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Re: Should Danny target Stackhouse with the LLE?
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2009, 02:06:32 AM »

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So his entire 15 year career is weak circumstantial evidence?  And people drawing conclusions on Hill's potential on one healthy season in a contract year isn't weak circumstantial evidence?  So do you also think the Rockets are not better without Tracy McGrady?  Both of these players have never won a playoff series.

I don't want him, because he is old and the level of regression was apparent last year.  When you have an old player that regresses like that, you have concerns.

I'd rather secure Desmond Mason OR Matt Barnes.

Re: Should Danny target Stackhouse with the LLE?
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2009, 01:20:01 PM »

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How about we spend the LLE on dirt instead? Or maybe a giraffe?

Does the giraffe have game like Robert Swift or Shawn Bradley?  If so, I say we spend it on dirt.
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Re: Should Danny target Stackhouse with the LLE?
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2009, 01:25:05 PM »

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I think Stackhouse could be an OK pickup with the vet minimum, if they miss out on Hill and Udoka.  He doesn't have much left in the tank, but if they bring him in, along with a young guy, it wouldn't be terrible. 

Re: Should Danny target Stackhouse with the LLE?
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2009, 01:33:21 PM »

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Stackhouse would be terrible. Especially defensively.
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Re: Should Danny target Stackhouse with the LLE?
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2009, 01:38:04 PM »

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So his entire 15 year career is weak circumstantial evidence?  And people drawing conclusions on Hill's potential on one healthy season in a contract year isn't weak circumstantial evidence?  So do you also think the Rockets are not better without Tracy McGrady?  Both of these players have never won a playoff series.

I don't want him, because he is old and the level of regression was apparent last year.  When you have an old player that regresses like that, you have concerns.

I'd rather secure Desmond Mason OR Matt Barnes.

Stackhouse pretty much didn't play last year due to a foot injury.  I don't think you can draw any conclusions from the 10 games he appeared in last year.

Re: Should Danny target Stackhouse with the LLE?
« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2009, 02:01:46 PM »

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Stackhouse pretty much didn't play last year due to a foot injury.  I don't think you can draw any conclusions from the 10 games he appeared in last year.

Yes, but Stackhouse did play the year before. His defense was not great. Sure he scored in spurts (though he did start at times), but he only scored because he was a volume shooter. Both his FG% and his EFG% were terrible and so was his 3pt shooting.

His defense has also never been good throughout his career, and would be hampered by an injury.
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Re: Should Danny target Stackhouse with the LLE?
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2009, 02:17:28 PM »

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I would not pass just based on an injury in the past or else we'd have never signed Ray. You have to trust your docs on that and I don't mean Rivers.

I would pass on him based on his lack of defense if I had a better defensive option.  However, if he was the last player available, I wouldn't freak out about using him as an option.

Re: Should Danny target Stackhouse with the LLE?
« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2009, 02:20:19 PM »

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I would not pass just based on an injury in the past or else we'd have never signed Ray. You have to trust your docs on that and I don't mean Rivers.

I would pass on him based on his lack of defense if I had a better defensive option.  However, if he was the last player available, I wouldn't freak out about using him as an option.

Injuries just the final straw.

I'd pass based on the defense and the need for volume shooting (40% fg and 30% 3pt and he averaged over 10ppg in 07-08).
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Re: Should Danny target Stackhouse with the LLE?
« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2009, 02:36:59 PM »

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you cant blame orlandos playoffs misfortunes on Grant Hill, as far as Grant Hill the player goes.

Orlando had playoff misfortunes b/c of Grant Hills injuries.  They had two GIANT contracts on the books, and one of those contracts never plays, AT ALL.  Its hard to build around two players and be successful when one of them never plays b/c of injury.  So yes, technically, you can blame Orlandos playoffs misfortunes on Hill, but you cant blame it on him like hes some unsuccessful player who doesnt know how to lead a team, thats not fair.

Ricky Davis is the perfect player that fits into the scenario youre trying to frame around Hill, Ricky though, has been the MAN or the 2nd star on all his lackluster teams, and has been there for it all, so you can draw a conclusion around Ricky for that.

But Seriously though, youre going to pin Phoenix not mkaing the playoffs on Grant Hill??  That team traded away half its core players, and has been stuck inbetween being a half court/fast break team ever since they got Shaq and D'Antoni left.  If you want to hate a potential Grant Hill signing b/c of the risk of injury problems, then thats logical.  But to try and make him out to be some selfish team cancer that'll send this team into a tailspin until he leaves is crazy.
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Re: Should Danny target Stackhouse with the LLE?
« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2009, 02:46:35 PM »

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you cant blame orlandos playoffs misfortunes on Grant Hill, as far as Grant Hill the player goes.

Orlando had playoff misfortunes b/c of Grant Hills injuries.  They had two GIANT contracts on the books, and one of those contracts never plays, AT ALL.  Its hard to build around two players and be successful when one of them never plays b/c of injury.  So yes, technically, you can blame Orlandos playoffs misfortunes on Hill, but you cant blame it on him like hes some unsuccessful player who doesnt know how to lead a team, thats not fair.

Ricky Davis is the perfect player that fits into the scenario youre trying to frame around Hill, Ricky though, has been the MAN or the 2nd star on all his lackluster teams, and has been there for it all, so you can draw a conclusion around Ricky for that.

But Seriously though, youre going to pin Phoenix not mkaing the playoffs on Grant Hill??  That team traded away half its core players, and has been stuck inbetween being a half court/fast break team ever since they got Shaq and D'Antoni left.  If you want to hate a potential Grant Hill signing b/c of the risk of injury problems, then thats logical.  But to try and make him out to be some selfish team cancer that'll send this team into a tailspin until he leaves is crazy.

TBH I thought Grant Hill was one of the lone bright spots on that team. And one of the reasons I want him in green is he seems to never give up. Even Nash mailed it in a few times which I didn't expect to see happening.
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Re: Should Danny target Stackhouse with the LLE?
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2009, 02:48:45 PM »

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I'd prefer him not to, but we'll see where were at as the market continues to get all figured out.