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Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2009, 03:31:05 PM »

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Also, Boozer is an injury waiting to happen.  If he were to stay healthy then I think it might be a good deal.  But as others have pointed out, there are just too many future problems with the guy.

Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2009, 03:33:45 PM »

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1) He is unsigned after this season.

2) Either he or KG will be forced to play the C position.  Boozer shouldn't.  KG hates it.  Either way, one of them takes to much physical banging.

3) It weakens the interior defense. 


This is one of those cases where the better overal talent is the lesser fit for the team.  If the core was younger, then you might be more apt to pull the trigger.  But Perkins at C gives the Celtics a better chance to win a title this season then Boozer.
My thinking was Boozer is 27 and a legitimate second tier type player (you know all star level).  You upgrade there, and I just see the C's as having a much longer window.  Yeah it would force KG to play center, but most centers are like PF's these days anyway.  Shaq is the only big center in the east and he is older than crap. 

There are also a few veteran big men out there still that the C's could add as some extra insurance.

Also it looks like Boozer is looking for 14 million a year, which is a lot, but not max.


And of course Howard, who is only going to improve.

Perk is the best defender the Celtics could ask for to deal with the two big men of the two biggest threats in the East.


Do we really want to see Boozer defend Howard over a 7 game series?

I don't think the Celtics need to trade defense for offense at this moment. 

Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2009, 05:12:50 PM »

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Let's get Boozer

and JJ Redick, Shane Battier, and Grant Hill

sign and trade Baby with Indiana for Josh McRoberts

what a team

Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2009, 05:21:11 PM »

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Let's get Boozer

and JJ Redick, Shane Battier, and Grant Hill

sign and trade Baby with Indiana for Josh McRoberts

what a team


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Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2009, 05:41:05 PM »

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No.


1) He is unsigned after this season.

2) Either he or KG will be forced to play the C position.  Boozer shouldn't.  KG hates it.  Either way, one of them takes to much physical banging.

3) It weakens the interior defense. 


This is one of those cases where the better overal talent is the lesser fit for the team.  If the core was younger, then you might be more apt to pull the trigger.  But Perkins at C gives the Celtics a better chance to win a title this season then Boozer.
My thinking was Boozer is 27 and a legitimate second tier type player (you know all star level).  You upgrade there, and I just see the C's as having a much longer window.  Yeah it would force KG to play center, but most centers are like PF's these days anyway.  Shaq is the only big center in the east and he is older than crap. 

There are also a few veteran big men out there still that the C's could add as some extra insurance.

Also it looks like Boozer is looking for 14 million a year, which is a lot, but not max.


And of course Howard, who is only going to improve.

Perk is the best defender the Celtics could ask for to deal with the two big men of the two biggest threats in the East.


Do we really want to see Boozer defend Howard over a 7 game series?

I don't think the Celtics need to trade defense for offense at this moment. 
I think KG and Wallace can guard Howard in a 7 game series.  Howard really isn't that big either.  He is only like 6'10" (or whatever).

The better question is can Howard and Lewis actually guard KG and Boozer at the same time.  I don't think they can.  With Perk, Howard can double more, rest more, and has a lot more roaming ability.  He can't leave KG or Boozer, which helps to neutralize him defensively (where he is far and away better than offensively.
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Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2009, 06:12:29 PM »

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Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2009, 06:43:22 PM »

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If Utah is just going to give him away, wouldn't it make sense for the C's to go after him.  Perkins and Scals to Utah, send T. Allen and 3 million to Memphis. 

C's would lose some toughness and I know Boozer has injury issues, but he is a vastly superior player to Perkins and he is good enough and young enough to extend the C's championship window (if he is re-signed of course).  Start KG and Boozer with Sheed and Davis as the big men off the bench.


Sending Scalabrine to Utah is addition by subtraction.  No use in making the deal unless, Boozer agrees to extension thats affordable.  He's injury prone and doesn't defend bigs well.
However he is tough to guard,(ask KG) and would wreak havoc in a slow down game.  What really makes this worthwhile however, is the fact that we once had The Cooz!   Imagine the Garden shouting,
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Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2009, 07:04:28 PM »

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No.


1) He is unsigned after this season.

2) Either he or KG will be forced to play the C position.  Boozer shouldn't.  KG hates it.  Either way, one of them takes to much physical banging.

3) It weakens the interior defense. 


This is one of those cases where the better overal talent is the lesser fit for the team.  If the core was younger, then you might be more apt to pull the trigger.  But Perkins at C gives the Celtics a better chance to win a title this season then Boozer.
My thinking was Boozer is 27 and a legitimate second tier type player (you know all star level).  You upgrade there, and I just see the C's as having a much longer window.  Yeah it would force KG to play center, but most centers are like PF's these days anyway.  Shaq is the only big center in the east and he is older than crap. 

There are also a few veteran big men out there still that the C's could add as some extra insurance.

Also it looks like Boozer is looking for 14 million a year, which is a lot, but not max.


And of course Howard, who is only going to improve.

Perk is the best defender the Celtics could ask for to deal with the two big men of the two biggest threats in the East.


Do we really want to see Boozer defend Howard over a 7 game series?

I don't think the Celtics need to trade defense for offense at this moment. 
I think KG and Wallace can guard Howard in a 7 game series.  Howard really isn't that big either.  He is only like 6'10" (or whatever).

The better question is can Howard and Lewis actually guard KG and Boozer at the same time.  I don't think they can.  With Perk, Howard can double more, rest more, and has a lot more roaming ability.  He can't leave KG or Boozer, which helps to neutralize him defensively (where he is far and away better than offensively.

KG creates enough of a matchup problem for them anyways.  A healthy Celtics starting lineup is already enough to beat them. 

Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2009, 08:20:30 PM »

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No.


1) He is unsigned after this season.

2) Either he or KG will be forced to play the C position.  Boozer shouldn't.  KG hates it.  Either way, one of them takes to much physical banging.

3) It weakens the interior defense. 


This is one of those cases where the better overal talent is the lesser fit for the team.  If the core was younger, then you might be more apt to pull the trigger.  But Perkins at C gives the Celtics a better chance to win a title this season then Boozer.
My thinking was Boozer is 27 and a legitimate second tier type player (you know all star level).  You upgrade there, and I just see the C's as having a much longer window.  Yeah it would force KG to play center, but most centers are like PF's these days anyway.  Shaq is the only big center in the east and he is older than crap. 

There are also a few veteran big men out there still that the C's could add as some extra insurance.

Also it looks like Boozer is looking for 14 million a year, which is a lot, but not max.


And of course Howard, who is only going to improve.

Perk is the best defender the Celtics could ask for to deal with the two big men of the two biggest threats in the East.


Do we really want to see Boozer defend Howard over a 7 game series?

I don't think the Celtics need to trade defense for offense at this moment. 
I think KG and Wallace can guard Howard in a 7 game series.  Howard really isn't that big either.  He is only like 6'10" (or whatever).

The better question is can Howard and Lewis actually guard KG and Boozer at the same time.  I don't think they can.  With Perk, Howard can double more, rest more, and has a lot more roaming ability.  He can't leave KG or Boozer, which helps to neutralize him defensively (where he is far and away better than offensively.

this is crazy talk, Howard might not be that tall but hes super strong. I remember 2 years when KG had to guard Howard for stretches he got destroyed. KG does not have the strength to guard Howard, it's not even close. And Boozer's defense is TERRIBLE, like literally terrible. And center is the most important defensive position on the floor. Trading Perk for Boozer makes us a good amount worse, we have enough guys on offense and a ton of Boozer's value on offense is because of pick and rolls, and KG is superior in pick and rolls and Boozer's offense would be wasted except for the 18 or so minutes KG is on the bench (which will be less than 18 minutes come playoff time)

Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2009, 10:04:37 PM »

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Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2009, 10:20:07 PM »

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I'll pass.  I don't trust Boozer or his agent Rob Pelinka, and I certainly wouldn't match their demand that Boozer's extension has to start at 14M a year.  Plus he's always injured. Let him be some other team's problem.

Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2009, 10:21:27 PM »

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boozer would be a one year rental for boston..but boy their bench would be far and away the best with sheed and booz coming of it

Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2009, 10:35:29 PM »

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boozer would be a one year rental for boston..but boy their bench would be far and away the best with sheed and booz coming of it

And what would be the cost of obtaining Boozer?  You aren't going to get him with BBD and a bunch of nothing.

Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2009, 11:07:14 PM »

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boozer would be a one year rental for boston..but boy their bench would be far and away the best with sheed and booz coming of it

And what would be the cost of obtaining Boozer?  You aren't going to get him with BBD and a bunch of nothing.
You need to deliver financial relief via cheap talent and a third team. I don't think the C's have the pieces Utah wants.

Re: C's should go after Boozer
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2009, 12:48:53 AM »

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I just think we are all seeing what other teams are doing to improve their lineups and are freaking out just a little bit (big shock I know).  We are still the best team in the league in my opinion especially 1 through 6 right now. I we add a piece or two more that makes sense we have a VERY good shot at #18.

Boozer would cost us chips we might need to cash in on something more lasting.  He would be the ultimate rent-a-bench.