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Big Baby appeals the Nets (full MLE at disposal)
« on: July 21, 2009, 10:07:59 AM »

Offline Drucci

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Per RealGM :

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The Nets are among the teams that have expressed interest in Celtics restricted free-agent forward Glen Davis, according to league sources.

New Jersey has their $5.8 million mid-level exception to spend as they search for a power forward on the free-agent market.

They are also interested in Lamar Odom and Drew Gooden, as well as acquiring Carlos Boozer in a trade with the Jazz.

Davis has also received interest from the Pistons, Hornets and Trail Blazers. The Celtics have said that they would match a reasonable offer for the young forward.

Just when we thought Big Baby was close to resign with the C's because of the lack of offers, the Nets have to be considered as a dangerous threat to our chances of resigning him since they can offer him the full MLE. Could a sign and trade be arranged if they were to offer him the full MLE?

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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 10:11:41 AM »

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I don't understand why a team like the Nets would want Big Baby. He's a good player to have on your bench if you're a legit contender. A team rebuilding like this shouldn't be spending their money on players like BBD.

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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2009, 10:19:45 AM »

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Usual BYC issues would surround that. To do a sign and trade, we'd basically have to include Tony Allen or Brian Scalabrine and some small pieces to get a deal done. With some of those pieces potentially being tied into a Daniels deal, and the need for Scalabrine if we lose Davis, it'd be tough to pull something together.

But among the expendable pieces in New Jersey:
Battie (1 year, $6.6 mil)
Alston (1 year, $5.25 mil)
I don't think those guys can be traded yet, at least not in any combination with other players
Trenton Hassell (1 year, $4.35 mil)
Keyon Dooling (1 year, $3.56 mil with non- or partially guaranteed second year)
Eduardo Najera (1 year, $3 mil with 2 non- or partially guaranteed years)
Jarvis Hayes (1 year, $2.06 mil)
Sean Williams (1 year, $1.63 mil with 1 team option and then qualifying offer)
maybe Chris Douglas-Roberts (1 year, $736K with 1 team option and then QO)

I also am not convinced New Jersey will target him, though not because they're rebuilding. I'm surprised no rebuilding teams want to bring Davis in as a young guy who can help out now and be a solid rotation player several years down the line. I just think New Jersey will feel the same way as everybody else - you have to overpay to steal a restricted free agent, and why overpay Glen Davis in a terrible economy? And I guess that's where having no chance right now comes in - New Jersey will have plenty of cap space next year, they can just go after Davis next season when he's unrestricted.
Go Celtics.

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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2009, 10:20:42 AM »

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i dont think they offer him the full MLE...boston cannot just let baby walk..they either have to match or get something for him...letting him walk leaves a void of 2 bigs on the bench plus a point.

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2009, 10:22:52 AM »

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They could probably add Davis with out hurting their ability to add a big FA next year.


I like their approach better then other teams.  They are trying to put the support players together while having the money to go after a player.


More attractive then the Knicks, especially when they move to Brooklyn. 


Harris
Lee
Yi
Davis
Lopez

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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2009, 10:31:35 AM »

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I don't understand why a team like the Nets would want Big Baby. He's a good player to have on your bench if you're a legit contender. A team rebuilding like this shouldn't be spending their money on players like BBD.

I agree.  Unless they maybe offer him the full MLE just for a year to get a little help for this season without effecting next summer's flexibility.

While I'd like Davis back, I have to say I wouldn't be devastated if he left.  With Wallace here, come playoff time Davis would be hard-pressed to find minutes in the 4/5 rotation anyway, since Perkins, Garnett, and Wallace will all likely be playing 30+ mpg (only 96 mpg at the 4/5 spots). 

His real value if he came back would be keeping everyone fresh in the regular season.  However, this team is so good that they could get by with someone like Oberto or even Scalabrine being the 4th big man during the regular season.  And if he walks, we can just re-sign Powe, let Scal or another FA be the 4th big man, and come late season/playoff time, let Powe assume that role.  And Powe's arguably just as good as Baby. 

So again, I'd like him to stay, but I think can likely survive without him.

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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2009, 11:40:37 AM »

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If for some reason they're very high on Davis, I'd do a sign and trade of BBD and Scal for Boone and Dooling. It'd work capwise if Davis signs for a deal starting at somewhere between 3,900,000 and 4,900,000.

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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009, 12:23:30 PM »

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They could probably add Davis with out hurting their ability to add a big FA next year.


I like their approach better then other teams.  They are trying to put the support players together while having the money to go after a player.


More attractive then the Knicks, especially when they move to Brooklyn. 


Harris
Lee
Yi
Davis
Lopez

their move to brooklyn is a major question mark, and therefore so is their ability to attract major free agents. rumors are often around that guys don't want to play there, and if they don't move to brooklyn they have a major building problem.

meanwhile they have 15 players under contract, and are losing money. i'd happily to take a couple of players for baby...
Mike

(My name is not Mike)

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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2009, 12:52:23 PM »

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BBD makes sense for them, as they lack a power forward.  I would not be surprised if they offer him the full MLE, in hopes the Celtics don't match.

That is where it would get interesting. Neither Orlando nor Utah blinked in matching MLE offers to their FA. I think Wyc has to do the same. Yes, it is overpaying for BBD, but I think we need him to be able to confidently compete for 18, unless we are able to sign Gooden for the LLE, which is extremely doubtful. Don't know why NJ would have any incentive to do a sign and trade for BBD. 


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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2009, 12:58:08 PM »

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BBD makes sense for them, as they lack a power forward.  I would not be surprised if they offer him the full MLE, in hopes the Celtics don't match.

That is where it would get interesting. Neither Orlando nor Utah blinked in matching MLE offers to their FA. I think Wyc has to do the same. Yes, it is overpaying for BBD, but I think we need him to be able to confidently compete for 18, unless we are able to sign Gooden for the LLE, which is extremely doubtful. Don't know why NJ would have any incentive to do a sign and trade for BBD. 


Because they want to sign him and clear some salary as well to offset his?

I don't think we need BBD to win banner 18. We need a fourth big man, but I think a couple FAs out there could fill that void. I'd prefer BBD as he knows the system and can defend both the 4/5. But his lack of rebounding ability means he's not worth a big deal.

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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2009, 01:00:32 PM »

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That 4/5 bit means something with Perk's tender shoulder and KG and RW practically old men.

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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2009, 01:02:49 PM »

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That 4/5 bit means something with Perk's tender shoulder and KG and RW practically old men.
His length means he'll never be a great defender though.

I am tired of all the waiting, I can only imagine the stress he must feel!

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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2009, 01:19:19 PM »

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Yeah, the waiting sucks, but so far Danny is playing his cards perfectly.  We will not overpay for BBD.  Period.

It has yet to be determined if other teams are willing to open the vault for him.  More power to him if he convinces somebody to do that.  But realistically, 3 mil or so is all he is worth at this point for all of the reasons mentioned previously (i.e. lack of rebounding etc.).

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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2009, 01:39:00 PM »

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BBD makes sense for them, as they lack a power forward.  I would not be surprised if they offer him the full MLE, in hopes the Celtics don't match.

That is where it would get interesting. Neither Orlando nor Utah blinked in matching MLE offers to their FA. I think Wyc has to do the same. Yes, it is overpaying for BBD, but I think we need him to be able to confidently compete for 18, unless we are able to sign Gooden for the LLE, which is extremely doubtful. Don't know why NJ would have any incentive to do a sign and trade for BBD. 


Because they want to sign him and clear some salary as well to offset his?

I don't think we need BBD to win banner 18. We need a fourth big man, but I think a couple FAs out there could fill that void. I'd prefer BBD as he knows the system and can defend both the 4/5. But his lack of rebounding ability means he's not worth a big deal.

Who is left out there that we could sign?  Realistically.

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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2009, 01:42:23 PM »

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that is the scary thing..if baby walks who is left?