under sized at the 2.

It was an effective line up against small back courts, but frequently teams with bigger twos killed us when we used it.

[Fafnir]

2 years ago I agree with the pro-Bowen crowd, but if he can't get in front of Daniels in the line-up then why? We need to go after a backup center vs. yet another wing. PG before that as well. He just won't see the floor enough to bother. I'd rather have a prospect than him because at least we can maybe end up with something.

I don't see why we would need Bowen to get in front of Daniels. I think the idea is to have Daniels play the bulk of the wing minutes, and have Bowen take the minutes that are lefts at SF (Since Daniels is more of a SG). House and Daniels would share the point guard responsibilities. In my opinion, what the team needs is a 4th wing (preferably one who can shoot the 3ball), and a 4th big (preferably one who can play center) as you said. Signing one shouldn't hurt our ability to get the other.

House or Daniels at point is NOT going to be a good thing. House is a two and when he plays the point it takes away everything that he does exceptionally well and turns him into a mediocre player. Danies should be backing up PP and getting all those minutes. We need a true pg who can get the ball up the floor quickly and defend. This will allow us to run. If Daniels or House is at point we are a slow walk it up second unit. With no low post game we would be in trouble.

Why can't House guard the one and play the two on offense?

House was pretty effective in 07-08 anyways, so I think your claim that it takes away everything he does well is overblown.