Should Danny target Stackhouse with the LLE?

[jv2764]

I like Stack if Hill isn't an option.

I like Hill better though.

Actually I think I like Kareem Rush more than stackhosue, but I wouldn't be mad if we signed him. See signature.

I am just surprised people are so confident about how Grant Hill will hold up.  This is a player who has only made it to the playoffs healthy once in this entire decade.  And Hill will turn 37 before the season begins this year...

Also a guy that has 4 years less wear and tear on his knees than any other 37 year old because of an ankle injury that went horribly wrong from a bacterial infection. He played 82 games last season at also 30 mins a clip, that's gotta count for something

But he also has barely played competitive basketball this decade.  I don't put a lot of stock in one healthy season (especially a contract year).  Let me put it this way:  Do you have more confidence in a Garnett who has a lot of miles but an season ending injury last year or a Greg Oden/Chris Webber type who can never stay consistently healthy but have less miles.  Greg Oden is save a lot of wear and tear on his knees...but that is still not going to lengthen his career. 

Hill has had at least 3 operations on his ankle before the bacterial infection.  And again, for a veteran, he has almost zero playoff experience and has never been out of the 1st round.

Amen Brother!

[indeedproceed]

I like Stack if Hill isn't an option.

I like Hill better though.

Actually I think I like Kareem Rush more than stackhosue, but I wouldn't be mad if we signed him. See signature.

I am just surprised people are so confident about how Grant Hill will hold up.  This is a player who has only made it to the playoffs healthy once in this entire decade.  And Hill will turn 37 before the season begins this year...

Also a guy that has 4 years less wear and tear on his knees than any other 37 year old because of an ankle injury that went horribly wrong from a bacterial infection. He played 82 games last season at also 30 mins a clip, that's gotta count for something

But he also has barely played competitive basketball this decade.  I don't put a lot of stock in one healthy season (especially a contract year).  Let me put it this way:  Do you have more confidence in a Garnett who has a lot of miles but an season ending injury last year or a Greg Oden/Chris Webber type who can never stay consistently healthy but have less miles.  Greg Oden is save a lot of wear and tear on his knees...but that is still not going to lengthen his career. 

Hill has had at least 3 operations on his ankle before the bacterial infection.  And again, for a veteran, he has almost zero playoff experience and has never been out of the 1st round.

65, 70, 82....looks like to me he's only playing more..

You points are good ones though..but with our roster, a 6th or 7th man like Hill, with his ego, maturity, etc...its a good fit, age or not.

I woulda said the same thing about Reggie Miller in 2007 though.

[Truck Lewis]

indeedproceed, funny you mentioned reggie miller,,,isnt this about the time we have like 3 threads discussin the celts bringing him out of retirement?

[victorycigar]

I like Stack if Hill isn't an option.

I like Hill better though.

Actually I think I like Kareem Rush more than stackhosue, but I wouldn't be mad if we signed him. See signature.

I am just surprised people are so confident about how Grant Hill will hold up.  This is a player who has only made it to the playoffs healthy once in this entire decade.  And Hill will turn 37 before the season begins this year...

Also a guy that has 4 years less wear and tear on his knees than any other 37 year old because of an ankle injury that went horribly wrong from a bacterial infection. He played 82 games last season at also 30 mins a clip, that's gotta count for something

But he also has barely played competitive basketball this decade.  I don't put a lot of stock in one healthy season (especially a contract year).  Let me put it this way:  Do you have more confidence in a Garnett who has a lot of miles but an season ending injury last year or a Greg Oden/Chris Webber type who can never stay consistently healthy but have less miles.  Greg Oden is save a lot of wear and tear on his knees...but that is still not going to lengthen his career. 

Hill has had at least 3 operations on his ankle before the bacterial infection.  And again, for a veteran, he has almost zero playoff experience and has never been out of the 1st round.

65, 70, 82....looks like to me he's only playing more..

You points are good ones though..but with our roster, a 6th or 7th man like Hill, with his ego, maturity, etc...its a good fit, age or not.

I woulda said the same thing about Reggie Miller in 2007 though.

You have to look at the numbers a little more closely though.  Last year, Hill didn't even make the playoffs with the Suns with a squad that had enough talent to make the playoffs.  In 2007-08, Hill only played the first 3 games of the playoffs, was a nonfactor, hurt his groin, and sat out the last 2 games of the series while watching his team lose again in the 1st round.  In 2006-07, Hill was actually OK in the playoffs against his first team, Det Pistons, but only good enough to see his team get swept and lose again in the 1st round.

[indeedproceed]

I don't think you can blame either Phoenix's record or Grant Hill's playoff record on Grant Hill exclusively.

Esp Phoenix missing the playoffs last year. If that falls on anyone's shoulders, its Steve Kerr.

[victorycigar]

I don't think you can blame either Phoenix's record or Grant Hill's playoff record on Grant Hill exclusively.

Esp Phoenix missing the playoffs last year. If that falls on anyone's shoulders, its Steve Kerr.

Maybe so.  But is it also a coincidence that his best year and only healthy year this decade coincides with a year that the Suns miss the playoffs for like the only time this decade?

Or that the Orlando Magic become a playoff contender and make the NBA Finals after Hill leaves?  Or that the Detroit Pistons become a playoff contender and win the NBA Championship after Hill is traded?  And Hill never won a single playoff series with any of these teams?

[PosImpos]

I don't think you can blame either Phoenix's record or Grant Hill's playoff record on Grant Hill exclusively.

Esp Phoenix missing the playoffs last year. If that falls on anyone's shoulders, its Steve Kerr.

Maybe so.  But is it also a coincidence that his best year and only healthy year this decade coincides with a year that the Suns miss the playoffs for like the only time this decade?

Or that the Orlando Magic become a playoff contender and make the NBA Finals after Hill leaves?  Or that the Detroit Pistons become a playoff contender and win the NBA Championship after Hill is traded?  And Hill never won a single playoff series with any of these teams?

Considering that he's a good, efficient player with no reputation of personality issues I'd say those are all coincidences, besides the positives any trades he was involved in may have given the teams he was leaving.

[victorycigar]

I don't think you can blame either Phoenix's record or Grant Hill's playoff record on Grant Hill exclusively.

Esp Phoenix missing the playoffs last year. If that falls on anyone's shoulders, its Steve Kerr.

Maybe so.  But is it also a coincidence that his best year and only healthy year this decade coincides with a year that the Suns miss the playoffs for like the only time this decade?

Or that the Orlando Magic become a playoff contender and make the NBA Finals after Hill leaves?  Or that the Detroit Pistons become a playoff contender and win the NBA Championship after Hill is traded?  And Hill never won a single playoff series with any of these teams?

Considering that he's a good, efficient player with no reputation of personality issues I'd say those are all coincidences, besides the positives any trades he was involved in may have given the teams he was leaving.

He is also a player who has only finished one season healthy this entire decade and has a history of playoff failure and shortcomings.  His teams have been consistent underachievers throughout his career.

The Magic got nothing for Hill.  The Pistons did get Ben Wallace, but only after Hill had already announced he was signing with Orlando.  The Pistons only sign-and-traded him so he could get the maximum and ended up stealing Wallace in return.  But it's not like Ben Wallace is a HOF or something, and he would not have changed the playoff fortunes of Hill's Orlando Magic teams.

[ToppersBsktball10]

How about we spend the LLE on dirt instead? Or maybe a giraffe?

[Who]

No, the Celtics shouldn't give Stack the LLE.

Perhaps a minimum contract, but he'd be a fall back option there.

[victorycigar]

How about we spend the LLE on dirt instead? Or maybe a giraffe?

Does the giraffe have game like Robert Swift or Shawn Bradley?  If so, I say we spend it on dirt.

[PosImpos]

I don't think you can blame either Phoenix's record or Grant Hill's playoff record on Grant Hill exclusively.

Esp Phoenix missing the playoffs last year. If that falls on anyone's shoulders, its Steve Kerr.

Maybe so.  But is it also a coincidence that his best year and only healthy year this decade coincides with a year that the Suns miss the playoffs for like the only time this decade?

Or that the Orlando Magic become a playoff contender and make the NBA Finals after Hill leaves?  Or that the Detroit Pistons become a playoff contender and win the NBA Championship after Hill is traded?  And Hill never won a single playoff series with any of these teams?

Considering that he's a good, efficient player with no reputation of personality issues I'd say those are all coincidences, besides the positives any trades he was involved in may have given the teams he was leaving.

He is also a player who has only finished one season healthy this entire decade and has a history of playoff failure and shortcomings.  His teams have been consistent underachievers throughout his career.

The Magic got nothing for Hill.  The Pistons did get Ben Wallace, but only after Hill had already announced he was signing with Orlando.  The Pistons only sign-and-traded him so he could get the maximum and ended up stealing Wallace in return.  But it's not like Ben Wallace is a HOF or something, and he would not have changed the playoff fortunes of Hill's Orlando Magic teams.

Yeah, but you're implying that having Grant Hill on the team somehow makes your team worse and getting rid of him makes you better.

There's nothing besides some really weak circumstantial evidence to stake that claim.

Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc is faulty logic my friend.

[victorycigar]

No, the Celtics shouldn't give Stack the LLE.

Perhaps a minimum contract, but he'd be a fall back option there.

Stack will probably get more than the minimum, and I think he will go to another contender for the LLE if we sign Hill.  There would not be enough playing time for the two of them.

[victorycigar]

I don't think you can blame either Phoenix's record or Grant Hill's playoff record on Grant Hill exclusively.

Esp Phoenix missing the playoffs last year. If that falls on anyone's shoulders, its Steve Kerr.

Maybe so.  But is it also a coincidence that his best year and only healthy year this decade coincides with a year that the Suns miss the playoffs for like the only time this decade?

Or that the Orlando Magic become a playoff contender and make the NBA Finals after Hill leaves?  Or that the Detroit Pistons become a playoff contender and win the NBA Championship after Hill is traded?  And Hill never won a single playoff series with any of these teams?

Considering that he's a good, efficient player with no reputation of personality issues I'd say those are all coincidences, besides the positives any trades he was involved in may have given the teams he was leaving.

He is also a player who has only finished one season healthy this entire decade and has a history of playoff failure and shortcomings.  His teams have been consistent underachievers throughout his career.

The Magic got nothing for Hill.  The Pistons did get Ben Wallace, but only after Hill had already announced he was signing with Orlando.  The Pistons only sign-and-traded him so he could get the maximum and ended up stealing Wallace in return.  But it's not like Ben Wallace is a HOF or something, and he would not have changed the playoff fortunes of Hill's Orlando Magic teams.

Yeah, but you're implying that having Grant Hill on the team somehow makes your team worse and getting rid of him makes you better.

There's nothing besides some really weak circumstantial evidence to stake that claim.

Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc is faulty logic my friend.

So his entire 15 year career is weak circumstantial evidence?  And people drawing conclusions on Hill's potential on one healthy season in a contract year isn't weak circumstantial evidence?  So do you also think the Rockets are not better without Tracy McGrady?  Both of these players have never won a playoff series.

[liam]

No Stackhouse please