Plan B : Matt Barnes

[KingChre]

No thanks.  I like Scali better then him. 


Time to look at Bogans.

I agree that Bogans would be a better fit than Barnes, but to say you would take Scalabrine over Barnes is a huge stretch IMO. Scalabrine is a .353 career shooter on 3's, vs. .343 from Barnes. Barnes is a far superior rebounder, and can guard SF much better than Scalabrine. Scal is a heady, team oriented defender, that is certainly a great 10th to 12th man on your bench, but Barnes is a legitimate rotational player.

I am not a big PER guy, but Scal is routinely one of the worst PER players in the league (for any position). He had an absolutely HORRENDOUS PER of 7.4 last year (15 being average), while Barnes had a respectable 12.6. I don't see how these players could even be considered close, given that we are talking about bringing Barnes in on a short term, short money contract.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't like Bogans, and it has nothing to do with basketball. I just don't like him.

[lostjumper]

well, seeing we currently have Toney Allen and Walker to back up Pierce, I'd take Bogans or Barnes. Either would be better than what we have.

[D Dub]

If Channing Frye ended up getting less than 3 million over 2 years, we absolutely have a chance to steal Hakim Warrick away from the Griz.  His jaw would drop at a 4yr/11 million deal right now.  That would only cost us an additional 2-3 mil per year in luxery tax.

For a player entering his prime who can backup both 3 and 4, with the length to be a great defender in our system -- this has to be considered.  I think I'd even rather have Warrick than trading for Nocioni, especially for the bargain price he can be had for.  The guy is built for our system.

We don't have the resources to make that offer, having used the MLE on Sheed.

Warrick would have to agree to the LLE (roughly $2 mil a year).

Sure we do.  The Celtics make dump trucks of revenue each year.  It would just cost us a bit in luxery money.

If the Lakers can drop an extra 8-9 mil on Lamar Odom while already being over the cap, we can drop an extra 2-3 mil on Hakim Warick.

[timepiece33]

I think people underrate Barnes on defense, he is a good defender from what I've seen of him.

The guy isn't a good defender, but I believe he'd be useful and an upgrade over Scalabrine.  The question is whether he can be a swing backup that we need. 

[wdleehi]

No thanks.  I like Scali better then him. 


Time to look at Bogans.

I agree that Bogans would be a better fit than Barnes, but to say you would take Scalabrine over Barnes is a huge stretch IMO. Scalabrine is a .353 career shooter on 3's, vs. .343 from Barnes. Barnes is a far superior rebounder, and can guard SF much better than Scalabrine. Scal is a heady, team oriented defender, that is certainly a great 10th to 12th man on your bench, but Barnes is a legitimate rotational player.

I am not a big PER guy, but Scal is routinely one of the worst PER players in the league (for any position). He had an absolutely HORRENDOUS PER of 7.4 last year (15 being average), while Barnes had a respectable 12.6. I don't see how these players could even be considered close, given that we are talking about bringing Barnes in on a short term, short money contract.

Barnes is a 332 career shooter from the outside.  Only two out of six of his season has he shot over 30% from out there.  


Also, look at his numbers outside an 'uptempo' offense.  Looks like a poor mans Scali on those teams.

[P2]

I think Barnes is well out of our pirce range. He also wouldn't take a backup role after starting in Phoenix and playing several 30+ minute games.

[KevinGamble]

Edit : a little mix for those who would like to know Barnes better :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_OosSMj50Y&feature=fvst

that is an awesome song.  Ainge should listen to the lyrics and "ante up. [and] kidnap that fool." with the LLE!

[wdleehi]

I think Barnes is well out of our pirce range. He also wouldn't take a backup role after starting in Phoenix and playing several 30+ minute games.

Phoenix (much like GS before) are not trying to get him back. 

[StealthB]

I like Scal, but Scal is a fan favorite and definitely is not as good as Barnes.  The issue with Scal is that he's a concussion away from being one of our assitant coaches, or the team mascott.  I know we all love Scal; especially, after a few beers at the garden cheering when he comes off the bench and hits a 3. However, I don't count on him to back up PP, nor play any significant minutes next year at the 4 or 5.  If he needs to play significant minutes then we are in trouble.

[Lucky17]

If Channing Frye ended up getting less than 3 million over 2 years, we absolutely have a chance to steal Hakim Warrick away from the Griz.  His jaw would drop at a 4yr/11 million deal right now.  That would only cost us an additional 2-3 mil per year in luxery tax.

For a player entering his prime who can backup both 3 and 4, with the length to be a great defender in our system -- this has to be considered.  I think I'd even rather have Warrick than trading for Nocioni, especially for the bargain price he can be had for.  The guy is built for our system.

We don't have the resources to make that offer, having used the MLE on Sheed.

Warrick would have to agree to the LLE (roughly $2 mil a year).

Sure we do.  The Celtics make dump trucks of revenue each year.  It would just cost us a bit in luxery money.

If the Lakers can drop an extra 8-9 mil on Lamar Odom while already being over the cap, we can drop an extra 2-3 mil on Hakim Warick.

It's not a question of affording him, it's that we don't have cap room or exceptions to offer him that deal.

The only money we have left to offer free agents (above vet minimum) is the LLE.

[P2]

I think Barnes is well out of our pirce range. He also wouldn't take a backup role after starting in Phoenix and playing several 30+ minute games.

Phoenix (much like GS before) are not trying to get him back. 

But several other teams are.

[wdleehi]

I think Barnes is well out of our pirce range. He also wouldn't take a backup role after starting in Phoenix and playing several 30+ minute games.

Phoenix (much like GS before) are not trying to get him back. 

But several other teams are.

Who?  I haven't heard his name mentioned in rumors.

[P2]

I think Barnes is well out of our pirce range. He also wouldn't take a backup role after starting in Phoenix and playing several 30+ minute games.

Phoenix (much like GS before) are not trying to get him back. 

But several other teams are.

Who?  I haven't heard his name mentioned in rumors.

There you go, buddy:

Barnes said his agent, Aaron Goodwin, told him Dallas, Cleveland, Orlando and the Los Angeles Lakers (before Ron Artest's signing) showed interest but the Suns have not.

[pearljammer10]

Love it, get it done.