2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[Roy Hobbs]

OK, fire away;

PG: Tony Parker/ Mo Williams
SG:Rudy Fernandez/ Daequann Cook
SF: Wilson Chandler/ Omri Casspi
PF: Boris Diaw/ DJ White
C: Brook Lopez/ Andrea Bargnani

Solid team, a little young, but Parker brings some championship experience, and Diaw has been in high pressure situations. Not a chip contender but possible mid to late seed playoff.

I think we win our division and that goes a long way to us making the playoffs. Also, I think we're front runners for team of the future. I was amazed how similar Gay and Rudy's numbers were.

Rudy Gay: 19 ppg , 5.5 boards, 1.7 assts , 1.2 stl , 1 blk
Chandler; 14 ppg, 5.4 boards, 2.1 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk.

And Chandler is a year younger.

I haven't analyzed your division yet, but I like the trade for you a lot.  As IP says, they're a little young, but you definitely got significantly better.

My only question:  is Mo the type of guy who is okay with coming off the bench?  He seems like a bit of a loud mouth.

[JSD]

Maybe change from your quantity over quality approach pre-draft?

Objectively, we have both.  If you don't think our players are "quality", then I don't know what to tell you.

Ugh... I wasn't referring to your players...

If you aren't referring to our players, I guess I'm confused what the criticism is.  We could go two ways: more talent or less.  We took "more".

Revert to my OP.

[Roy Hobbs]

Maybe change from your quantity over quality approach pre-draft?

Objectively, we have both.  If you don't think our players are "quality", then I don't know what to tell you.

Ugh... I wasn't referring to your players...

If you aren't referring to our players, I guess I'm confused what the criticism is.  We could go two ways: more talent or less.  We took "more".

Revert to my OP.

Right.  We should stop drafting after the 5th round.  I got that.

It just seems like you'd like our team better if it was:

Shaq/scrub/scrub
Rashard/O'Neal/scrub
Manu/scrub/scrub
Redd/Delonte/scrub
Bibby/scrub/scrub

... rather than looking at how these guys in real life have fit into their roles.

[KCattheStripe]

OK, fire away;

PG: Tony Parker/ Mo Williams
SG:Rudy Fernandez/ Daequann Cook
SF: Wilson Chandler/ Omri Casspi
PF: Boris Diaw/ DJ White
C: Brook Lopez/ Andrea Bargnani

Solid team, a little young, but Parker brings some championship experience, and Diaw has been in high pressure situations. Not a chip contender but possible mid to late seed playoff.

I think we win our division and that goes a long way to us making the playoffs. Also, I think we're front runners for team of the future. I was amazed how similar Gay and Rudy's numbers were.

Rudy Gay: 19 ppg , 5.5 boards, 1.7 assts , 1.2 stl , 1 blk
Chandler; 14 ppg, 5.4 boards, 2.1 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk.

And Chandler is a year younger.

I haven't analyzed your division yet, but I like the trade for you a lot.  As IP says, they're a little young, but you definitely got significantly better.

My only question:  is Mo the type of guy who is okay with coming off the bench?  He seems like a bit of a loud mouth.

I think Mo is a loud mouth when he thinks his team is good. That to me  means he recognizes and appreciates talent. And if he's got TP in front of him, I think he'll accept that back up guard role. As well as being our teams mouth and give us swagger.

[ChampKind]

OK, fire away;

PG: Tony Parker/ Mo Williams
SG:Rudy Fernandez/ Daequann Cook
SF: Wilson Chandler/ Omri Casspi
PF: Boris Diaw/ DJ White
C: Brook Lopez/ Andrea Bargnani

Solid team, a little young, but Parker brings some championship experience, and Diaw has been in high pressure situations. Not a chip contender but possible mid to late seed playoff.

I think we win our division and that goes a long way to us making the playoffs. Also, I think we're front runners for team of the future. I was amazed how similar Gay and Rudy's numbers were.

Rudy Gay: 19 ppg , 5.5 boards, 1.7 assts , 1.2 stl , 1 blk
Chandler; 14 ppg, 5.4 boards, 2.1 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk.

And Chandler is a year younger.

I haven't analyzed your division yet, but I like the trade for you a lot.  As IP says, they're a little young, but you definitely got significantly better.

My only question:  is Mo the type of guy who is okay with coming off the bench?  He seems like a bit of a loud mouth.

He came off the bench in Milwaukee for extended periods, I think he can handle it.  The backcourt looks good, it's just the frontcourt I'm worried about.  Poor Brook Lopez is gonna get lonely in the middle, although he'll pull down a tone of rebounds if he's playing alongside Diaw and Bargs.

[Rondo2287]

Maybe change from your quantity over quality approach pre-draft?

Objectively, we have both.  If you don't think our players are "quality", then I don't know what to tell you.

Ugh... I wasn't referring to your players...

If you aren't referring to our players, I guess I'm confused what the criticism is.  We could go two ways: more talent or less.  We took "more".

Revert to my OP.

Right.  We should stop drafting after the 5th round.  I got that.

It just seems like you'd like our team better if it was:

Shaq/scrub/scrub
Rashard/O'Neal/scrub
Manu/scrub/scrub
Redd/Delonte/scrub
Bibby/scrub/scrub

... rather than looking at how these guys in real life have fit into their roles.

Ya there is no footing on this less talent is better thing.  I guess the question is would it be better if Roy drafted worse players because they wouldnt have as "hard" a time accepting their roles coming off the bench.  I think this answer is obviously no. 

[JSD]

Maybe change from your quantity over quality approach pre-draft?

Objectively, we have both.  If you don't think our players are "quality", then I don't know what to tell you.

Ugh... I wasn't referring to your players...

If you aren't referring to our players, I guess I'm confused what the criticism is.  We could go two ways: more talent or less.  We took "more".

Revert to my OP.

Right.  We should stop drafting after the 5th round.  I got that.

It just seems like you'd like our team better if it was:

Shaq/scrub/scrub
Rashard/O'Neal/scrub
Manu/scrub/scrub
Redd/Delonte/scrub
Bibby/scrub/scrub

... rather than looking at how these guys in real life have fit into their roles.

I do not classify a supportive player with a good attitude, work ethic and realistic outlook of his own talent as a "scrub". That person would be more of an asset than Player X (Michael Redd?) sulking on the bench because he's not on the floor down the stretch.

[nickagneta]

Roy when I see your team I see the 2003-2004 Los Angeles Lakers

Horace Grant
Karl Malone
Gary Payton
Rick Fox
Byron Russell
Shaq
Kobe
Devean George
Ime Udoka
Derek Fischer

Yeah ten deep and all talented....at one point. But I lot of that talent was old and got slow and tired and injured fast and were on the serious downside of their careers.

And it didn't work out to well for that team as they completely blew it up because they realized their mistake.

Sorry dude. That Laker team went deep and faltered. I think your team will too.

[Roy Hobbs]

I do not classify a supportive player with a good attitude, work ethic and realistic outlook of his own talent as a "scrub". That person would be more of an asset than Player X (Michael Redd?) sulking on the bench because he's not on the floor down the stretch.

True.  Because guys like Ryan Gomes, Brad Miller, etc. don't have good work ethics and good attitudes.

When has Michael Redd not been a class act?  Type "Michael Redd attitude" into google.  Please.

[KCattheStripe]

OK, fire away;

PG: Tony Parker/ Mo Williams
SG:Rudy Fernandez/ Daequann Cook
SF: Wilson Chandler/ Omri Casspi
PF: Boris Diaw/ DJ White
C: Brook Lopez/ Andrea Bargnani

Solid team, a little young, but Parker brings some championship experience, and Diaw has been in high pressure situations. Not a chip contender but possible mid to late seed playoff.

I think we win our division and that goes a long way to us making the playoffs. Also, I think we're front runners for team of the future. I was amazed how similar Gay and Rudy's numbers were.

Rudy Gay: 19 ppg , 5.5 boards, 1.7 assts , 1.2 stl , 1 blk
Chandler; 14 ppg, 5.4 boards, 2.1 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk.

And Chandler is a year younger.

I haven't analyzed your division yet, but I like the trade for you a lot.  As IP says, they're a little young, but you definitely got significantly better.

My only question:  is Mo the type of guy who is okay with coming off the bench?  He seems like a bit of a loud mouth.

He came off the bench in Milwaukee for extended periods, I think he can handle it.  The backcourt looks good, it's just the frontcourt I'm worried about.  Poor Brook Lopez is gonna get lonely in the middle, although he'll pull down a tone of rebounds if he's playing alongside Diaw and Bargs.

With Tony and Chandler, I like having Diaw and Bargs unclogging the middle and letting those two have open driving lanes. They also give room for Lopez to use any of his arsenal of post moves. Also, Bargs is an underrated help defender and you ignore how useful Diaw is with a driving point guard. His passing and shooting ability helped make Phoenix as good as they were. And he was the big reason Charlotte improved after that trade, those same abilities gave Felton a weapon and made more room in the post for Okafor.

[Roy Hobbs]

Roy when I see your team I see the 2003-2004 Los Angeles Lakers

Horace Grant
Karl Malone
Gary Payton
Rick Fox
Byron Russell
Shaq
Kobe
Devean George
Ime Udoka
Derek Fischer

Yeah ten deep and all talented....at one point. But I lot of that talent was old and got slow and tired and injured fast and were on the serious downside of their careers.

And it didn't work out to well for that team as they completely blew it up because they realized their mistake.

Sorry dude. That Laker team went deep and faltered. I think your team will too.

Criticism is fine.  However, I think our team is a little more talented than the Lakers were; Malone and Payton were broken down at that point.  Also, if Kobe didn't choke, they would have been fine.

[Rondo2287]

No love for my extensive write ups

[JSD]

I do not classify a supportive player with a good attitude, work ethic and realistic outlook of his own talent as a "scrub". That person would be more of an asset than Player X (Michael Redd?) sulking on the bench because he's not on the floor down the stretch.

True.  Because guys like Ryan Gomes, Brad Miller, etc. don't have good work ethics and good attitudes.

When has Michael Redd not been a class act?  Type "Michael Redd attitude" into google.  Please.

I know Redd in an alter boy and that's not my point. Your talking in circles  and making excuses when its very simple: Define roles and breakdown the minutes. Otherwise I have more questions than necessary.

[Rondo2287]

I do not classify a supportive player with a good attitude, work ethic and realistic outlook of his own talent as a "scrub". That person would be more of an asset than Player X (Michael Redd?) sulking on the bench because he's not on the floor down the stretch.

True.  Because guys like Ryan Gomes, Brad Miller, etc. don't have good work ethics and good attitudes.

When has Michael Redd not been a class act?  Type "Michael Redd attitude" into google.  Please.

I know Redd in an alter boy. That's not my point. Your talking in circles  and making excuses when its very simple: Define roles and breakdown the minutes. Otherwise I have more questions than necessary.

You have made your point.....

[Roy Hobbs]

I do not classify a supportive player with a good attitude, work ethic and realistic outlook of his own talent as a "scrub". That person would be more of an asset than Player X (Michael Redd?) sulking on the bench because he's not on the floor down the stretch.

True.  Because guys like Ryan Gomes, Brad Miller, etc. don't have good work ethics and good attitudes.

When has Michael Redd not been a class act?  Type "Michael Redd attitude" into google.  Please.

I know Redd in an alter boy and that's not my point. Your talking in circles  and making excuses when its very simple: Define roles and breakdown the minutes. Otherwise I have more questions than necessary.

We've given you our nine-man rotation.  We've told you that they'll be playing 25 - 30 minutes each per game.  What do you want?  "Delonte West will be playing 25.2 minutes per game, as the 2nd man off the bench?"