Three way sign and trade idea Bos/Det/Mia (Moon and Davis)

[Chris]

OK, so bear with me, I think I have figured out a 3-way sign and trade that lands Davis in Detroit, Moon in Boston, and leaves Miami without taking on salary.

This is making a couple assumptions.  First, from what I have heard, Detroit now has $3.6 million in cap space remaining.  That is of course crucial to this trade.

Also, I am assuming (probably mistakenly) that I understand how trades work with BYC players.  Essentially, the team trading the BYC player away can only count 50% of that players new salary in their outgoing salary, while the team receiving the player needs to count 100% of that salary.

So if either of these are not correct, then this deal falls apart, but if they are, then this may be somewhat realistic.

Boston sends Glen Davis (signed for $3.6 million) to Detroit, and Gabe Pruitt ($825,497 non-guaranteed salary, with an option on August 1st) to Miami.  They also send Cash to Detroit and Miami to grease the skids.  This means Boston has about $2.63 million in salary leaving (because of Davis' BYC status), and can take back about $3.38 million in salary (125% of 2.63 plus $100,000).  So Boston recieves Moon, signed to a deal starting at around $3.25 million.

Detroit sends out a heavily protected second round pick, and recieves Glen Davis and cash.

Miami sends out Moon, and receives Pruitt (who they can simply not pick up the option on), and Cash.

[beantownboy171]

Well if Miami is looking to simply rid themselves of Jamario Moon, why won't we just sign him to the LLE?

That way we can keep BBD and Pruitt. (although we'd prolly resign pruitt in your scenario.)

Idk, i guess it depends on how much cash the celts are giving up.

[Chris]

Well if Miami is looking to simply rid themselves of Jamario Moon, why won't we just sign him to the LLE?

That way we can keep BBD and Pruitt. (although we'd prolly resign pruitt in your scenario.)

Idk, i guess it depends on how much cash the celts are giving up.

Well the issue is Miami may threaten to match an LLE offer to Moon, plus Moon may be looking for more. 

Also, if the C's were going to be giving Moon more than the LLE, they probably would let Davis walk.

And I have a feeling Pruitt is gone whether he is traded or not.

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from what i understand Boston is furious with Detriot for their ridiculous attempt to increase their players trade value with the floating of the rondo conversation. danny ainge and co are not going to help out joe dumars again.

[Mr October]

If Pruitt is traded, his option for this year becomes guaranteed. We'd have to give Miami enough cash to swallow Pruitt's pay.

If the C's really want Moon, it is obviously a complex trade to pull off. And I can understand why this is taking a long time.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Trade Baby and Pruitt for Moon basically? Makes no sense to me.

[Chris]

Trade Baby and Pruitt for Moon basically? Makes no sense to me.

Why not?  They want Moon, and may not match on Baby, or bring back Pruitt at all.  This would help them ensure that they get the man they want, and they would still have the LLE available to go after either a backup PG, or 4th big man.

[Mr October]

Trade Baby and Pruitt for Moon basically? Makes no sense to me.

It all depends on who can be plugged in cheap off the FA market...

Baby + Bogans ...or... Moon + Joe Smith (just some reasonable examples)

I have a hard time deciding either way to be honest.

[teddykgb]

It just makes no sense, if Miami wanted to give up Moon for nothing they already have the option to do that.

Also, if they were willing to give him up for nothing, as you propose, why on earth would they match an LLE offer?  They'd match to protect their asset and get something for it, which is to say that your deal as proposed gets them nothing for their asset

[BudweiserCeltic]

Trade Baby and Pruitt for Moon basically? Makes no sense to me.

Why not?  They want Moon, and may not match on Baby, or bring back Pruitt at all.  This would help them ensure that they get the man they want, and they would still have the LLE available to go after either a backup PG, or 4th big man.

Because first, I'm quite comfortable with our SF situation. I'd rather solidify our big man situation. Secondly, if Baby is going for a 3.6 million contract, the Celtics would match that without giving it second thought.

The way I see it, if you're going after a SF you have to either trade for it using some of your wings, or find some free-agent to add to the squad. Trading Baby for Moon, who I'm not really high about, just isn't in our best interest at the moment. Then we have Pruitt, who for better or worse is one of the few PGs we have (and I'm not high on the kid)...

So in short, we get weaker with our big men and our guards, while not substantially upgrading our wing situation.

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i think it's pretty clear that the way to get Moon is to get him to sign an LLE offer sheet. miami doesn't want salary -- from Moon or from the Celtics. he may very well get free for only 2mil a year IF he's willing to take it from the Cs.

[Brendan]

I like that deal and it seems reasonable. Miami should get a 2nd rd pick from BOS and cash. DET should not get any cash. Miami does it because they don't want Moon and the cash helps, Pruitt wouldn't kill them on their roster either.

If you really want Moon, sigining him to LLE is a bad move. It's low enough that Miami can match, and then try and dump him later if they need to. Except they cannot trade him to Boston. They are better off working something out with Miami if they think there is any chance Miami matches Moon's offer sheet.

[Chris]

Trade Baby and Pruitt for Moon basically? Makes no sense to me.

Why not?  They want Moon, and may not match on Baby, or bring back Pruitt at all.  This would help them ensure that they get the man they want, and they would still have the LLE available to go after either a backup PG, or 4th big man.

Because first, I'm quite comfortable with our SF situation. I'd rather solidify our big man situation. Secondly, if Baby is going for a 3.6 million contract, the Celtics would match that without giving it second thought.

Well, we have two fundamental disagreements then.  First, I think our wings off the bench is by FAR our biggest weakness right now.  And two, while I think the C's would consider matching a $3.6 million contract (depending on the years) for Baby, it is nowhere near a slam dunk.  I think anything over $3 million is a coinflip. 

But at this point, its all opinions anyways, so you are entitled to yours.  But I personally think this deal makes a lot of sense.

Oh yeah, and I think Pruitt can be replaced with just about any vet minimum free agent.  He plays scared.  And not in a good way.

[teddykgb]

You still haven't explained why Miami is going to trade Jamario Moon for nothing while you think they still value him at at least the value of the LLE.  And don't try giving them 2nd rounders, that's still not giving them anything

[Chris]

You still haven't explained why Miami is going to trade Jamario Moon for nothing while you think they still value him at at least the value of the LLE.  And don't try giving them 2nd rounders, that's still not giving them anything

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If a team is willing to give Miami cash, so they will broker a sign and trade to get a player more money than they are willing to pay him, they will likely jump at the opportunity (this also wins them points with agents, and players, who look at how a team does business).  I know this is counter-intuitive to a lot of fans, but those type of deals happen all the time in the NBA. 

And of course second round pick could be thrown in for their trouble as well...but likely wouldn't be necessary.  Miami walks out of this deal with more money, and all they had to give up was a guy they didn't really want to pay anyways, but likely would have, if he was forced to take an offer sheet for significantly less than he is really worth (which the LLE would be).