2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread

[wdleehi]

So, is Denver clearly in the lead for "team of the future"?  I've got to think so.

I like Denver's players a lot, but I question how this team would function together.

How do any of these teams function together?


The PG and C have a history.  Foye and Love were teammates last year.  Green is known as a good glue guy.  And we have a strong teacher as a head coach and time for them to learn.

The ability to spread the floor scares me a little, I don't like the Green and Foye combo personally.

That being said, I think your team is probably better than mine at this point. I don't mean to deflate the job you've done, again, I love all the players individually.

Why not?  Both have good handles.  Both have good passing ability.  Both have good shots.  Both can play two positions.  Both played as good teammates. 


Plus, no one said Foye is a lock to start at SG.

[johnnyrondo]

So, is Denver clearly in the lead for "team of the future"?  I've got to think so.

We at the las vegas war room like to think we are somewhere in the discussion, with our team based defense and  trade able assets, but we concede that WDL is in the lead talent wise, for sure.

You have talent, but Beasley at C?  I think his future might be as a big SF in this league.

mabey, but we don't expect to win this year.

We have time and trade assets to fix the C issue and get beasly to PF down the road, where he belongs.

Agree that Beasley's pest position is PF. Prob with a big defensive minded center.

[crownsy]

orlando, you have a PM

[wdleehi]

So, is Denver clearly in the lead for "team of the future"?  I've got to think so.

We at the las vegas war room like to think we are somewhere in the discussion, with our team based defense and  trade able assets, but we concede that WDL is in the lead talent wise, for sure.

You have talent, but Beasley at C?  I think his future might be as a big SF in this league.

mabey, but we don't expect to win this year.

We have time and trade assets to fix the C issue and get beasly to PF down the road, where he belongs.

I agree that we have time to fix these teams down the road.  I only mention it because don't you think it would be wise to move Beasley now to protect that investment.  Undersized guys playing a position with a lot of big bangers can shorten their careers or at least, just take away their legs over a long time.

(See A. Walker as an example)

[StartOrien]

So, is Denver clearly in the lead for "team of the future"?  I've got to think so.

I like Denver's players a lot, but I question how this team would function together.

How do any of these teams function together?


The PG and C have a history.  Foye and Love were teammates last year.  Green is known as a good glue guy.  And we have a strong teacher as a head coach and time for them to learn.

The ability to spread the floor scares me a little, I don't like the Green and Foye combo personally.

That being said, I think your team is probably better than mine at this point. I don't mean to deflate the job you've done, again, I love all the players individually.

Why not?  Both have good handles.  Both have good passing ability.  Both have good shots.  Both can play two positions.  Both played as good teammates. 


Plus, no one said Foye is a lock to start at SG.

I would say that Foye would be my problem with your starting lineup. If it was me, I'd prefer a more catch and shoot player whose real strength is on the defensive end.

[riah32]

Not sure if my pick of k-mart was good cause I'm not getting much feedback but I love the pick myself because it gives me a physical guy in the post and I felt with Roy and hedo there was not a need to go with a pg there

[crownsy]

So, is Denver clearly in the lead for "team of the future"?  I've got to think so.

We at the las vegas war room like to think we are somewhere in the discussion, with our team based defense and  trade able assets, but we concede that WDL is in the lead talent wise, for sure.

You have talent, but Beasley at C?  I think his future might be as a big SF in this league.

mabey, but we don't expect to win this year.

We have time and trade assets to fix the C issue and get beasly to PF down the road, where he belongs.

I agree that we have time to fix these teams down the road.  I only mention it because don't you think it would be wise to move Beasley now to protect that investment.  Undersized guys playing a position with a lot of big bangers can shorten their careers or at least, just take away their legs over a long time.

(See A. Walker as an example)

mabey i misunderstand how the title of "team of the future" is competed for, with regards to write ups? being totally serious there.

To me, that also includes teams that can put themselves, with a good write up of their philosophy of course, in the discussion for being a good team down the road, not just for the upcoming season. i believe, with the players i have drawing trade interest from other GM's who are looking to win now, that i can do that.

when i am speaking of "down the road" on the center problem i don't mean in only in this draft and post draft trade period, i mean in a fictional 2-3 years in our post draft world.

 Beasley is not untouchable, as i plan to be a facilitator during our post draft trade phase, but he would take alot to pry away from me, my write up will be based on how, over a 2-3 year period, we will go from a decent young team into the west to a playoff threat.

I agree that drafting a great young team, which you are currently in the process of, is also certainly one heck of a way to compete for that title, but i don't think it's the only way.

[JSD]

2009.  But thanks for trying to deflect attention away from your own flawed team. 

Wade and 4 guys off of Celticsblog would easily defeat your old injured squad.

Odom wasn't even a starter for a lot of last season, and he's your #3 guy.  The knock on him his entire career has been that he doesn't play hard -- and it's showed. 

Odom played 32 minutes per game in the playoff run while shooting over .500% fg and 3 point field goals. The knock went far away this season according to scouting reports such as hoopshype.com "Plays much more aggressive now than he used to"

http://hoopshype.com/players/lamar_odom.htm

The guy is coming off of a season where he averaged 11 points per game, and you took him over all-stars.

Well, judging by your definition of an all-star (anyone to make an all-star team in the last 10 years) I suppose I did. 

Wade is dominant, but very injury prone (and he plays a style that invites injury).

To define injury prone one should look at Roy and Edgars 2009 roster.

So, those are your three players.  Again, you seem to be mocking our team a little too much when yours is severely flawed.

Not even you can sell that Hobbs sorry. Man, you can dish it out but can't take it huh? I'm just not in love with your team. It's old and injured and I thought you did a much better last year. It's nothing personal, I'm just being 100% honest.

[wdleehi]

The ability to spread the floor scares me a little, I don't like the Green and Foye combo personally.

That being said, I think your team is probably better than mine at this point. I don't mean to deflate the job you've done, again, I love all the players individually.

Why not?  Both have good handles.  Both have good passing ability.  Both have good shots.  Both can play two positions.  Both played as good teammates. 


Plus, no one said Foye is a lock to start at SG.

I would say that Foye would be my problem with your starting lineup. If it was me, I'd prefer a more catch and shoot player whose real strength is on the defensive end.

On the offensive side of things, he is fine.  16 and 4 while shooting 36% from the outside.


The reason I would find someone else to start at SG is the defensive side of the ball.  I wouldn't like the small back court defense of Conley/Foye.


But I think Foye will make a great third G able to play both G positions.  Having that in a a backup PG is huge. 


But he will get a chance to win a starting spot this season.

[Roy Hobbs]

Not sure if my pick of k-mart was good cause I'm not getting much feedback but I love the pick myself because it gives me a physical guy in the post and I felt with Roy and hedo there was not a need to go with a pg there

I think he's one of the better PFs left on the board.  He's a good defender, and can score and rebound.  His question marks are his health and his demeanor.

I do think you need to grab a PG soon, though.

[The Walker Wiggle]

We have time and trade assets to fix the C issue and get beasly to PF down the road, where he belongs.

What? Varejao starts at Center and Beasley at PF. Problem fixed now. Varejao played plenty of minutes in the middle for Cleveland, and posted a better PER at that position. He was possibly the second best defender on arguably the best defensive team in the league. And he's no fun to play against.

That's a young, mobile frontcourt.

[indeedproceed]

4(16) and 6(24) for a later 4th and a early 5th......bring out ya dead! bring out ya dead!

[crownsy]

We have time and trade assets to fix the C issue and get beasly to PF down the road, where he belongs.

What? Varejao starts at Center and Beasley at PF. Problem fixed now. Varejao played plenty of minutes in the middle for Cleveland, and posted a better PER at that position. He was possibly the second best defender on arguably the best defensive team in the league. And he's no fun to play against.

That's a young, mobile frontcourt.

thats also something we will take a long look at doing,

but to be honest, AV is drawing alot of interest, along with trevor, from teams looking to add a knock out 7th or 8th man and get over the top. once I start trading in the post draft period, he may be one who i get good offers for.

[johnnyrondo]

If you make a trade, Dons has to review it, post it, change the draft board, etc. Don't forget to give him TP's.

[JSD]

Also Roy and Edgar, instead of attacking my team why don't you just defend your own? I wanted you both to discuss my and other people's concerns.