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Everyone says Iverson can't come off the bench. Everyone says Iverson can't play a supporting role. I mean everyone up to and including Iverson. He says he'd retire before he's a bench player.

What else does Iverson say? 'I can still sell tickets' 'I still have it' 'I can still be a franchise player'

Money? One would think he has enough. Over the course of his life, he's made ba-gillions of dollars. His last contract paid him 22 million last season.

Achievements? There aren't many player specific awards he could win anymore. He's been an Rookie of the Year, he's been a 10x Allstar, 2x Allstar game MVP, 7 time All-NBA team, and Most Valuable Player.

He's gained some other notoriety lately. He's always been a sulker when things didn't go his way. He didn't finish the season when he was benched last year.

He's washed up, supposedly. He's played 72% of his possible 1230 games, at an average of 41 mins per. I've said, and I'm not alone, that because of his size and playing style and resilience on the court, he is one of the toughest players in the NBA. That takes a toll. They say he's lost a step or two (but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here tonight..place it, 5tp's), and maybe he has. He's never made his money Ray Allen or Reggie Miller style, he defines high impact.

So what are his options? Hope someone terrible signs him to sell tickets? That might work. He might even get paid 5.8 million dollars to do it. If he takes less money, he could even play somewhere like New York, where he'd be worshipped for two weeks then booed. Europe? Sure, he could do that. But what does Allen Iverson care about a Euro chip right now? He doesn't need their money. No one here will care that he wins across the pond. Reebok might not even care.

He never climbed the mountain. He got to the cusp, and failed against the Lakers, losing 4-1. That was almost 10 years ago. Since then he's had some good individual seasons, but no good team season.

How long until Allen Iverson hears enough? How long until he looks at his body of work, then hears what his body is telling him? How long until he realizes that despite all his All-Star appearances, his scoring titles, his MVP awards, he's still missing a handy piece of hardward on his hand?

Heck, he's never won a sixth man of the year award.

Now what kind of team would he go to? Well I know a team that needs help in the back court like nobody's business. I know a team that took in Stephon Marbury like a brother despite all the baggage. I know a city that embraced Starbury, and fans that helped (at least partially) restore his reputation, and cheer him even when he wasn't playing like the player they thought he was. I know a team that has almost the pieces of a champion,

How long until he comes to Boston? Never? Next week? Who knows? Whatever happens, it makes a lot of sense.


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I will be very happy when he goes to Memphis as the latest Wallace blunder. 

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I will be very happy when he goes to Memphis as the latest Wallace blunder. 

Always the cynic. Who doesn't like a good redemption story?

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I will be very happy when he goes to Memphis as the latest Wallace blunder. 

Always the cynic. Who doesn't like a good redemption story?

Someone who lived in Philadelphia for most of AI Philly career.  I don't want that on the Celtics.

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TP for the theory IP.  Not buying it, but it's as persuasive an argument as could be concocted.

In WD's defense I think Memphis is the most likely place he'll go if he sticks to his guns. He can still outplay Conley Jr.

I kinda hope he does come here. I like to root for Iverson, and when he's on he's in my top 5 offensive players to watch (McGrady, Al Jefferson, Gilbert Arenas although I hate to say that, Allen Iverson, and Chris Paul, in that order...its a complex system). I dunno if he can check his baggage at the door, but if he did I'd welcome him with open typing fingers. 

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Ya gotta wonder, if Starbury can come here and act like the humble team player then....? No I guess that's too much to expect from AI........isnt it? John Thompson was the last guy to get him to buy into the whole team concept if memory serves. I would love to think Doc could do that with help from Sheed and the big three but it still seems like an awful stretch.

Like you IP, I would welcome him with open.....fingers or something.
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They say he's lost a step or two (but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here tonight..place it, 5tp's)

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They say he's lost a step or two (but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here tonight..place it, 5tp's)

Sandlot!

Been waiting for that. You get extra. A word of advice though: Heroes are remembered but legends never die. Follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong.

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They say he's lost a step or two (but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here tonight..place it, 5tp's)

Sandlot!

Been waiting for that. You get extra. A word of advice though: Heroes are remembered but legends never die. Follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong.

S'more Tommy Points?  I haven't had anything yet so how can I have some more of nothing?

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TP for the theory IP.  Not buying it, but it's as persuasive an argument as could be concocted.

In WD's defense I think Memphis is the most likely place he'll go if he sticks to his guns. He can still outplay Conley Jr.

I kinda hope he does come here. I like to root for Iverson, and when he's on he's in my top 5 offensive players to watch (McGrady, Al Jefferson, Gilbert Arenas although I hate to say that, Allen Iverson, and Chris Paul, in that order...its a complex system). I dunno if he can check his baggage at the door, but if he did I'd welcome him with open typing fingers. 
He's a volume scorer at this point of his career who can't defend. He'd be an upgrade over Eddie, but we couldn't play those two together so his value to us is less than other teams.

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TP for the theory IP.  Not buying it, but it's as persuasive an argument as could be concocted.

In WD's defense I think Memphis is the most likely place he'll go if he sticks to his guns. He can still outplay Conley Jr.

I kinda hope he does come here. I like to root for Iverson, and when he's on he's in my top 5 offensive players to watch (McGrady, Al Jefferson, Gilbert Arenas although I hate to say that, Allen Iverson, and Chris Paul, in that order...its a complex system). I dunno if he can check his baggage at the door, but if he did I'd welcome him with open typing fingers. 
He's a volume scorer at this point of his career who can't defend. He'd be an upgrade over Eddie, but we couldn't play those two together so his value to us is less than other teams.

We could find a place for Iverson in our rotation. Rondo/AI, AI/Ray are both better than any other option we have right now besides our starters.

I think we could even do House/Ai, but I'm an optimist.

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like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

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TP for the theory IP.  Not buying it, but it's as persuasive an argument as could be concocted.

In WD's defense I think Memphis is the most likely place he'll go if he sticks to his guns. He can still outplay Conley Jr.

I kinda hope he does come here. I like to root for Iverson, and when he's on he's in my top 5 offensive players to watch (McGrady, Al Jefferson, Gilbert Arenas although I hate to say that, Allen Iverson, and Chris Paul, in that order...its a complex system). I dunno if he can check his baggage at the door, but if he did I'd welcome him with open typing fingers. 
He's a volume scorer at this point of his career who can't defend. He'd be an upgrade over Eddie, but we couldn't play those two together so his value to us is less than other teams.

We could find a place for Iverson in our rotation. Rondo/AI, AI/Ray are both better than any other option we have right now besides our starters.

I think we could even do House/Ai, but I'm an optimist.
House/AI would be a disaster defensively, as well as on the glass. We'd find a place in the rotation, Eddie would be riding pine for most of the game unless we needed him to run with the starters to spot up at the 3-point line.

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TP for the theory IP.  Not buying it, but it's as persuasive an argument as could be concocted.

In WD's defense I think Memphis is the most likely place he'll go if he sticks to his guns. He can still outplay Conley Jr.

I kinda hope he does come here. I like to root for Iverson, and when he's on he's in my top 5 offensive players to watch (McGrady, Al Jefferson, Gilbert Arenas although I hate to say that, Allen Iverson, and Chris Paul, in that order...its a complex system). I dunno if he can check his baggage at the door, but if he did I'd welcome him with open typing fingers. 
He's a volume scorer at this point of his career who can't defend. He'd be an upgrade over Eddie, but we couldn't play those two together so his value to us is less than other teams.

We could find a place for Iverson in our rotation. Rondo/AI, AI/Ray are both better than any other option we have right now besides our starters.

I think we could even do House/Ai, but I'm an optimist.
House/AI would be a disaster defensively, as well as on the glass. We'd find a place in the rotation, Eddie would be riding pine for most of the game unless we needed him to run with the starters to spot up at the 3-point line.

Fair enough. Agree to mostly agree.

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Oh and nothing about AI's career has ever indicated to me that he can sublimate himself and his game to be a part of a team, to be the fifth option on offense, and to come off the bench without complaint.

Especially a team like the Celtics that is at its best with ball movement from passing, and dogged defensive rotations.

His talents would be wonderful on the bench, but he can't/won't use them in a way that the Celtics could use.