Please stop the Matt Barnes as the solution talk! He is Overrated!

[celticinorlando]

he is 5 times better than jr giddens, tony allen and bill walker.

[footey]

OP said Barnes is over-rated, and made some good comparisons to Gerald to drive this point home. No where did OP say that Gerald Green was good, or worth going after. 

TP for OP.

[wdleehi]

Did someone really say he was a bad fit in the Phoenix system (career year) and Golden State (a nobody before that)?


Look at what he did before he got to that type of offense.  Numbers worse then Scali. 


I don't like him for the Celtics.  I think he would be a bad fit for the half court offense/defense first game the Celtics play.

[celticinorlando]

Did someone really say he was a bad fit in the Phoenix system (career year) and Golden State (a nobody before that)?


Look at what he did before he got to that type of offense.  Numbers worse then Scali. 


I don't like him for the Celtics.  I think he would be a bad fit for the half court offense/defense first game the Celtics play.

then who? they have to address the wing...they didnt last year and it killed them. what they have is not good enough to get pierce the minutes rest he needs

[wdleehi]

Did someone really say he was a bad fit in the Phoenix system (career year) and Golden State (a nobody before that)?


Look at what he did before he got to that type of offense.  Numbers worse then Scali. 


I don't like him for the Celtics.  I think he would be a bad fit for the half court offense/defense first game the Celtics play.

then who? they have to address the wing...they didnt last year and it killed them. what they have is not good enough to get pierce the minutes rest he needs

Bogans, Udoku or use the expiring contracts as trade bait to fill the hole.

[celticinorlando]

Did someone really say he was a bad fit in the Phoenix system (career year) and Golden State (a nobody before that)?


Look at what he did before he got to that type of offense.  Numbers worse then Scali. 


I don't like him for the Celtics.  I think he would be a bad fit for the half court offense/defense first game the Celtics play.

then who? they have to address the wing...they didnt last year and it killed them. what they have is not good enough to get pierce the minutes rest he needs

Bogans, Udoku or use the expiring contracts as trade bait to fill the hole.

then go out and sign carney, udoko or bogans now to the LLE...uses walker/giddens, tony allen and gabe pruitt and trade bait to add another piece to the puzzle...just get it done

[timepiece33]

Barnes isn't nearly as good as some want to suggest.  He would be a flawed backup, but he is an upgrade over our current SF options ... so I'd take him.   He's worth the LLE.  Not much more.

[ssspence]

Did someone really say he was a bad fit in the Phoenix system (career year) and Golden State (a nobody before that)?


Look at what he did before he got to that type of offense.  Numbers worse then Scali. 


I don't like him for the Celtics.  I think he would be a bad fit for the half court offense/defense first game the Celtics play.

absolutely, tp. his only success has been playing in chucker systems. i'd much rather have a tougher, more physical player. udoka or bogans would be just fine with me -- especially if one would come for the minimum as an opportyunity to play for a contender and build their value.

[jdpapa3]

34.1% catch and shoot for a guy who's allegedly a shooter? No thanks.

[Chris]

I wouldn't have a problem with Barnes, but I don't think he is significantly better than any of the other bottom of the barrel options out there.  He is not a great defender, and his shot is not consistent.  He is basically, a homeless-man's Posey, without the over the top toughness.

[Aaron]

I may be in the minority here, but I don't see what the panic is for a wing player?  I'm much more concerned with a backup PG.

Screw Tony Allen; I think Walker and Giddens can fill the void.

I'd much rather see them than to pay a good chunk of change to bring in a player and hope they work out.  We're really freaking out because we may not get Rodney Carney or Udoka?  And Matt Barnes would be a terrible fit.

Worst Case Scenario: Walker and Giddens fail, and we package some players for a wing later in the year.  There are plenty of wing players in the NBA.

There are few quality point guards that we can get to handle the load while Rondo's on the bench.  And let's not forget how important it is to relieve House of PG duties -- we need him roaming free, getting shots, not bringing the ball up the court.

Forget backup wing - go get a PG!

[ToppersBsktball10]

He is nothing like Green. Not athletic and he's not the greatest shooter but he'll hit a few. He's not really a slasher either more of a guy who just stays on the wing. I'm not sure on defense but I assume he's reliable. I think he's overrated, but if he's all we can get than that's fine, I guess.

[RD3]

How can we be talking about this guy being "overrated". He is a career role player who played for the vet min last year. And after what could perhaps be his best year as a pro, he still is out there in free agency. No teams are jumping to sign Barnes right away. Now i am in the camp that would love to add him to the roster. I love what he could bring to the team. His energy, 3 pt. shooting, and swagger would be a welcome addition to a team that is looking to get back to the finals. And for those who think he wouldnt want to play on the east coast, dont forget he did play with both the Knicks and 76ers early in his career. If it came down to a crappy west coast team and the celtics offering similar money, i think he would choose Boston. Playing well for a championship team increases the value of most players. Example: James Posey...signed with Celtics with a cheap 2 year deal and then got himself a fat 4 year contract worth over 20 million with the Hornets. Now i imagine Barnes wouldnt garner a contract that high if he played well and the Celts won but he could get himself a nice contract that would give him some security for the future.

[Chris]

How can we be talking about this guy being "overrated". He is a career role player who played for the vet min last year. And after what could perhaps be his best year as a pro, he still is out there in free agency. No teams are jumping to sign Barnes right away. Now i am in the camp that would love to add him to the roster. I love what he could bring to the team. His energy, 3 pt. shooting, and swagger would be a welcome addition to a team that is looking to get back to the finals. And for those who think he wouldnt want to play on the east coast, dont forget he did play with both the Knicks and 76ers early in his career. If it came down to a crappy west coast team and the celtics offering similar money, i think he would choose Boston. Playing well for a championship team increases the value of most players. Example: James Posey...signed with Celtics with a cheap 2 year deal and then got himself a fat 4 year contract worth over 20 million with the Hornets. Now i imagine Barnes wouldnt garner a contract that high if he played well and the Celts won but he could get himself a nice contract that would give him some security for the future.

Oh, I don't think he is overrated at all by GMs around the league, who clearly see his limitations, despite the deceivingly good numbers.  I think the overrated thing comes from this board, where he seems to have a lot of huge fans, who have been beating the drum about him since last summer.  I think the fact that C's did not have a viable backup wing last year, and he put up nice numbers for the Suns on a vet minimum deal has helped his legend grow much larger than his actual skills (much like Chris Andersen's did).

[Evantime34]

I may be in the minority here, but I don't see what the panic is for a wing player?  I'm much more concerned with a backup PG.

Screw Tony Allen; I think Walker and Giddens can fill the void.

I'd much rather see them than to pay a good chunk of change to bring in a player and hope they work out.  We're really freaking out because we may not get Rodney Carney or Udoka?  And Matt Barnes would be a terrible fit.

Worst Case Scenario: Walker and Giddens fail, and we package some players for a wing later in the year.  There are plenty of wing players in the NBA.

There are few quality point guards that we can get to handle the load while Rondo's on the bench.  And let's not forget how important it is to relieve House of PG duties -- we need him roaming free, getting shots, not bringing the ball up the court.

Forget backup wing - go get a PG!

The problem with this is the age of our wing players. If we don't have a good back up wing we can still win. However, our stars will decline as the season goes on which hurts us a little this year but could shorten our window by several years.