Trade Idea -- Boozer to MIA, Baby to Utah, Haslem and Moon to Cs

[wdleehi]

Not to mention the Heat are going after Odom.

[ssspence]

Not to mention the Heat are going after Odom.

Exactly. And when I drafted the trade I resisted Chalmers' inclusion because of his importance to their line-up. I don't think there's any question this is a no-brainer for the Heat. But in order for it to work Utah's rumored interest in Baby needs to be there...

[nickagneta]

TP for a well thought out, well calculated, detailed trade and I have to say. I love it.

[JHTruth]

I think Dallas takes this and runs, maybe kills some bystanders in the getaway car. I guess picks and TA for one contract? Hmm..

[ssspence]

I think Dallas takes this and runs, maybe kills some bystanders in the getaway car. I guess picks and TA for one contract? Hmm..

Thanks, Nick.

TA and a pick costs Cuban about 5 million bucks. Not exactly a steal. But Cuban does value assets over $$$, and is smart enough to nurture relationships with other GMs and owners when the opportunity is there.

[bknova]

Not to bad.  Can pick up Buckner after he is waived.

Can the Celtics send cash to Miami to buy out Scali as well so he can return.


Don't see why Dallas gets Boston's 1st.

There will always be a need for Scal.  One of the few guys in the league that always accepts his role and is always ready to play.  And he know where to be on defense. 
The team is in trouble if he's in the top 8, but a great 9th, 10th man to have.
i think Dallas needs motivation to do the deal. Do we really care about the 25th pick in 2011? With Diawara and Moon, we no longer have a need for Scal. The last order of business would be to go out and get a back-up PG or two -- maybe Marcus Williams and Lue.

[paintitgreen]

I like it, but Utah is trying to save money and get below the luxury tax, I don't think they do this. Maybe if they can send Scal to Dallas they'd do it although I'd imagine it would be as a last resort. I hadn't heard anything that indicated Utah wanted to get Davis, especially with Millsap coming back. 

[RD3]

which team doesn't do this? i think it's a win for all.

Why would Dallas do this? If they just release Buckner, it would only cost them 1 Million. If they do this trade, it will end up costing them about the same as if they keep Buckner. And having played for them in the past, why would they not want him instead of TA and Quinn. Are late draft picks really that important to Dallas?

[ssspence]

I like it, but Utah is trying to save money and get below the luxury tax, I don't think they do this. Maybe if they can send Scal to Dallas they'd do it although I'd imagine it would be as a last resort. I hadn't heard anything that indicated Utah wanted to get Davis, especially with Millsap coming back. 

See Spears' artcile on Utah's interest here:

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/07/17/davis_opts_out_of_national_duty/

This trade is a way for them to get value and financial relief for Boozer. There are very few deals out there that can provide them tax relief THIS year. This is one of the.

[ssspence]

which team doesn't do this? i think it's a win for all.

Why would Dallas do this? If they just release Buckner, it would only cost them 1 Million. If they do this trade, it will end up costing them about the same as if they keep Buckner. And having played for them in the past, why would they not want him instead of TA and Quinn. Are late draft picks really that important to Dallas?

Well Buckner is not an NBA player anymore, and TA -- like him or not -- is a talented player at a position they're a little light at (too many SFs, not enought SGs). Quinn they just cut, so TA, and two picks is pretty good value for Buckner, a guy their going to cut anyway.

If it were the Clippers or the Grizz, they'd never do it. But Cuban is open to writing the check for a deal like this if it gives them assets.

[hardlyyardley]

I believe 2011 #1 belongs to Minnesota as final installment of Garnett trade

[Mr October]

4 team deals are really rough. Also Pruitt's contract is guaranteed if the C's trade him.

Here is a simpler proposal:

Here's a deal that could work:

to Utah: Haslem, Tony Allen, 3 mil cash from Miami, 3 mil cash from Boston

to Miami: Boozer

to Boston: Moon at a starting price of 3 million

Utah gets 6 million in cash, saves 3 million off the cap, another 3 million of the luxury tax. Utah saves 12 million total.

OR

to Utah: TA, Scal, Davis, 3 mill cash from Miami, 3 mill cash from Boston

to Miami: Boozer

to Boston: Moon, Haslem

Utah gets 6 mil cash, saves 2 off the cap, 2 off luxury tax. Utah saves 10 million total.

[ssspence]

I believe 2011 #1 belongs to Minnesota as final installment of Garnett trade

nope they got our 2009 pick and their own 1st that was sent to us in the wally trade. i'm not sure which year it was for (though i think dictated by their jaric trade with the clips) but regardless it wasn't the celtics pick.

[ssspence]

4 team deals are really rough. Also Pruitt's contract is guaranteed if the C's trade him.

Here is a simpler proposal:

Here's a deal that could work:

to Utah: Haslem, Tony Allen, 3 mil cash from Miami, 3 mil cash from Boston

to Miami: Boozer

to Boston: Moon at a starting price of 3 million

Utah gets 6 million in cash, saves 3 million off the cap, another 3 million of the luxury tax. Utah saves 12 million total.

OR

to Utah: TA, Scal, Davis, 3 mill cash from Miami, 3 mill cash from Boston

to Miami: Boozer

to Boston: Moon, Haslem

Utah gets 6 mil cash, saves 2 off the cap, 2 off luxury tax. Utah saves 10 million total.

fine let's do it.

keep in mind that the magic, raps, grizz and mavs just did a four team deal. also, i think there's some disagreement about pruitt's contract -- roy said yesterday it's not gauranteed if traded.

[paintitgreen]

I like it, but Utah is trying to save money and get below the luxury tax, I don't think they do this.

This trade is a way for them to get value and financial relief for Boozer. There are very few deals out there that can provide them tax relief THIS year. This is one of the.

Hey, ss, I didn't read through that Buckner was one of the guys included. My bad. Still not a ton of financial relief, but it's there, and they add Davis, so I get why they'd do it. My bad on that front.

Now reading it through thoroughly though (three straight words with th!ough for all you Boolean searchers) it doesn't make much sense to me for Dallas. I think they want to use Buckner's deal to get something for right now. They're not trying to wait around and build for later, they're putting in everything toward winning in the next 2-3 years. And I think they want to use that Buckner deal to try to bring in a big man who can help this year, not the Tony Allen-Chris Quinn-future bad draft picks pupu platter. If Cuban wants a draft pick, he'll buy one.

to Utah: Haslem, Tony Allen, 3 mil cash from Miami, 3 mil cash from Boston

to Miami: Boozer

to Boston: Moon at a starting price of 3 million

Utah gets 6 million in cash, saves 3 million off the cap, another 3 million of the luxury tax. Utah saves 12 million total.

OR

to Utah: TA, Scal, Davis, 3 mill cash from Miami, 3 mill cash from Boston

to Miami: Boozer

to Boston: Moon, Haslem

Utah gets 6 mil cash, saves 2 off the cap, 2 off luxury tax. Utah saves 10 million total.

I like this idea theoretically, but Miami doesn't send out enough for it to work. Miami has to send out $9,779,120 to get Boozer. Haslem ($7.1) and Moon (counts for $1.5) only gives them $8.6 million outgoing so they'd have to add something, and it'd have to go to Utah, since we're already taking on as much as we can in both scenarios (in scenario 2, Davis has to have a first year salary of at least $4,175,000). So that cuts into Utah savings. I also wonder whether Miami, which will take on additional salary and go over the tax to make this move, would agree to pay cash too, considering Boozer isn't guaranteed to be there more than a year.

Truthfully, they need a fourth team like ssspense proposed, but it has to be a below-cap team willing to take on salary, not an above-cap team like Dallas.