Big Baby appeals the Nets (full MLE at disposal)

[Kwhit10]

From ESPN insider...

FREE AGENCY: Davis to Nets unlikely
Glen Davis | Celtics
Several Nets sources told the New York Post that the team has interest in Glen Davis, but all agreed the chances of landing the restricted free agent is unlikely. The Celtics want to retain him and they'll match any reasonable offer.

"We're trying to stay abreast of all situations," GM Kiki Vandeweghe said. "We've contacted most of the teams and the agents to make sure we know where everybody is. We're waiting to see what comes out of the initial waves of signings and movement. We like our young players, we like our core group and don't want to change it."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

[BballTim]

I think BBD rebounding will increase with conditioning.

  It might, if his conditioning were to improve. We've seen little sign of this.

[Fafnir]

I think BBD rebounding will increase with conditioning.

  It might, if his conditioning were to improve. We've seen little sign of this.

Once he played big minutes his conditioning clearly improved. He needs to maintain that as a bench player though.

I still think BBD is a backup on an average team, a fourth big on a good team, and starter on a lottery team. That's why no one is making him an offer. They'd like to sign him, but only a price the C's would match.

[Jon]

I think BBD rebounding will increase with conditioning.

  It might, if his conditioning were to improve. We've seen little sign of this.

Once he played big minutes his conditioning clearly improved. He needs to maintain that as a bench player though.

I still think BBD is a backup on an average team, a fourth big on a good team, and starter on a lottery team. That's why no one is making him an offer. They'd like to sign him, but only a price the C's would match.

Yeah, he's not getting the MLE unless a team is really stupid.  I got maybe see a team looking to be FA players next summer giving him close to the MLE for one year, but he certainly won't get what Rasheed got, and I don't even see him getting the one year MLE.  As Fafnir said, he's just not starter quality on a contender, and arguably not even the first big man off the bench.  Why would you give big bucks to a guy like that?

I think there's a good chance he comes back.  But honestly, if he doesn't, I wouldn't be that much more disappointed with Powe.  As long as he's healthy by the playoffs, there's little downgrade between him and Baby. 

[Fafnir]

I think BBD rebounding will increase with conditioning.

  It might, if his conditioning were to improve. We've seen little sign of this.

Once he played big minutes his conditioning clearly improved. He needs to maintain that as a bench player though.

I still think BBD is a backup on an average team, a fourth big on a good team, and starter on a lottery team. That's why no one is making him an offer. They'd like to sign him, but only a price the C's would match.

Yeah, he's not getting the MLE unless a team is really stupid.  I got maybe see a team looking to be FA players next summer giving him close to the MLE for one year, but he certainly won't get what Rasheed got, and I don't even see him getting the one year MLE.  As Fafnir said, he's just not starter quality on a contender, and arguably not even the first big man off the bench.  Why would you give big bucks to a guy like that?

I think there's a good chance he comes back.  But honestly, if he doesn't, I wouldn't be that much more disappointed with Powe.  As long as he's healthy by the playoffs, there's little downgrade between him and Baby. 

I want Baby back, I don't want to be counting on a player coming back from a third ACL tear unless we don't have another option.

[Jon]

I think BBD rebounding will increase with conditioning.

  It might, if his conditioning were to improve. We've seen little sign of this.

Once he played big minutes his conditioning clearly improved. He needs to maintain that as a bench player though.

I still think BBD is a backup on an average team, a fourth big on a good team, and starter on a lottery team. That's why no one is making him an offer. They'd like to sign him, but only a price the C's would match.

Yeah, he's not getting the MLE unless a team is really stupid.  I got maybe see a team looking to be FA players next summer giving him close to the MLE for one year, but he certainly won't get what Rasheed got, and I don't even see him getting the one year MLE.  As Fafnir said, he's just not starter quality on a contender, and arguably not even the first big man off the bench.  Why would you give big bucks to a guy like that?

I think there's a good chance he comes back.  But honestly, if he doesn't, I wouldn't be that much more disappointed with Powe.  As long as he's healthy by the playoffs, there's little downgrade between him and Baby. 

I want Baby back, I don't want to be counting on a player coming back from a third ACL tear unless we don't have another option.

I generally agree about the "counting" part; however, I question how much we're going to have to "count" on Baby or Powe particularly in the playoffs, but even in the regular season.  Even if we only played KG, Perk, and Wallace 30 mpg each (a very low number for players of their caliber), that leaves a whopping 6 mpg for Powe or Davis.  And there's no way their numbers stay that low in the playoffs, pretty much entirely knocking any 4th big man out of the rotation.

Again, I'd prefer Davis for insurance reasons, but if we're only talking 5-10 mpg for the 4th big man (and likely close to zero minutes come playoff time), I think we'd likely be fine using Scalabrine in the short term and rolling the dice on Powe for the long term. 

[celticinorlando]

i think baby doesnt have as many options as he thinks

[gar]

Alot of people are not the high on BBD. His limitations are too glaringly obvious. There is no way he gets open looks on other teams with fewer weapons. His shots are too easily blocked and he can barely dunk.

[vjcsmoke]

Smith, Diogu or Shelden Williams would make sense at the minimum OR the LLE if we were pursuing Dooling.  

I believe Dooling just makes a ton of sense.  Big PG who can defend SG's on defense.  Lots of versatility on the floor at once.  

How does the $3.76MM trade exception they received for Vince Carter impact this deal?

I think Dooling would be the perfect backup PG for Rondo.  However I'm not sure that New Jersey wants to give him up.  Nor am I sure what we would do to replace BBD.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/keyon_dooling/

http://blog.nj.com/nets/2009/01/keyon_dooling_weve_done_better.html

[BballTim]

I think BBD rebounding will increase with conditioning.

  It might, if his conditioning were to improve. We've seen little sign of this.

Once he played big minutes his conditioning clearly improved. He needs to maintain that as a bench player though.

  But as his minutes went up he showed no improvement in his rebounding.

[Fafnir]

I think BBD rebounding will increase with conditioning.

  It might, if his conditioning were to improve. We've seen little sign of this.

Once he played big minutes his conditioning clearly improved. He needs to maintain that as a bench player though.

  But as his minutes went up he showed no improvement in his rebounding.

I never said his rebounding would improve conditioning, that was dmopower.

I don't think conditioning per say effects rebounding. Its about effort, reach, hands, and leaping ability. BBD will always be a below average rebounder for his position.

[vjcsmoke]

you guys forget, Ainge always gets his man (see Robert Swift)

Big Baby to NJ for Yi

don't know how that works out numbers wise, but toss in some pieces on both sides and I'm sure it can be done

don't stone me, I'm just tossing it out there as a possibility - not a rumor (it isn't even my original idea - read someone else say it and thought it was funny)

Not likely.  There was a report out not to long ago about the Nets loving the marketability and sales from over seas.  They were not going to move him.

I heard the opposite, that the Nets have already given up on Yi and are just looking to dump him.  Give me Dooling AND Yi, and I'd trade BBD.  Yi's defense is terrible but he can shoot.  We'd just need to sign another big man for actual defensive purposes.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/178011-who-wants-some-yi

[BballTim]

I think BBD rebounding will increase with conditioning.

  It might, if his conditioning were to improve. We've seen little sign of this.

Once he played big minutes his conditioning clearly improved. He needs to maintain that as a bench player though.

  But as his minutes went up he showed no improvement in his rebounding.

I never said his rebounding would improve conditioning, that was dmopower.

I don't think conditioning per say effects rebounding. Its about effort, reach, hands, and leaping ability. BBD will always be a below average rebounder for his position.

  I think that conditioning affects leaping ability, though. I agree that he's likely to be a below average rebounder.

[Casperian]

I think BBD rebounding will increase with conditioning.

  It might, if his conditioning were to improve. We've seen little sign of this.

Once he played big minutes his conditioning clearly improved. He needs to maintain that as a bench player though.

  But as his minutes went up he showed no improvement in his rebounding.

I never said his rebounding would improve conditioning, that was dmopower.

I don't think conditioning per say effects rebounding. Its about effort, reach, hands, and leaping ability. BBD will always be a below average rebounder for his position.

  I think that conditioning affects leaping ability, though. I agree that he's likely to be a below average rebounder.

I think if his conditioning would improve as we all hope, he would probably become more of a 3/4 than a 4/5. He could become the most powerful (not best) 3 in the game after LeBron James, plus he has a jump-shot. 
There are reports that Baby works on his 3-point-range, which along with improved conditioning, could make it work at the 3. This would also make him an above average Rebounder at SF.

Am I wrong and do I think too simple here?

[BballTim]

I think BBD rebounding will increase with conditioning.

  It might, if his conditioning were to improve. We've seen little sign of this.

Once he played big minutes his conditioning clearly improved. He needs to maintain that as a bench player though.

  But as his minutes went up he showed no improvement in his rebounding.

I never said his rebounding would improve conditioning, that was dmopower.

I don't think conditioning per say effects rebounding. Its about effort, reach, hands, and leaping ability. BBD will always be a below average rebounder for his position.

  I think that conditioning affects leaping ability, though. I agree that he's likely to be a below average rebounder.

I think if his conditioning would improve as we all hope, he would probably become more of a 3/4 than a 4/5. He could become the most powerful (not best) 3 in the game after LeBron James, plus he has a jump-shot. 
There are reports that Baby works on his 3-point-range, which along with improved conditioning, could make it work at the 3. This would also make him an above average Rebounder at SF.

Am I wrong and do I think too simple here?

  Pulling him farther from the basket will lower his rebounding totals, so he'll probably be close to or slightly above average for a sf. And it's really unlikely he'll ever be able to stay with most wing players.