2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[nickagneta]

Thoughts:


PG: Tony Parker/Mo Williams/Travis Diener/Sun Yue/ Nando De Colo
SG: Rudy Fernandez/Daequann Cook/ Wes Matthews
SF: Wilson Chandler/ Omri Casspi
PF: Boris Diaw/DJ White/Louis Amundson
C: Brook Lopez/ Andrea Bargnani/DJ Mbenga

I like Parker and Lopez and honestly, none of the other players appear to me to be anything more than soft outside shooters. You are very thin at the SF and PF positions. I would move Williams and Diaw and see if you could lure an All-Star caliber PF. I really think a player of that caliber really completes your starting five and helps to minimize your greatest weakness, a very soft bench. Not untalented, but soft. There's no real toughness there.

Well what kinda PF are you thinking? For Diaw and Mo Williams I don't think he does better than an Antawn Jamison type. Who fits their system best? I'd say Amare, but he's beyond that pricetag.

I don't know how Wilson Chandler gets labeled soft, but I think you guys are looking at the players and not the team. The players on this team fit very well together, and although they may be "soft" there is a ton of experience for such a young team. Are we the bad Boy Pistons? No. But are we a young, talented team with time to grow into a championship contender, heck yes.

Looking at your team I say you will probably get out-rebounded just about all the time and that your defensive efficiency will not be good. You're going to have to score...a lot, to win. Fast break basketball is the way to go but I see Parker as more of a half-court set type of PG and I don't see that you're going to get as much defensive rebounds as you will need to outlet the passes and break successfully enough.

[indeedproceed]

You need another SF though...Cassipi is projected as a slow 3, more 4 kinda guy..a real roughouser, right?

Nope:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Omri-Casspi-538/

You are correct

[Gomesfan]

Fake Atlanta Hawks
PG: Jose Calderon/Kyle Lowry/Ai/Damon Stoudamire
SG: Allen Iverson/T-mac/DeShawn/Riscky Davis
SF: Danny Granger/T-Mac/DeShawn Stevenson
PF: Jason Thompson/Craig Smith/Toine/Howard
 C: Roy Hibbert/Gadzuric/Hunter
     

 BENCH: Tracy McGrady-Kyle Lowry-DeShawn Stevenson-Ricky Davis-Craig-Smith-Dan Gradzuric-D Stoudamire steve Francis-Steve Hunter-Mouhamed Sene-Juwan Howard-Antoine Walker

I have T-mac coming off the bench because I think he would be better there than AI.
I plan to up grade at C via trade(if I am able to do so) I am very high on Thompson as some of you know, I believe he is the next coming of Big Al and will avg a Dbl Dbl this season and at the end of last year he was scoring high teens and low twenties per game.  I personally think AI and Calderon will play fine together with Jose stepping it up on defense and Ai Playing a mix of Pg Sg on offense along with Calderon.
What I like best about this team is that I drafted all these players through the draft or FA with no trades at this point, to me this team is pretty solid taking that into consideration.

What do you guys think? I  know its not a champion but I believe we can do some serious damage especially if we upgrade at starting C and add and remove some other pieces. Oh yeah and Danny Granger......Nuff said there he is an amazing scorer with a sky's the limit ceiling!

[indeedproceed]

Thoughts:


PG: Tony Parker/Mo Williams/Travis Diener/Sun Yue/ Nando De Colo
SG: Rudy Fernandez/Daequann Cook/ Wes Matthews
SF: Wilson Chandler/ Omri Casspi
PF: Boris Diaw/DJ White/Louis Amundson
C: Brook Lopez/ Andrea Bargnani/DJ Mbenga

I like Parker and Lopez and honestly, none of the other players appear to me to be anything more than soft outside shooters. You are very thin at the SF and PF positions. I would move Williams and Diaw and see if you could lure an All-Star caliber PF. I really think a player of that caliber really completes your starting five and helps to minimize your greatest weakness, a very soft bench. Not untalented, but soft. There's no real toughness there.

Well what kinda PF are you thinking? For Diaw and Mo Williams I don't think he does better than an Antawn Jamison type. Who fits their system best? I'd say Amare, but he's beyond that pricetag.

I don't know how Wilson Chandler gets labeled soft, but I think you guys are looking at the players and not the team. The players on this team fit very well together, and although they may be "soft" there is a ton of experience for such a young team. Are we the bad Boy Pistons? No. But are we a young, talented team with time to grow into a championship contender, heck yes.

Looking at your team I say you will probably get out-rebounded just about all the time and that your defensive efficiency will not be good. You're going to have to score...a lot, to win. Fast break basketball is the way to go but I see Parker as more of a half-court set type of PG and I don't see that you're going to get as much defensive rebounds as you will need to outlet the passes and break successfully enough.

I wanted to debunk your theory about rebounding, in that Brook Lopez is the real deal...and while he IS the real deal, he's not a terribly great rebounder, and that's where rookies usually excel.

[nickagneta]

Thoughts:


PG: Tony Parker/Mo Williams/Travis Diener/Sun Yue/ Nando De Colo
SG: Rudy Fernandez/Daequann Cook/ Wes Matthews
SF: Wilson Chandler/ Omri Casspi
PF: Boris Diaw/DJ White/Louis Amundson
C: Brook Lopez/ Andrea Bargnani/DJ Mbenga

I like Parker and Lopez and honestly, none of the other players appear to me to be anything more than soft outside shooters. You are very thin at the SF and PF positions. I would move Williams and Diaw and see if you could lure an All-Star caliber PF. I really think a player of that caliber really completes your starting five and helps to minimize your greatest weakness, a very soft bench. Not untalented, but soft. There's no real toughness there.

Well what kinda PF are you thinking? For Diaw and Mo Williams I don't think he does better than an Antawn Jamison type. Who fits their system best? I'd say Amare, but he's beyond that pricetag.

I don't know how Wilson Chandler gets labeled soft, but I think you guys are looking at the players and not the team. The players on this team fit very well together, and although they may be "soft" there is a ton of experience for such a young team. Are we the bad Boy Pistons? No. But are we a young, talented team with time to grow into a championship contender, heck yes.

Looking at your team I say you will probably get out-rebounded just about all the time and that your defensive efficiency will not be good. You're going to have to score...a lot, to win. Fast break basketball is the way to go but I see Parker as more of a half-court set type of PG and I don't see that you're going to get as much defensive rebounds as you will need to outlet the passes and break successfully enough.

I wanted to debunk your theory about rebounding, in that Brook Lopez is the real deal...and while he IS the real deal, he's not a terribly great rebounder, and that's where rookies usually excel.

Lopez and Chandler are good but not great rebounders. But Diaw, Bargani, sand the rest of the team are bad rebounders especially for their size. That team will get out rebounded on a night in and night out basis.

[bucknersrevenge]

Fake Atlanta Hawks
PG: Jose Calderon/Kyle Lowry/Ai/Damon Stoudamire
SG: Allen Iverson/T-mac/DeShawn/Riscky Davis
SF: Danny Granger/T-Mac/DeShawn Stevenson
PF: Jason Thompson/Craig Smith/Toine/Howard
 C: Roy Hibbert/Gadzuric/Hunter
     

 BENCH: Tracy McGrady-Kyle Lowry-DeShawn Stevenson-Ricky Davis-Craig-Smith-Dan Gradzuric-D Stoudamire steve Francis-Steve Hunter-Mouhamed Sene-Juwan Howard-Antoine Walker

I have T-mac coming off the bench because I think he would be better there than AI.
I plan to up grade at C via trade(if I am able to do so) I am very high on Thompson as some of you know, I believe he is the next coming of Big Al and will avg a Dbl Dbl this season and at the end of last year he was scoring high teens and low twenties per game.  I personally think AI and Calderon will play fine together with Jose stepping it up on defense and Ai Playing a mix of Pg Sg on offense along with Calderon.
What I like best about this team is that I drafted all these players through the draft or FA with no trades at this point, to me this team is pretty solid taking that into consideration.

What do you guys think? I  know its not a champion but I believe we can do some serious damage especially if we upgrade at starting C and add and remove some other pieces. Oh yeah and Danny Granger......Nuff said there he is an amazing scorer with a sky's the limit ceiling!

You have a lot of wings and 2guards on this team. I mean it's a certified logjam here and I'm still just not sure how they fit. Clearly a lot depends on whatever trade or trades you're trying to manufacture here. Guys like T-Mac and AI maybe veteran but both are used to playing major roles for their team. Your starting backcourt is gonna get abused on a daily basis. Penetration is gonna major issue for them; even moreso because you don't really have the type of guys behind them that can erase mistakes.

[Rondo2287]

What do you all think with my addition of Garcia?

PG:Miller/Watson/Maynor
SG:Garcia/Belinelli
SF:Artest/Finley/Carroll
PF:KG/Arthur
C:Camby/Big Z

[KCattheStripe]

Thoughts:


PG: Tony Parker/Mo Williams/Travis Diener/Sun Yue/ Nando De Colo
SG: Rudy Fernandez/Daequann Cook/ Wes Matthews
SF: Wilson Chandler/ Omri Casspi
PF: Boris Diaw/DJ White/Louis Amundson
C: Brook Lopez/ Andrea Bargnani/DJ Mbenga

I like Parker and Lopez and honestly, none of the other players appear to me to be anything more than soft outside shooters. You are very thin at the SF and PF positions. I would move Williams and Diaw and see if you could lure an All-Star caliber PF. I really think a player of that caliber really completes your starting five and helps to minimize your greatest weakness, a very soft bench. Not untalented, but soft. There's no real toughness there.

Well what kinda PF are you thinking? For Diaw and Mo Williams I don't think he does better than an Antawn Jamison type. Who fits their system best? I'd say Amare, but he's beyond that pricetag.

I don't know how Wilson Chandler gets labeled soft, but I think you guys are looking at the players and not the team. The players on this team fit very well together, and although they may be "soft" there is a ton of experience for such a young team. Are we the bad Boy Pistons? No. But are we a young, talented team with time to grow into a championship contender, heck yes.

Looking at your team I say you will probably get out-rebounded just about all the time and that your defensive efficiency will not be good. You're going to have to score...a lot, to win. Fast break basketball is the way to go but I see Parker as more of a half-court set type of PG and I don't see that you're going to get as much defensive rebounds as you will need to outlet the passes and break successfully enough.

I wanted to debunk your theory about rebounding, in that Brook Lopez is the real deal...and while he IS the real deal, he's not a terribly great rebounder, and that's where rookies usually excel.

Lopez and Chandler are good but not great rebounders. But Diaw, Bargani, sand the rest of the team are bad rebounders especially for their size. That team will get out rebounded on a night in and night out basis.

At 6-8 Diaw isn't a bad rebounder for his size. I don't see Rudy's 2.7 a game as bad for his size, and I think TP's 3.1 is very good especially considering the size. I also think that given the fact that Lopez has been in the league one year and you already qualify him as a "good rebounder" shows that he has the chance to greatly improve. Couple that with the fact that he's already an elite defender and you've got a low post anchor.

I disagree that this team needs to run a fast break offense to succeed. Only one player on the starting was on a team that ran a fast break offense (Chandler). My two bigs were on teams where they played off a penetrating PG, Diaw in Charlotte (where he had one of his better seasons) and Lopez in New jersey. TP played in a similar system except he was the penetrating PG. Rudy played on a team where they played off Roy's penetration as did Cook in Miami and Mo Williams in Cleveland.

[KCattheStripe]

You need another SF though...Cassipi is projected as a slow 3, more 4 kinda guy..a real roughouser, right?

Nope:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Omri-Casspi-538/

You are correct

I do my research, thats how I knew about Josh Howard.

[RebusRankin]

When does the Pacific do their press conferences? I'm not back till late tommorow. PM me please.

Oh and fear the Buffalo Braves.

[nickagneta]

Thoughts:


PG: Tony Parker/Mo Williams/Travis Diener/Sun Yue/ Nando De Colo
SG: Rudy Fernandez/Daequann Cook/ Wes Matthews
SF: Wilson Chandler/ Omri Casspi
PF: Boris Diaw/DJ White/Louis Amundson
C: Brook Lopez/ Andrea Bargnani/DJ Mbenga

I like Parker and Lopez and honestly, none of the other players appear to me to be anything more than soft outside shooters. You are very thin at the SF and PF positions. I would move Williams and Diaw and see if you could lure an All-Star caliber PF. I really think a player of that caliber really completes your starting five and helps to minimize your greatest weakness, a very soft bench. Not untalented, but soft. There's no real toughness there.

Well what kinda PF are you thinking? For Diaw and Mo Williams I don't think he does better than an Antawn Jamison type. Who fits their system best? I'd say Amare, but he's beyond that pricetag.

I don't know how Wilson Chandler gets labeled soft, but I think you guys are looking at the players and not the team. The players on this team fit very well together, and although they may be "soft" there is a ton of experience for such a young team. Are we the bad Boy Pistons? No. But are we a young, talented team with time to grow into a championship contender, heck yes.

Looking at your team I say you will probably get out-rebounded just about all the time and that your defensive efficiency will not be good. You're going to have to score...a lot, to win. Fast break basketball is the way to go but I see Parker as more of a half-court set type of PG and I don't see that you're going to get as much defensive rebounds as you will need to outlet the passes and break successfully enough.

I wanted to debunk your theory about rebounding, in that Brook Lopez is the real deal...and while he IS the real deal, he's not a terribly great rebounder, and that's where rookies usually excel.

Lopez and Chandler are good but not great rebounders. But Diaw, Bargani, sand the rest of the team are bad rebounders especially for their size. That team will get out rebounded on a night in and night out basis.

At 6-8 Diaw isn't a bad rebounder for his size. I don't see Rudy's 2.7 a game as bad for his size, and I think TP's 3.1 is very good especially considering the size. I also think that given the fact that Lopez has been in the league one year and you already qualify him as a "good rebounder" shows that he has the chance to greatly improve. Couple that with the fact that he's already an elite defender and you've got a low post anchor.

I disagree that this team needs to run a fast break offense to succeed. Only one player on the starting was on a team that ran a fast break offense (Chandler). My two bigs were on teams where they played off a penetrating PG, Diaw in Charlotte (where he had one of his better seasons) and Lopez in New jersey. TP played in a similar system except he was the penetrating PG. Rudy played on a team where they played off Roy's penetration as did Cook in Miami and Mo Williams in Cleveland.

Diaw is a 6-8 PF that gets moved easily by bigger guys and had a little over 5 RPG in over 31 MPG last year. That is bad for a PF.

Lopez is a good rebounder. He might put up more rebounds in longer minutes but I don't see his rebounding rate changing significantly.

2.7 RPG out of your starting SG is horrible.

I will grant you that Parker has decent rebounding numbers and if he didn't play with a fabulous rebounder in TD he might stay back more and increase his numbers.

Grab yourself a rebounding fool of a big man before the deadline closes. I think it would mean great things for your team. I hear Troy Murphy is up for grabs. Real good fit at the 4 for you!!!

[nickagneta]

Okay guys, so with the possible exception of cutting Goran Suton to add a SG/SF type as my 14th man, here are the Washington DC Boxers:

Starters
C:  Joel Przybilla
PF: Luis Scola
SF: Gerald Wallace
SG: Stephen Jackson
PG: Ramon Sessions

Bench
C:  Dan Gadzuric/Darko Milicic
PF: Darko Milicic/Juwan Howard/Kris Humphries
SF: Julian Wright
SG: Anthony Morrow
PG: George Hill

Inactive/NBDL/Overseas
Tyronne Lue/Goran Suton/Pooh Jeter

My rotation is going to be such that I try to avoid at all costs not having two of the following three players on the floor at all times, Sessions, Jackson, and Wallace. The big man rotation will be mainly Scola, Przybilla and Darko though I do expect for Gadzuric to get 8-10 MPG but a Gadzuric/Darko tandem will be avoided. Morrow and Hill will see the other majority of bench minutes but I expect that Julian Wright is going to see more and more minutes as the year progresses because in the real NBA he is being slotted as possibly starting in front of Peja this year for the Hornets.

[johnnyrondo]

I really like how your team turned out. Looks like all the parts fit well together. Your backup backcourt is no joke either.

[wdleehi]

The Nuggets in it's post draft/pre trade form.

PG  Conley   Foye   M. Collins
SG  Pietrus  Azubuike
SF  J Green   B. Wright  Gist
PF  Haslem    Love     superSub Scali
C   Oden       Boone   Dwayne Jones

Inj/trade bait Ming.   Key to adding offensive threat in the future.

Like said before, plenty of positions to be won.  A lot of linup combos to try out.

(Slowly trying to return the favor to those GMs that gave the Rockets a thoughtful critique and/or compliments. Milwaukee is up next.)

There is a lot to like in Denver, and the number of two-way and second-effort players on this team ensures that Nuggets will steal some wins from more established squads.

I also admire Denver’s efforts to put Oden in a position to thrive - top frontcourt running mates, a solid, physical, backup, and the best possible mentor. (Assuming Ming can be on the sidelines and at practices, I love Yao as a coach for the NBA’s next great center.) The team even reached on his college roomate  .

I’m an avowed Foye fan, although believe that, like Delonte West, he’s most comfortable at the 2. And I’m also a big Jeff Green booster, but prefer him at the 4. (Possible conclusion? Nuggets and Rockets both have good talent evaluation but clear philosophical differences?)

My chief worry? Despite management's stated preference for competitive practices and minutes according to merit, the absence of defined roles and lack of separation at certain positions could hinder player development. (Team’s overall high character being an asset but not a fix.) Conley justified his draft position at the end of his sophomore season, partly helped by a trade that sent his competition for the starting job out of town. Foye has previously chafed at coming off the bench, and can likely outplay Pietrus and Azubuike on one end of the court, if not the other. Green might easily overshadow a still inconsistent Wright. And I’m already penciling in Love as a starter over Haslem (another player I like).

What can I say, I like size down low.


Ever since I saw how the Celtics were limited during the Pierce/Walker years.  Two guys that had top 10 talent, but had not size talent to help them. 

I still think the years of playing PF destroyed Walkers legs and hurt his later career with the Celtics.  He could have been one of the top 2 or 3 SFs of his era. 

[riah32]

Deshawn stevenson is available pm with offers willing to package him with sean marks if anyone wants him and maybe a few others on my bench but all depends on the offer....