Pacers To Get Allen, Scal For Daniels? (merged)

[wdleehi]

The only reason I can see the Pacer doing a sign and trade is to dump a bad contract.  Say like Tinsley.

[ManUp]

He's worth more than the LLE so this makes sense, but I'm not sure he's worth MLE type money. Getting him at around 4 million would be reasonable.

[Cman]

He's worth more than the LLE so this makes sense, but I'm not sure he's worth MLE type money. Getting him at around 4 million would be reasonable.

Yeah, I could see Scal involved in a S&T, but not Tony Allen and Scal, unless there is another player coming back to the Cs.

[screwedupmaniac]

wouldn't it be interesting if there are more players involved than just Daniels? Like what if we netted Jarret Jack through a S&T in the trade as well? that would be just fine by me...although it'd more likely be a bad contract like Tinsley.

[wdleehi]

wouldn't it be interesting if there are more players involved than just Daniels? Like what if we netted Jarret Jack through a S&T in the trade as well? that would be just fine by me...although it'd more likely be a bad contract like Tinsley.

I don't think they can put Jack in a trade since he accepted an offer from Toronto.

[screwedupmaniac]

wouldn't it be interesting if there are more players involved than just Daniels? Like what if we netted Jarret Jack through a S&T in the trade as well? that would be just fine by me...although it'd more likely be a bad contract like Tinsley.

I don't think they can put Jack in a trade since he accepted an offer from Toronto.

ha, oh yeah that's right. too many names flying around to remember who's where!

[EJPLAYA]

I think we are going to be really unhappy at some time later in the season if we look to the bench and Scal isn't there. He fills such a great niche by being able to guard well at the 4, reasonable unless against a Shaq or Howard type at the 5, and was becoming more confident knocking down that outside shot. He is the perfect 3rd "4" off of the bench and great insurance against short term injuries at the spot.

TA on the other hand I'd be happy to send across for a S&T. His contract is about the right amount of money to give Daniels and will allow us to go out there and offer a PG the LLE.

[Cman]

My guess is that it is either Scal OR Allen that will be involved in a S&T.  Pacers probably prefer Scal (he shoots 3s; isn't Jim Obrien still in Indy?); Cs would prefer to send Allen, as it means Daniels is paid less (plus Allen and Daniels would have nearly redundant bench roles).  Cs would also probably prefer to do a S&T, as it would keep them from going too far into the luxury tax.  OTOH, Cs probably have to send something to sweeten the deal for Indy (cash, 2nd rounder) if it is a S&T...

[SSFan V]

I am 100% fine with this if the celts could then use the LLE on Earl Watson to back up the point.

Watson's with the Pacers: http://www.operationsports.com/forums/pro-basketball/336166-pacers-get-earl-watson.html

I hope we can hang on to at least one of these expiring contracts for the trade deadline...

opps  --- I'd still like to leave the lle open for a pg

[Mr October]

I'm also thinking it has to be TA or Scal... not both. The Pacers are already in tax land i don't see how the pieces fit with both TA and Scal to make this deal worth while for them.

[screwedupmaniac]

We could possibly net ourselves Jeff Foster for a 5th big if we are really trading both Tony and Scal...he doesn't really fit into the plans of the Pacers, as he is aging and they are young and upcoming.

So essentially, it'd be Tony, Scal, and perhaps one of our young guys (JR, Walker, etc.) for Foster and Daniels...it'd definitely be upgrades at least, and solidify big man depth as long as we get Baby back.

[Mr October]

My guess is that it is either Scal OR Allen that will be involved in a S&T.  Pacers probably prefer Scal (he shoots 3s; isn't Jim Obrien still in Indy?); Cs would prefer to send Allen, as it means Daniels is paid less (plus Allen and Daniels would have nearly redundant bench roles).  Cs would also probably prefer to do a S&T, as it would keep them from going too far into the luxury tax.  OTOH, Cs probably have to send something to sweeten the deal for Indy (cash, 2nd rounder) if it is a S&T...

Even just for Scal this doesn't make much sense. Scal would cost the Pacers close to 7 million after luxury payments. Heck even a future last 1st rnd pick probably isn't worth that much.

Oh, i do like the Foster/Daniels for Scal/Allen combo. It does clear 6.6 million off their books. The C's would still have to send Pruitt, Giddens or Walker to make the numbers work.

[P2]

I don't know why the Pacer's would want those expiring contracts, are they sending someone else with Daniels?

TA+Scal = $6M.  That is way too much to pay Daniels (I could see $3M/yr, max), so if the rumor is true, then another player is probably coming back to Boston.

wouldn't it be interesting if there are more players involved than just Daniels? Like what if we netted Jarret Jack through a S&T in the trade as well? that would be just fine by me...although it'd more likely be a bad contract like Tinsley.

Maybe it's Daniels + Diener? This would mean we would sign Daniels for at least $3M per season. Could also be Daniels + McRoberts. I don't see them giving up Hansbrough/Rush/Hibbert, and all of their other contracts are way too high.

OTOH, Cs probably have to send something to sweeten the deal for Indy (cash, 2nd rounder) if it is a S&T...

Now why would we do that? We're in the driver's seat.

[Champzilla]

Could Watson be involved, or is there a time frame of when he is able to be traded?

[P2]

So essentially, it'd be Tony, Scal, and perhaps one of our young guys (JR, Walker, etc.) for Foster and Daniels...it'd definitely be upgrades at least, and solidify big man depth as long as we get Baby back.

Oh, i do like the Foster/Daniels for Scal/Allen combo. It does clear 6.6 million off their books. The C's would still have to send Pruitt, Giddens or Walker to make the numbers work.

I would also love such a trade. But if it's Foster/Daniels for Tony/Scal/Giddens, we could sign Daniels only to a max of $2.6M in the first year; I think he wants more.