Done with Wings. What r we doing to fill the low post lunch box?

[BrickJames]

They tryna put me in a low post lunch box..but it's impossible...

[Bankshot]

They tryna put me in a low post lunch box..but it's impossible...

Marbury is that you? 

[blceltsfan]

I agree...I'm not thinking about him as a contributor. I'm thinking of the value of his past contributions and wondering who will fill that role in 09-10.

The concensus is saying Sheed.

I have my doubts.

You think Powe is a better player than Sheed?

I think they are different kind of players. Sheed is an exceptional pickup, but not a "superstar" as someone labeled him above.

Is this role player a great need? We'll see, but would it add strength to a team that's stacked with a multitude of face up bigs, 15-18 feet away from the basket.

[BrickJames]

I agree...I'm not thinking about him as a contributor. I'm thinking of the value of his past contributions and wondering who will fill that role in 09-10.

The concensus is saying Sheed.

I have my doubts.

You think Powe is a better player than Sheed?

I think they are different kind of players. Sheed is an exceptional pickup, but not a "superstar" as someone labeled him above.

Is this role player a great need? We'll see, but would it add strength to a team that's stacked with a multitude of face up bigs, 15-18 feet away from the basket.

You think Powe is a better player than Sheed?

Still didn't answer the question...

[Fafnir]

I agree...I'm not thinking about him as a contributor. I'm thinking of the value of his past contributions and wondering who will fill that role in 09-10.

The concensus is saying Sheed.

I have my doubts.

You think Powe is a better player than Sheed?

I think they are different kind of players. Sheed is an exceptional pickup, but not a "superstar" as someone labeled him above.

Is this role player a great need? We'll see, but would it add strength to a team that's stacked with a multitude of face up bigs, 15-18 feet away from the basket.

I think we're already a big and strong team, in fact Sheed is bigger and stronger than Powe.

I'd like to add that Powe's low post game wasn't that crucial to the C's. His exceptionally low assist rate kept us from running any sort of offense through him. Powe's true value was that he's one of the league's best rebounders. He's only slightly worse on the defensive glass than Sheed, despite their large size difference. Meanwhile he sucks in offensive rebounds.

[BrickJames]

I agree...I'm not thinking about him as a contributor. I'm thinking of the value of his past contributions and wondering who will fill that role in 09-10.

The concensus is saying Sheed.

I have my doubts.

You think Powe is a better player than Sheed?

I think they are different kind of players. Sheed is an exceptional pickup, but not a "superstar" as someone labeled him above.

Is this role player a great need? We'll see, but would it add strength to a team that's stacked with a multitude of face up bigs, 15-18 feet away from the basket.

I think we're already a big and strong team, in fact Sheed is bigger and stronger than Powe.

I'd like to add that Powe's low post game wasn't that crucial to the C's. His exceptionally low assist rate kept us from running any sort of offense through him. Powe's true value was that he's one of the league's best rebounders. He's only slightly worse on the defensive glass than Sheed, despite their large size difference. Meanwhile he sucks in offensive rebounds.

Powe is not a good rebounder.  He's NEVER blocked out because people are blocking out KP, KG, and even Rondo.

And his post game is pretty bad IMO.  He's got a soft touch but lets see him 1) score consistently in a double team or 2) score with a 7 footer guarding him.

Sheed does both of those things (and he can shoot a three with either hand).

The fact that I'm actually having to make the argument that Sheed is way better than Powe in every way imaginable makes me question how much of a "sports town" Boston really is.

[vjcsmoke]

Perkins is purely a post player.  So I don't see the problem.  He's no Hakeem 'the Dream' but he offers solid double double production in the paint night in and night out.

[Fafnir]

I agree...I'm not thinking about him as a contributor. I'm thinking of the value of his past contributions and wondering who will fill that role in 09-10.

The concensus is saying Sheed.

I have my doubts.

You think Powe is a better player than Sheed?

I think they are different kind of players. Sheed is an exceptional pickup, but not a "superstar" as someone labeled him above.

Is this role player a great need? We'll see, but would it add strength to a team that's stacked with a multitude of face up bigs, 15-18 feet away from the basket.

I think we're already a big and strong team, in fact Sheed is bigger and stronger than Powe.

I'd like to add that Powe's low post game wasn't that crucial to the C's. His exceptionally low assist rate kept us from running any sort of offense through him. Powe's true value was that he's one of the league's best rebounders. He's only slightly worse on the defensive glass than Sheed, despite their large size difference. Meanwhile he sucks in offensive rebounds.

Powe is not a good rebounder.  He's NEVER blocked out because people are blocking out KP, KG, and even Rondo.

Uh what? He has a rebound percentage is 17.2% for his career. He's been consistently around that number his entire career. Even when he played for the awful 2006-2007 squad.

I'm not sure how you can argue he's not a great rebounder. To put it in perspective, that's roughly the career rebounding percentage of KG. Which if Powe were to keep it up would put him the top 30 all time in the NBA.

[Fafnir]

Perkins is purely a post player.  So I don't see the problem.  He's no Hakeem 'the Dream' but he offers solid double double production in the paint night in and night out.

Perkins has never averaged a double double. His per 36 minutes numbers are close to a double double at 9.7 rebounds and 9.6 points. But his minutes per game have never gone higher than 30. Though he's gotten a lot better at avoiding dumb fouls so he could up his minutes again this year.

[billysan]

While I love Leon Powe as a Celtic, Sheed is a much better player. The difference IMO is that Sheed will be effective nitely against starter or rotation level bigs. Leon was inconsistent against starter and rotation level guys. Sheed can step in this year and play starter minutes for perk or KG and we dont see much of a letdown. Leon has never been able to say that honestly.

I think Rasheed Wallace will have a bigger positive impact and be more valuable to us than James Posey was overall. He will play enough minutes to keep KG from being overworked and spread the floor for the second unit better than Posey because he is a better shooter. We will win number 18 because of him, provided we stay reasonably healthy. Those were the two biggest factors last year IMO, with Big Baby's improvement cancelling out the PJ Brown factor.

[BrickJames]

I'm not sure how you can argue he's not a great rebounder. To put it in perspective, that's roughly the career rebounding percentage of KG. Which if Powe were to keep it up would put him the top 30 all time in the NBA.

If these weak ass statistics reinforce your perception of Powe's performance and value, well, more power to you I guess...

[Fafnir]

I'm not sure how you can argue he's not a great rebounder. To put it in perspective, that's roughly the career rebounding percentage of KG. Which if Powe were to keep it up would put him the top 30 all time in the NBA.

If these weak ass statistics reinforce your perception of Powe's performance and value, well, more power to you I guess...

How is it "weak ass" to refer to rebounding statistics when we're talking about Powe's rebounding?

You said Powe wasn't a good rebounder, I cited evidence you were wrong. You proceed to call how many rebounds a player gets irrelevant to how good of a rebounder he is. I'm thinking you haven't even read the thread and are confusing me with the OP who likes Powe more than Sheed.

[Jon]

Why does one exclude the other? with S&T's being considered, as well as the exceptions, why can't we get both?

I will say though that the backup PG you seek may be a waste on this team. Doc has not done well with utilizing PG backups and giving them enough time on the court to gain confidence and get in the flow. Heck, even when Marbury played well in the fisrt half, he'd be lucky to get off the bench in the second. So, he reverts to Ray or Paul bringing the ball up. House is not our guy and should stay at 2. I am fantasizing that Daniels surpasses everyone's expectations and plays an exciting PG role.

We don't really have the minutes to offer a "low post player". I put the quotes there because I think Perk, Sheed, and Garnett all will play that role for us next year at different times.

True low post players like Yao and Big Al are very rare and usually not obtainable easily. We don't have the horses to get one. That's okay our top three bigs are very good.

This is exactly right, and while we can quibble about how competent KG and Sheed are in the low post, what it comes down to is that there aren't going to be minutes for a "back to the basket" 4 or 5 to really contribute all that much.  There's only 96 npg between the 2 spots, which averages out to a 3 man rotation of 32 mpg .  While you could argue that there could be a small amount of minutes in the regular season, there absolutely won't be any minutes for a 4th big in the playoffs. 

And if this "back to the basket" big won't get minutes in the playoffs, what the heck is the point of getting him?

[billysan]

This is exactly right, and while we can quibble about how competent KG and Sheed are in the low post, what it comes down to is that there aren't going to be minutes for a "back to the basket" 4 or 5 to really contribute all that much.  There's only 96 npg between the 2 spots, which averages out to a 3 man rotation of 32 mpg .  While you could argue that there could be a small amount of minutes in the regular season, there absolutely won't be any minutes for a 4th big in the playoffs. 

And if this "back to the basket" big won't get minutes in the playoffs, what the heck is the point of getting him?

This brings up another point, why would we resign Big Baby for a decent contract if he is not going to see any minutes? Decent being in the 3-4 million range. In order to make that work we almost have to split minutes 4 ways with Perk, Sheed and BBD getting something around 22 mpg and KG getting 30 mpg.

This is ideal as far as keeping everyone fresh and maximizing matchups but that is probably a pipe dream. This will be quite a headache if they (and their egos) arent all on board with the plan.

[BudweiserCeltic]

This is exactly right, and while we can quibble about how competent KG and Sheed are in the low post, what it comes down to is that there aren't going to be minutes for a "back to the basket" 4 or 5 to really contribute all that much.  There's only 96 npg between the 2 spots, which averages out to a 3 man rotation of 32 mpg .  While you could argue that there could be a small amount of minutes in the regular season, there absolutely won't be any minutes for a 4th big in the playoffs. 

And if this "back to the basket" big won't get minutes in the playoffs, what the heck is the point of getting him?

This brings up another point, why would we resign Big Baby for a decent contract if he is not going to see any minutes? Decent being in the 3-4 million range. In order to make that work we almost have to split minutes 4 ways with Perk, Sheed and BBD getting something around 22 mpg and KG getting 30 mpg.

This is ideal as far as keeping everyone fresh and maximizing matchups but that is probably a pipe dream. This will be quite a headache if they (and their egos) arent all on board with the plan.

Just another trade asset. It depends on the number if years the contact is, but assuming it is for one, then we retain Bird Rights for him, and if something happens health-wise to any of our bigs, we would still have Baby as an option.

And other than that, he'll help us win this year. And a great safety net in case of injury.