2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread

[Fafnir]

they can outscore just about anyone.

I don't think that's true either though. Your best two offensive perimeter players can't be on the floor at the same time, and one is hurt a lot.

I think you underestimate how playing with a low post player instead of a face up four in Bosh would help Bargs' game. Also Casspi and Chandler's length makes even more versatile and creates matchup problems.

The difference between where Lopez plays and Bosh wouldn't do all that much for Bargs. Defensively it'd help kinda. Bargs isn't quick enough to guard 4s. But he can't rebound against 5s or post defend all that well.

He's a tough guy to fit a team around.

Disagree completely, but that being said he has already been on a playoff team and his team is the 5th seed and only 4.5 behind us for the Atlantic lead. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Bosh has a heck of a lot more to do with that than Bargs. By that logic Lopez sucks because the Nets suck. Same with Omar, and Wilson Chandler...

Bargs's a good scorer, but that's the only way he can impact the game positively for his team.

You were rightly a bubble team for playoff contention.

[KCattheStripe]

they can outscore just about anyone.

I don't think that's true either though. Your best two offensive perimeter players can't be on the floor at the same time, and one is hurt a lot.

I think you underestimate how playing with a low post player instead of a face up four in Bosh would help Bargs' game. Also Casspi and Chandler's length makes even more versatile and creates matchup problems.

The difference between where Lopez plays and Bosh wouldn't do all that much for Bargs. Defensively it'd help kinda. Bargs isn't quick enough to guard 4s. But he can't rebound against 5s or post defend all that well.

He's a tough guy to fit a team around.

Disagree completely, but that being said he has already been on a playoff team and his team is the 5th seed and only 4.5 behind us for the Atlantic lead. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Bosh has a heck of a lot more to do with that than Bargs. He's a good scorer, but that's the only way he can impact the game positively for his team.

You were rightly a bubble team for playoff contention.

Like I said, agree to disagree. However, it's not like he's my first option.

[Fafnir]

they can outscore just about anyone.

I don't think that's true either though. Your best two offensive perimeter players can't be on the floor at the same time, and one is hurt a lot.

I think you underestimate how playing with a low post player instead of a face up four in Bosh would help Bargs' game. Also Casspi and Chandler's length makes even more versatile and creates matchup problems.

The difference between where Lopez plays and Bosh wouldn't do all that much for Bargs. Defensively it'd help kinda. Bargs isn't quick enough to guard 4s. But he can't rebound against 5s or post defend all that well.

He's a tough guy to fit a team around.

Disagree completely, but that being said he has already been on a playoff team and his team is the 5th seed and only 4.5 behind us for the Atlantic lead. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Bosh has a heck of a lot more to do with that than Bargs. He's a good scorer, but that's the only way he can impact the game positively for his team.

You were rightly a bubble team for playoff contention.

Like I said, agree to disagree. However, it's not like he's my first option.

Then why are you starting him? We were discussing his defensive liabilities and the problems that it creates in your front court rotation.

Offensively your team will be good, but not elite. That's not the problem with your team. "Agree to disgree" is fine by me, but lets not shift what I'm actually critiquing.

[KCattheStripe]

they can outscore just about anyone.

I don't think that's true either though. Your best two offensive perimeter players can't be on the floor at the same time, and one is hurt a lot.

I think you underestimate how playing with a low post player instead of a face up four in Bosh would help Bargs' game. Also Casspi and Chandler's length makes even more versatile and creates matchup problems.

The difference between where Lopez plays and Bosh wouldn't do all that much for Bargs. Defensively it'd help kinda. Bargs isn't quick enough to guard 4s. But he can't rebound against 5s or post defend all that well.

He's a tough guy to fit a team around.

Disagree completely, but that being said he has already been on a playoff team and his team is the 5th seed and only 4.5 behind us for the Atlantic lead. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Bosh has a heck of a lot more to do with that than Bargs. He's a good scorer, but that's the only way he can impact the game positively for his team.

You were rightly a bubble team for playoff contention.

Like I said, agree to disagree. However, it's not like he's my first option.

Then why are you starting him? We were discussing his defensive liabilities and the problems that it creates in your front court rotation.

Offensively your team will be good, but not elite. That's not the problem with your team. "Agree to disgree" is fine by me, but lets not shift what I'm actually critiquing.

And I've already said that I think you exaggerate his defensive deficiencies and that you seriously underrate Lopez as a defender.  I'm starting him because he's a potent offensive weapon that spreads the floor nicely and allows Tony Parker and Chandler room to slash and creates greater team cohesiveness.

I've already said that this team isn't the bad boys, but if Bargs is my teams worst defender, then I'll take that especially with Lopez's ability and the Wing's size.

[Roy Hobbs]

I think I would keep most of my starting lineup except I'd replace Maggette with Evans. I also would consider putting in Gallanari then moving Boozer to the 5.

Nash
Evans
Deng
Boozer
Okur

I would also consider moving Evans to a team that wanted to start over young.

Interesting.  I may continue to bring Evans off the bench, if I were you.  I think it would give better roster balance; Evans is at his best when he's creating for himself, and he couldn't do that with Nash there.  Allowing him to basically be the focal point of the second unit, in my mind, would be the best utilization of his talent.

Also, I think you need to keep Okur in the starting lineup, if only for defense.  Gallinari is another guy who brings instant offense off the bench.

Your bench was the only question mark heading into the season, and overall, they've performed very well.  I think you've got the team to beat.

[Evantime34]

I think I would keep most of my starting lineup except I'd replace Maggette with Evans. I also would consider putting in Gallanari then moving Boozer to the 5.

Nash
Evans
Deng
Boozer
Okur

I would also consider moving Evans to a team that wanted to start over young.

Interesting.  I may continue to bring Evans off the bench, if I were you.  I think it would give better roster balance; Evans is at his best when he's creating for himself, and he couldn't do that with Nash there.  Allowing him to basically be the focal point of the second unit, in my mind, would be the best utilization of his talent.

Also, I think you need to keep Okur in the starting lineup, if only for defense.  Gallinari is another guy who brings instant offense off the bench.

Your bench was the only question mark heading into the season, and overall, they've performed very well.  I think you've got the team to beat.

You're probably right about keeping Okur in the starting lineup. Evans I think would benefit from Nash. Granted I have only seen Evans play a few times but it seems that he is the type of player who if given a head of steam will score or draw a foul regardless of the defender. I think he could easily do this via passes from Nash.
I think he is more of a two guard (mostly from what nba analysts have said), so I feel like he will need to see a decent amount of time with Nash.

[jgod213]

As i mentioned after the draft, i think KCat's biggest problem is the fact that his team plays in the SW conference - where there is just a ton of talent.

However i will contend that Dallas and Houston are the strongest teams here.  Houston's talent jumps off the page at you, tough to find a better 3some than johnson/bosh/ellis.  Buuuut my worries about David Andersen/Anthony Randolph at the C position has been justified.  I was about ready to knock this team down to 3rd in the conference just now until i saw that WalkerWiggle somehow scored Jonas Jerebko.  I don't know how much you can rely upon him in the playoffs but he's a HUGE upgrade at the C position.

I like my team's (dallas) depth way more than Houstons, but i can't match the star power.  I will say that my investment in j-Kidd and Josh smith as my first two picks turned out to be very solid investments.  We start an all-star at the PG and C positions and add two terrific role players in terry and j-smoove (who woulda thought?!) to the mix.  A sixth man of harrington and a backup big in dalembert makes my frontcourt quite formidable.  My only question really surrounds marion, who didnt have the rejuvination in real-life dallas that i had hoped for.  anthony carter and vujacic in my rotation don't really bring a lot to the table either.

Regardless, i think the race for the western conference crown comes down to golden state, houston, dallas, Buffalo and and Utah.  I've soured on Seatlle, Portland, and Pheonix.

EDIT: woooops, forgot i drafted brandon jennings haha; clearly he takes all the minutes away from anthony carter at the backup pg spot.

[KCattheStripe]

As i mentioned after the draft, i think KCat's biggest problem is the fact that his team plays in the SW conference - where there is just a ton of talent.

However i will contend that Dallas and Houston are the strongest teams here.  Houston's talent jumps off the page at you, tough to find a better 3some than johnson/bosh/ellis.  Buuuut my worries about David Andersen/Anthony Randolph at the C position has been justified.  I was about ready to knock this team down to 3rd in the conference just now until i saw that WalkerWiggle somehow scored Jonas Jerebko.  I don't know how much you can rely upon him in the playoffs but he's a HUGE upgrade at the C position.

I like my team's (dallas) depth way more than Houstons, but i can't match the star power.  I will say that my investment in j-Kidd and Josh smith as my first two picks turned out to be very solid investments.  We start an all-star at the PG and C positions and add two terrific role players in terry and j-smoove (who woulda thought?!) to the mix.  A sixth man of harrington and a backup big in dalembert makes my frontcourt quite formidable.  My only question really surrounds marion, who didnt have the rejuvination in real-life dallas that i had hoped for.  anthony carter and vujacic in my rotation don't really bring a lot to the table either.

Regardless, i think the race for the western conference crown comes down to golden state, houston, dallas, Buffalo and and Utah.  I've soured on Seatlle, Portland, and Pheonix.

EDIT: woooops, forgot i drafted brandon jennings haha; clearly he takes all the minutes away from anthony carter at the backup pg spot.

Jerebko plays almost exclusively SF. I still don't see how your talent fits together, although Jennings makes you look smart.

[Lucky17]

As i mentioned after the draft, i think KCat's biggest problem is the fact that his team plays in the SW conference - where there is just a ton of talent.

However i will contend that Dallas and Houston are the strongest teams here.  Houston's talent jumps off the page at you, tough to find a better 3some than johnson/bosh/ellis.  Buuuut my worries about David Andersen/Anthony Randolph at the C position has been justified.  I was about ready to knock this team down to 3rd in the conference just now until i saw that WalkerWiggle somehow scored Jonas Jerebko.  I don't know how much you can rely upon him in the playoffs but he's a HUGE upgrade at the C position.

I like my team's (dallas) depth way more than Houstons, but i can't match the star power.  I will say that my investment in j-Kidd and Josh smith as my first two picks turned out to be very solid investments.  We start an all-star at the PG and C positions and add two terrific role players in terry and j-smoove (who woulda thought?!) to the mix.  A sixth man of harrington and a backup big in dalembert makes my frontcourt quite formidable.  My only question really surrounds marion, who didnt have the rejuvination in real-life dallas that i had hoped for.  anthony carter and vujacic in my rotation don't really bring a lot to the table either.

Regardless, i think the race for the western conference crown comes down to golden state, houston, dallas, Buffalo and and Utah.  I've soured on Seatlle, Portland, and Pheonix.

EDIT: woooops, forgot i drafted brandon jennings haha; clearly he takes all the minutes away from anthony carter at the backup pg spot.

Jerebko plays almost exclusively SF. I still don't see how your talent fits together, although Jennings makes you look smart.

The 2nd most common lineup featuring Jerebko [Stuckey/Rip/Tayshaun/JJ/Wallace] has him playing PF.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09DET7.HTM

Now that Prince is back, I believe that lineup is the Pistons' regular starting five.

Regardless, he's more a SF/PF than a PF/C.

[indeedproceed]

Ersan Ilyasova. That is all.

Also Serge Ibaka.

[KCattheStripe]

As i mentioned after the draft, i think KCat's biggest problem is the fact that his team plays in the SW conference - where there is just a ton of talent.

However i will contend that Dallas and Houston are the strongest teams here.  Houston's talent jumps off the page at you, tough to find a better 3some than johnson/bosh/ellis.  Buuuut my worries about David Andersen/Anthony Randolph at the C position has been justified.  I was about ready to knock this team down to 3rd in the conference just now until i saw that WalkerWiggle somehow scored Jonas Jerebko.  I don't know how much you can rely upon him in the playoffs but he's a HUGE upgrade at the C position.

I like my team's (dallas) depth way more than Houstons, but i can't match the star power.  I will say that my investment in j-Kidd and Josh smith as my first two picks turned out to be very solid investments.  We start an all-star at the PG and C positions and add two terrific role players in terry and j-smoove (who woulda thought?!) to the mix.  A sixth man of harrington and a backup big in dalembert makes my frontcourt quite formidable.  My only question really surrounds marion, who didnt have the rejuvination in real-life dallas that i had hoped for.  anthony carter and vujacic in my rotation don't really bring a lot to the table either.

Regardless, i think the race for the western conference crown comes down to golden state, houston, dallas, Buffalo and and Utah.  I've soured on Seatlle, Portland, and Pheonix.

EDIT: woooops, forgot i drafted brandon jennings haha; clearly he takes all the minutes away from anthony carter at the backup pg spot.

Jerebko plays almost exclusively SF. I still don't see how your talent fits together, although Jennings makes you look smart.

The 2nd most common lineup featuring Jerebko [Stuckey/Rip/Tayshaun/JJ/Wallace] has him playing PF.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09DET7.HTM

Now that Prince is back, I believe that lineup is the Pistons' regular starting five.

Regardless, he's more a SF/PF than a PF/C.

It's also the only line up he plays PF in, also their second lowest win percentage, and it's close to being passed for second. Exclusively might have been a tad extreme, I'll admit.

[Lucky17]

As i mentioned after the draft, i think KCat's biggest problem is the fact that his team plays in the SW conference - where there is just a ton of talent.

However i will contend that Dallas and Houston are the strongest teams here.  Houston's talent jumps off the page at you, tough to find a better 3some than johnson/bosh/ellis.  Buuuut my worries about David Andersen/Anthony Randolph at the C position has been justified.  I was about ready to knock this team down to 3rd in the conference just now until i saw that WalkerWiggle somehow scored Jonas Jerebko.  I don't know how much you can rely upon him in the playoffs but he's a HUGE upgrade at the C position.

I like my team's (dallas) depth way more than Houstons, but i can't match the star power.  I will say that my investment in j-Kidd and Josh smith as my first two picks turned out to be very solid investments.  We start an all-star at the PG and C positions and add two terrific role players in terry and j-smoove (who woulda thought?!) to the mix.  A sixth man of harrington and a backup big in dalembert makes my frontcourt quite formidable.  My only question really surrounds marion, who didnt have the rejuvination in real-life dallas that i had hoped for.  anthony carter and vujacic in my rotation don't really bring a lot to the table either.

Regardless, i think the race for the western conference crown comes down to golden state, houston, dallas, Buffalo and and Utah.  I've soured on Seatlle, Portland, and Pheonix.

EDIT: woooops, forgot i drafted brandon jennings haha; clearly he takes all the minutes away from anthony carter at the backup pg spot.

Jerebko plays almost exclusively SF. I still don't see how your talent fits together, although Jennings makes you look smart.

The 2nd most common lineup featuring Jerebko [Stuckey/Rip/Tayshaun/JJ/Wallace] has him playing PF.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09DET7.HTM

Now that Prince is back, I believe that lineup is the Pistons' regular starting five.

Regardless, he's more a SF/PF than a PF/C.

It's also the only line up he plays PF in, also their second lowest win percentage, and it's close to being passed for second. Exclusively might have been a tad extreme, I'll admit.

Hmmm. I just went through the game logs for the Pistons last dozen games or so.

Starting on Jan 31, the Pistons have gone with the Stuckey/Rip/Tayshaun/JJ/Wallace starting 5. They are 5-5 in those last 10 games with that lineup.

Either JJ is playing PF, or Prince is.

[KCattheStripe]

As i mentioned after the draft, i think KCat's biggest problem is the fact that his team plays in the SW conference - where there is just a ton of talent.

However i will contend that Dallas and Houston are the strongest teams here.  Houston's talent jumps off the page at you, tough to find a better 3some than johnson/bosh/ellis.  Buuuut my worries about David Andersen/Anthony Randolph at the C position has been justified.  I was about ready to knock this team down to 3rd in the conference just now until i saw that WalkerWiggle somehow scored Jonas Jerebko.  I don't know how much you can rely upon him in the playoffs but he's a HUGE upgrade at the C position.

I like my team's (dallas) depth way more than Houstons, but i can't match the star power.  I will say that my investment in j-Kidd and Josh smith as my first two picks turned out to be very solid investments.  We start an all-star at the PG and C positions and add two terrific role players in terry and j-smoove (who woulda thought?!) to the mix.  A sixth man of harrington and a backup big in dalembert makes my frontcourt quite formidable.  My only question really surrounds marion, who didnt have the rejuvination in real-life dallas that i had hoped for.  anthony carter and vujacic in my rotation don't really bring a lot to the table either.

Regardless, i think the race for the western conference crown comes down to golden state, houston, dallas, Buffalo and and Utah.  I've soured on Seatlle, Portland, and Pheonix.

EDIT: woooops, forgot i drafted brandon jennings haha; clearly he takes all the minutes away from anthony carter at the backup pg spot.

Jerebko plays almost exclusively SF. I still don't see how your talent fits together, although Jennings makes you look smart.

The 2nd most common lineup featuring Jerebko [Stuckey/Rip/Tayshaun/JJ/Wallace] has him playing PF.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09DET7.HTM

Now that Prince is back, I believe that lineup is the Pistons' regular starting five.

Regardless, he's more a SF/PF than a PF/C.

It's also the only line up he plays PF in, also their second lowest win percentage, and it's close to being passed for second. Exclusively might have been a tad extreme, I'll admit.

Hmmm. I just went through the game logs for the Pistons last dozen games or so.

Starting on Jan 31, the Pistons have gone with the Stuckey/Rip/Tayshaun/JJ/Wallace starting 5. They are 5-5 in those last 10 games with that lineup.

Either JJ is playing PF, or Prince is.

My guess would be JJ on offense and Tay on D.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Hmmm. I just went through the game logs for the Pistons last dozen games or so.

Starting on Jan 31, the Pistons have gone with the Stuckey/Rip/Tayshaun/JJ/Wallace starting 5. They are 5-5 in those last 10 games with that lineup.

Either JJ is playing PF, or Prince is.

I was hesitant to revisit the scene of the crime, but I am too pleased that there is even a Jonas Jerebko debate happening.

I continue to have a pretty good run in drafting rookies (also continue to be - probably fairly - marked down for carrying five rookies every season.)

2009-2010: Earl Clark (Round 8 ), DeJuan Blair (Round 9), David Andersen (Round 10), Marcus Thornton (Round 10), Jonas Jerebko (Round 14)

2008-2009: Russell Westbrook (Round 5), Rudy Fernandez (Round 6), Anthony Randolph (Round 8 ), J.J. Hickson (Round 9), Goran Dragic (Round 12)

I do need Clark to pan out the way Hickson seems to have.

[jgod213]

As i mentioned after the draft, i think KCat's biggest problem is the fact that his team plays in the SW conference - where there is just a ton of talent.

However i will contend that Dallas and Houston are the strongest teams here.  Houston's talent jumps off the page at you, tough to find a better 3some than johnson/bosh/ellis.  Buuuut my worries about David Andersen/Anthony Randolph at the C position has been justified.  I was about ready to knock this team down to 3rd in the conference just now until i saw that WalkerWiggle somehow scored Jonas Jerebko.  I don't know how much you can rely upon him in the playoffs but he's a HUGE upgrade at the C position.

I like my team's (dallas) depth way more than Houstons, but i can't match the star power.  I will say that my investment in j-Kidd and Josh smith as my first two picks turned out to be very solid investments.  We start an all-star at the PG and C positions and add two terrific role players in terry and j-smoove (who woulda thought?!) to the mix.  A sixth man of harrington and a backup big in dalembert makes my frontcourt quite formidable.  My only question really surrounds marion, who didnt have the rejuvination in real-life dallas that i had hoped for.  anthony carter and vujacic in my rotation don't really bring a lot to the table either.

Regardless, i think the race for the western conference crown comes down to golden state, houston, dallas, Buffalo and and Utah.  I've soured on Seatlle, Portland, and Pheonix.

EDIT: woooops, forgot i drafted brandon jennings haha; clearly he takes all the minutes away from anthony carter at the backup pg spot.

Jerebko plays almost exclusively SF. I still don't see how your talent fits together, although Jennings makes you look smart.

Well how does anybody's team fit together? really this was about amassing as much talent on one team as you can - it's tough to judge chemistry and cohesion. How do Williams and Parker fit? obviously it would be a strange dynamic but regardless you'd still be getting a ton of production from the pg spot.

An all star distributor at pg, an all star big man at center, a defensive stud/finisher at pf, and two veteran role players to finish the starting 5.  Add to that arguably the most talented reserve group and clearly all that is a recipe for a deep playoff run.  Ultimately i think we lose in the playoffs due to defense.  A lineup of Kidd/Daniels/Marion/Smith/Dalembert would be a very solid defensive grouping, but this lineup cannot spread the floor and, if we weren't able to get out and fast break, would not provide for many decent offensive looks.

is this team a title squad? doubful.  But there's just too much quality talent on this team for it to not win a lot of games.