2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[indeedproceed]

Starting 5 for starting 5:

Rondo v Bibby
Josh Howard V Redd
T Outlaw V Lewis
Al Jefferson V J O'Neal
J Pryzvilla V O'Neal

I think I got you. Al Jefferson is one of the best low post scorers in basketball, so I don't think Jermain O'Neal holds him under 20 points. Travis Outlaw is probably one of the better matchups Rashard Lewis has in the NBA, Josh Howard is fast, younger, and stronger than Micheal Redd, and Rondo vs Bibby we all understand by now. Shaq is the better offensive player than Pryzbilla, but JP rebounded better, he blocked more shots, and he plays better defense. Shaq's not dominating anyone on my team.

Matter fact I think I got the best team in the West. Prove me wrong.

Starting 5 I say goes to Suns.

You have two non-factors in terms of shooting in your lineup, and your bigs clog the lane for Rondo.  Travis Outlaw just isn't that good.

Shaq plays Big Al, not Jermaine.  We'll probably double him constantly, because JP and Rondo can't make us pay.

It's a good, young lineup, but I don't think it's a contender.

Also, Manu destroys you.

Rondo can't make you pay? Come on. Maybe not with a trey, but I got 35% plus shooters on the wings.

I got Josh Howard's midrange J in Redd's face.

Travis Outlaw isn't that good? Travis Outlaw and Rashard Lewis have almost identical stats, excepting the fact that Lewis played more minutes, so he fulfilled more of his 23.5 pp48 rate, while Travis only got to 12 of his 22.5.

Roy a lot of people make the mistake that just because a player is on TV a lot they're exceptional in ways they are not. Rashard Lewis just isn't that good.

Big Al is going to abuse Shaq. He's just gotta start out 4 more feet away from the basket to get his face up game going.

Travis Outlaw is a 37% 3 pt shooter. Micheal Redd is a 36% 3 pt shooter. Don't sleep on them cuz ya don't know them.

[Scribbles]

Billups                    Bibby
Dunleavy                   Redd
Miles                      Lewis
Nowitzki                   O'Neal
Kaman                      O'Neal
---------       vs.        ------------  
Collison                   Manu
Flip Murray                Gomes
R. Lopez                   Turiaf
A. Wright                  Miller
                           Holiday
                           Ross
                           Dudley

Obviously, I think you have the better and deeper team however I think on any given day my team could beat Portland.  I think a big key for both of us is how healthy our SG's will be next season.  

I think Billups v Bibby matchup goes in my favor just because Billups plays some defense.  

The SG matchup of Dunleavy/Miles vs Redd/Manu is no contest in your favor. Sure Dunleavy can pass and score but he's an average defender and a healthy Manu will torch him.

SF no contest again, Lewis will dominate Miles and Wright.

PF matchup is in my favor by a lot imo.  Jermaine can't stick with Dirk and Turiaf gives nice effort but is only 6'8 or 6'9. You could go small and put Lewis  or Gomes on him, but even then he'd still score.  

C is close imo.  Sure Shaq still has a couple years in the tank, and Miller is a great backup, but Kaman is real solid and I think Lopez is going to get a ton of minutes next year and prove he's every bit as good as his brother Brook who was taken way earlier.  It's still in your favor however, but slightly.

Bench hands down in your favor.  You have Manu, Gomes, and Miller all coming off the bench and any one of them can score 20 in a game.  The only two bench players that are proven are Collison and Flip, though I think Lopez will prove this year he is a solid bench players as well.

Your team is better, but again in a 7 game series I think my team could take yours.  Of course I'd have to get by Seattle first and that's a whole different game.  Tough division/conference!

[Roy Hobbs]

Two things, IP:

1) Did you watch Rondo on the Celts last year?  Did you listen to Doc's comments?  His poor jump shot hurts the team, because they can double off of him.  That's really going to hurt you, with another liability in JP; and

2) Rashard Lewis is, in fact, pretty [dang] good, as based upon his play in last year's Finals, including multiple clutch shots.

I mean, after the season and playoff run Rashard just had, it's hard to take you seriously when you say things like that.

[Roy Hobbs]

Billups                    Bibby
Dunleavy                   Redd
Miles                      Lewis
Nowitzki                   O'Neal
Kaman                      O'Neal
---------       vs.        ------------  
Collison                   Manu
Flip Murray                Gomes
R. Lopez                   Turiaf
A. Wright                  Miller
                           Holiday
                           Ross
                           Dudley

Obviously, I think you have the better and deeper team however I think on any given day my team could beat Portland.  I think a big key for both of us is how healthy our SG's will be next season.  

I think Billups v Bibby matchup goes in my favor just because Billups plays some defense.  

The SG matchup of Dunleavy/Miles vs Redd/Manu is no contest in your favor. Sure Dunleavy can pass and score but he's an average defender and a healthy Manu will torch him.

SF no contest again, Lewis will dominate Miles and Wright.

PF matchup is in my favor by a lot imo.  Jermaine can't stick with Dirk and Turiaf gives nice effort but is only 6'8 or 6'9. You could go small and put Lewis  or Gomes on him, but even then he'd still score.  

C is close imo.  Sure Shaq still has a couple years in the tank, and Miller is a great backup, but Kaman is real solid and I think Lopez is going to get a ton of minutes next year and prove he's every bit as good as his brother Brook who was taken way earlier.  It's still in your favor however, but slightly.

Bench hands down in your favor.  You have Manu, Gomes, and Miller all coming off the bench and any one of them can score 20 in a game.  The only two bench players that are proven are Collison and Flip, though I think Lopez will prove this year he is a solid bench players as well.

Your team is better, but again in a 7 game series I think my team could take yours.  Of course I'd have to get by Seattle first and that's a whole different game.  Tough division/conference!

I think we're not too far off in our assessments of each other's teams.  The only area I disagree slightly is that I think Shaq will man-handle Kaman, even at this stage. 

I like your team a lot.  Chauncey is trouble, and Dirk is often underrated on this site, but is a legit star.  I really like Dunleavy, and think he's a great fit.

If we're healthy, I like us against you, and anybody else.  However, if we break down, both you and Seattle will be challengers.

[indeedproceed]

Two things, IP:

1) Did you watch Rondo on the Celts last year?  Did you listen to Doc's comments?  His poor jump shot hurts the team, because they can double off of him.  That's really going to hurt you, with another liability in JP; and

2) Rashard Lewis is, in fact, pretty [dang] good, as based upon his play in last year's Finals, including multiple clutch shots.

I mean, after the season and playoff run Rashard just had, it's hard to take you seriously when you say things like that.

Travis Outlaw, game winners, career: 6 for 7.

Rashard Lewis, game winners, career: 10 for 26

Rashard Lewis does marginally better in cluch statistics, averaging 28pp48 to Outlaw's 23.5.

Outlaw is also 4 years younger. Ya can't teach youth, huh?

Another thing you can't teach is size, and Travis Out-lizzy, as Josh Howard calls him, is 6-9 and long enough to handle ya boy.

Regards to Rajon Rondo...I'm confident that both by backup points, Roger Mason JR and Nate Robinson can both get past the laugher that is Mike Bibby. Now Delonte might cause more problems, but I don't think he's anything RMJR can't handle.


The Phoenix Suns will be your Waterloo, Roy Hobbs.

[KCattheStripe]

PG: TP
SG: Dae Dae
SF: Rudy
PF: Diaw
C: Brook
6th: Bargs
7th: Mo Evans
8th: JJ Barea


I like us to make the playoffs and contend 2-3 years from now.

[riah32]

I think the Kings will be very competitve even with the young guns at point and on the bench so far.

[Donoghus]

30 Team Roster Page is now updated through the end of 9th round

[celtsrp33]

Thru 9

PG - Ramon Sessions
SG - Nick Young
SF - Nicolas Batum
PF - Tyrus Thomas
C -  Spencer Hawes
Bench: James Harden, Marreese Speights, Anthony Morrow, JJ Redick, Yi ,Jordan Hill

What do you guys think?

I dont think theres any way you win more than 20 games honestly

I know that you are trying to go young, but the only member of your starting lineup that I think has a chance to be a top 30 player is Hawes

Harden, Speights, Hill...?

[KCattheStripe]

Thru 9

PG - Ramon Sessions
SG - Nick Young
SF - Nicolas Batum
PF - Tyrus Thomas
C -  Spencer Hawes
Bench: James Harden, Marreese Speights, Anthony Morrow, JJ Redick, Yi ,Jordan Hill

What do you guys think?

I dont think theres any way you win more than 20 games honestly

I know that you are trying to go young, but the only member of your starting lineup that I think has a chance to be a top 30 player is Hawes

Harden, Speights, Hill...?

No, No and no.

[Hoyo de Monterrey]

This reminds me of the NBA back when Shaq was with the Lakers. At any given time, 6 of the best 7 teams in the NBA or so came out of the west.

The Northwest in particular is brutally tough this year... Has to be the best division in the league.

[indeedproceed]

Thru 9

PG - Ramon Sessions
SG - Nick Young
SF - Nicolas Batum
PF - Tyrus Thomas
C -  Spencer Hawes
Bench: James Harden, Marreese Speights, Anthony Morrow, JJ Redick, Yi ,Jordan Hill

What do you guys think?

I dont think theres any way you win more than 20 games honestly

I know that you are trying to go young, but the only member of your starting lineup that I think has a chance to be a top 30 player is Hawes

Harden, Speights, Hill...?

I think he said just your starting 5, but if given minutes, I think both Sessions and Hawes can do it.

The question I'm askin though is why are you starting Nick Young and Tyrus Thomas. i think both Harden and Speights are better options, and while they're right, you're not winning 30 games, Harden is the most NBA ready Rookie of this class, excepting Blake Griffin. Speights has a higher ceiling than Thomas.

[Roy Hobbs]

This reminds me of the NBA back when Shaq was with the Lakers. At any given time, 6 of the best 7 teams in the NBA or so came out of the west.

The Northwest in particular is brutally tough this year... Has to be the best division in the league.

Yeah, people were sleeping on the division (and the conference) a little earlier, and now, not so much.

[indeedproceed]

The (Almost Finished) Phoenix Suns:

Rajon Rondo/Nate Robinson/Roger Mason Jr
Josh Howard/Roger Mason Jr/Kyle Korver
Travis Outlaw/Bruce Bowen/Kyle Korver
Al Jefferson/Chuck Hayes/Travis Outlaw
Joel Przbilla/Al Jefferson/Darko Milicic.

One more piece. Two more picks. Only the strong survive.

[KCattheStripe]

My take on the western playoff picture:

After teams 1-2 there is a serious drop off:

1. Golden State Warriors
2: Buffalo Braves
3. Portland Crotonats
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Seattle Supersonics
6. Memphis Grizzlies
7. Utah jazz
8. Houston Rockets

Teams that just missed:

Dallas- There's a lot of talent, I just don't see how the pieces fit together.

Denver- No leader and no superstar until Yao comes back.

Minnesota- Zach Randolph is not a good sign, and I'm worried about Jameer's lack of a back upthis late in the draft.

Sacramento- The points are young, but exceptionally talented, and there's no one backing up the injury prone Chandler.

My two cents.