I love Tony Allen

[mgent]

I hate Tony Allen.  He's got one of the worst jump shots in the entire NBA, and makes a ton of dumb mistakes on both ends of the floor. 

I echo Roy's thoughts and would like to add a few of my own:

I wouldn't even give TA the benefit of calling whatever he has a "jumpshot". It's more like a jumping catapult without accuracy.

"Dumb mistakes" are being quite generous. He makes TERRIBLE DECISIONS time and time again when he has the ball in his hand. Seriously. He always goes for the tougher pass, forces a tougher shot, and takes very tough paths when he decides to take the ball to the rack. He simply cannot be trusted in ANY situation (clutch or non).

Fun Fact: TA is the only guy on the squad who got his championship ring fitted for his PINKIE FINGER.

Hate is a strong word, so I'll just go so far as to say I hate his game, his mentality, the decisions he makes, the fact that he hasn't improved at all since being drafted, and being the lone person responsible for increased security around the bench during the series with the Bulls.

I must be blind because i don't see him make any more mistakes than anyone else on the floor, and never any TERRIBLE decisions.  When he's hot he will put up points faster than any other bench player.  Not to mention his steals, how can you steal the ball if you're an idiot that doesn't understand the game.

[PosImpos]

I must be blind because i don't see him make any more mistakes than anyone else on the floor, and never any TERRIBLE decisions.  When he's hot he will put up points faster than any other bench player.  Not to mention his steals, how can you steal the ball if you're an idiot that doesn't understand the game.

Check out his turnover rate there chief.

[mgent]

I must be blind because i don't see him make any more mistakes than anyone else on the floor, and never any TERRIBLE decisions.  When he's hot he will put up points faster than any other bench player.  Not to mention his steals, how can you steal the ball if you're an idiot that doesn't understand the game.

Check out his turnover rate there chief.

Yeah dude, like 1 a game.  This is the freakin Boston Celtics, we average like 20 a game.  I know Rondo and Paul average almost 3. 

[cornbreadsmart]

dude, tony makes TONS of bad decisions. that's the reason he does'nt play. even his horrid outside shot would'nt keep him off the court if he could keep from making bad decisions.

[PosImpos]

I must be blind because i don't see him make any more mistakes than anyone else on the floor, and never any TERRIBLE decisions.  When he's hot he will put up points faster than any other bench player.  Not to mention his steals, how can you steal the ball if you're an idiot that doesn't understand the game.

Check out his turnover rate there chief.

Yeah dude, like 1 a game.  This is the freakin Boston Celtics, we average like 20 a game.  I know Rondo and Paul average almost 3. 

Turnover Rates:

Ray Allen - 8.9 (36.4 mpg)
Paul Pierce - 11.7 (37.5 mpg)
Tony Allen - 16.2 (19.3 mpg)

So uh...still want to tell me Tony's as turnover prone as they are?  

Plus, even if he were, he's not an asset in tons of other ways the way they are.

[mgent]

wow hate is such a strong word for someone who has been a good supportive teammate.  He has his shortcomings but when it comes to injuries there aren't too many players who have had as back luck as he has the last few years even last year in his "recovery" year.  He had that what I think was a sprained ankle injury into the first month of the season that nagged him for a long long time.   In the middle of the season he had that wrist injury that we thought he recovered from.  Then towards the end of the year he didn't play at all and come to find out he had offseason surgery immediately after the season was over.  With no Posey  around maybe Doc would have given him a chance in the playoffs if he was healthy.  I don't like killing the guy when he has had such a string of back luck but I do acklowedge his shortcomings.

If we can trade Tony now for an upgrade I'm all for it however I would seriously consider playing him around 20 MPG during the first half of the season to up his trade value around the trade deadline when his contract would be more desirable anyway.  Most of us know he does play better when fully healthy and given ample playing time.  Maybe at that point you trade him.  I know it sounds crazy but I wouldn't put it past Danny thinking somewhat that.  

Hate really is a strong word, one that Tony doesn't deserve.  It's one thing if people say he's no longer a good fit here and we could have better on our roster, but come on, stop talking crap about the guy 24/7.  That's really disrespectful for a guy who has played his role for our team without complaining, show him some gratitude.  Ask Doc what he thinks of him.

[xmuscularghandix]

I must be blind because i don't see him make any more mistakes than anyone else on the floor, and never any TERRIBLE decisions.  When he's hot he will put up points faster than any other bench player.  Not to mention his steals, how can you steal the ball if you're an idiot that doesn't understand the game.

Check out his turnover rate there chief.

Yeah dude, like 1 a game.  This is the freakin Boston Celtics, we average like 20 a game.  I know Rondo and Paul average almost 3. 

Turnover Rates:

Ray Allen - 8.9 (36.4 mpg)
Paul Pierce - 11.7 (37.5 mpg)
Tony Allen - 16.2 (19.3 mpg)

So uh...still want to tell me Tony's as turnover prone as they are?  

Plus, even if he were, he's not an asset in tons of other ways the way they are.

exactly, look up the amount of touches TA gets compared to Pierce and Ray, minutes doesn't even do it justice. sometimes he's out there for 10 minutes and touches it once, then sometimes he touches it 10 times and he has 2 TO's.

[cornbreadsmart]

man, his shot really is awful though. i'd rather have rondo shooting a 3 than tony shooting an 18 footer. anyone ever watch tony shooting before the 2nd half begins. it's astounding how many he'll miss in a row uncontested. every game we go to we watch him shooting and can't believe it.

[xmuscularghandix]

wow hate is such a strong word for someone who has been a good supportive teammate.  He has his shortcomings but when it comes to injuries there aren't too many players who have had as back luck as he has the last few years even last year in his "recovery" year.  He had that what I think was a sprained ankle injury into the first month of the season that nagged him for a long long time.   In the middle of the season he had that wrist injury that we thought he recovered from.  Then towards the end of the year he didn't play at all and come to find out he had offseason surgery immediately after the season was over.  With no Posey  around maybe Doc would have given him a chance in the playoffs if he was healthy.  I don't like killing the guy when he has had such a string of back luck but I do acklowedge his shortcomings.

If we can trade Tony now for an upgrade I'm all for it however I would seriously consider playing him around 20 MPG during the first half of the season to up his trade value around the trade deadline when his contract would be more desirable anyway.  Most of us know he does play better when fully healthy and given ample playing time.  Maybe at that point you trade him.  I know it sounds crazy but I wouldn't put it past Danny thinking somewhat that.  

Hate really is a strong word, one that Tony doesn't deserve.  It's one thing if people say he's no longer a good fit here and we could have better on our roster, but come on, stop talking crap about the guy 24/7.  That's really disrespectful for a guy who has played his role for our team without complaining, show him some gratitude.  Ask Doc what he thinks of him.

without complaining? its not like Doc sat him down becuase of his attitude. He's made some big mistakes at key times.

Plus he can't complain if he went from "The best perimeter defender on the team" to NOT EVEN PLAYING when Ray is both NOT SCORING, and GETTING SCORED ON by Ben Gordon. Thats the time to put in your "best perimeter defender" but wait... he fouled him shooting a three in the closing minutes then never played again.

[dark_lord]

TA's game is:

[mgent]

I must be blind because i don't see him make any more mistakes than anyone else on the floor, and never any TERRIBLE decisions.  When he's hot he will put up points faster than any other bench player.  Not to mention his steals, how can you steal the ball if you're an idiot that doesn't understand the game.

Check out his turnover rate there chief.

Yeah dude, like 1 a game.  This is the freakin Boston Celtics, we average like 20 a game.  I know Rondo and Paul average almost 3. 

Turnover Rates:

Ray Allen - 8.9 (36.4 mpg)
Paul Pierce - 11.7 (37.5 mpg)
Tony Allen - 16.2 (19.3 mpg)

So uh...still want to tell me Tony's as turnover prone as they are?  

Plus, even if he were, he's not an asset in tons of other ways the way they are.

I never said he was a good distributor, of course he's never gonna assists like Paul and Rondo do; he's never really in a position to.  I'm just saying turnovers happen, and i bet the majority of TA's turnovers have been in the past 3 seasons when he's been battling injuries and getting very little minutes.  When you haven't been playing recently you literally have 0 confidence, that's why he tries to get rid of the ball.  Once you get in a grove it's much easier to take the ball in your own hands and try to make something happen.  Tommy's said this before about guys like Pruitt, when you know Doc's probably gonna take you out if you miss some shots you don't have the confidence to take them.
Also, when does Ray even get a chance to turn the ball over?  He never gets the ball inside the arc and usually shoots as soon as he catches it.

[GKC]

I must be blind because i don't see him make any more mistakes than anyone else on the floor, and never any TERRIBLE decisions.  When he's hot he will put up points faster than any other bench player.  Not to mention his steals, how can you steal the ball if you're an idiot that doesn't understand the game.

Check out his turnover rate there chief.

Yeah dude, like 1 a game.  This is the freakin Boston Celtics, we average like 20 a game.  I know Rondo and Paul average almost 3. 

Turnover Rates:

Ray Allen - 8.9 (36.4 mpg)
Paul Pierce - 11.7 (37.5 mpg)
Tony Allen - 16.2 (19.3 mpg)

So uh...still want to tell me Tony's as turnover prone as they are?  

Plus, even if he were, he's not an asset in tons of other ways the way they are.

I never said he was a good distributor, of course he's never gonna assists like Paul and Rondo do; he's never really in a position to.  I'm just saying turnovers happen, and i bet the majority of TA's turnovers have been in the past 3 seasons when he's been battling injuries and getting very little minutes.  When you haven't been playing recently you literally have 0 confidence, that's why he tries to get rid of the ball.  Once you get in a grove it's much easier to take the ball in your own hands and try to make something happen.  Tommy's said this before about guys like Pruitt, when you know Doc's probably gonna take you out if you miss some shots you don't have the confidence to take them.
Also, when does Ray even get a chance to turn the ball over?  He never gets the ball inside the arc and usually shoots as soon as he catches it.

Turnover rate doesn't always mean someones a good distributor. It's a % of possessions that become turnovers, and that is pretty high. And that's the point; most of it doesn't even come from distributing. Boneheaded plays from offensive fouls or being stripped going at the rim. Ray? He has many chances to turn the ball over; he sometimes even plays point. He does have the curle-drive-mid range jumper. The reason Ray doesnt have the "chance" to turn the ball over, is because he's smart enough not to give the defense those chances. Tony's driving has become too easy to strip, and his outside shot just isn't good enough for defenders not to stay off him (22% 3pt shooting this year).

I just think he's had a long time to prove himself, and he hasn't. Does nobody remember game 5 of the Bulls-Celtics series with him fouling BG 29 feet away from the basket for 3 ft's to tie it?

[mgent]

I must be blind because i don't see him make any more mistakes than anyone else on the floor, and never any TERRIBLE decisions.  When he's hot he will put up points faster than any other bench player.  Not to mention his steals, how can you steal the ball if you're an idiot that doesn't understand the game.

Check out his turnover rate there chief.

Yeah dude, like 1 a game.  This is the freakin Boston Celtics, we average like 20 a game.  I know Rondo and Paul average almost 3. 

Turnover Rates:

Ray Allen - 8.9 (36.4 mpg)
Paul Pierce - 11.7 (37.5 mpg)
Tony Allen - 16.2 (19.3 mpg)

So uh...still want to tell me Tony's as turnover prone as they are?  

Plus, even if he were, he's not an asset in tons of other ways the way they are.

I never said he was a good distributor, of course he's never gonna assists like Paul and Rondo do; he's never really in a position to.  I'm just saying turnovers happen, and i bet the majority of TA's turnovers have been in the past 3 seasons when he's been battling injuries and getting very little minutes.  When you haven't been playing recently you literally have 0 confidence, that's why he tries to get rid of the ball.  Once you get in a grove it's much easier to take the ball in your own hands and try to make something happen.  Tommy's said this before about guys like Pruitt, when you know Doc's probably gonna take you out if you miss some shots you don't have the confidence to take them.
Also, when does Ray even get a chance to turn the ball over?  He never gets the ball inside the arc and usually shoots as soon as he catches it.

Turnover rate doesn't always mean someones a good distributor. It's a % of possessions that become turnovers, and that is pretty high. And that's the point; most of it doesn't even come from distributing. Boneheaded plays from offensive fouls or being stripped going at the rim. Ray? He has many chances to turn the ball over; he sometimes even plays point. He does have the curle-drive-mid range jumper. The reason Ray doesnt have the "chance" to turn the ball over, is because he's smart enough not to give the defense those chances. Tony's driving has become too easy to strip, and his outside shot just isn't good enough for defenders not to stay off him (22% 3pt shooting this year).

I just think he's had a long time to prove himself, and he hasn't. Does nobody remember game 5 of the Bulls-Celtics series with him fouling BG 29 feet away from the basket for 3 ft's to tie it?

All right well Tony doesn't get many possessions, so ANY turnovers is gonna jack up his rate right?

[GKC]

All right well Tony doesn't get many possessions, so ANY turnovers is gonna jack up his rate right?

Your right. But you're looking at this at a "turnover's happen" standpoint. The thing is, this is a huge sample size. It's not a one time thing.

He gets around 10 possessions per game (or touches) and almost 1 in 5 becomes turnovers. This is over 46 games.

It's not a fluke. It's a pattern.

[star18]

C'mon Celtics Fans, Dude has a ring you have to respect him for that.    TA WILL BE ON THE CELTICS FOREVER!!