Hornets interested in Baby, but would need to S&T for him -- Wright & Armstrong?

[nickagneta]

I believe if Baby signs for a contract starting at $4.5 mil, he could be traded to NO for Armstrong (who makes just under $2.81 mil) and Devin Brown (who I assume is on a vet min contract).

wouldn't do that -- just keep baby at that price. for wright and brown tho... maybe. they make a combined 3.107mil. so if baby signed for approximately 4, would it work?

I believe so. Brown would need to be included also for NO's end of the deal.

That wouldn't work because both teams are limited to bringing in over 125% of the outgoing salary. So if the C's S&T Baby at $4 million and send him out by himself then the most they can take in is $2.6 million in salary(125% + $100G of 50% of his first year salary of $4 million). But his outgoing salary is equal to $4 million. so the most NO could take in trade the players discussed at $3.1 million in salary is $3.82 million. baby's $4 million is more than that so the deal breaks down on both ends.

Yeah, Baby's new deal needs to be a shade under $4 mil in the first year. $3.9 mil works (Wright and Brown make a combined $3,107,612, which means NO can take back up to $3,984,515).

But the Celtics can only take in a max of less than $2.6 million so the trade still doesn't work. You are going to have to get the amount of money going both ways over $6 million per year.

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I believe if Baby signs for a contract starting at $4.5 mil, he could be traded to NO for Armstrong (who makes just under $2.81 mil) and Devin Brown (who I assume is on a vet min contract).

wouldn't do that -- just keep baby at that price. for wright and brown tho... maybe. they make a combined 3.107mil. so if baby signed for approximately 4, would it work?

I believe so. Brown would need to be included also for NO's end of the deal.

That wouldn't work because both teams are limited to bringing in over 125% of the outgoing salary. So if the C's S&T Baby at $4 million and send him out by himself then the most they can take in is $2.6 million in salary(125% + $100G of 50% of his first year salary of $4 million). But his outgoing salary is equal to $4 million. so the most NO could take in trade the players discussed at $3.1 million in salary is $3.82 million. baby's $4 million is more than that so the deal breaks down on both ends.

so bring the salary down to 3.8 or whatever it takes for all to be happy -- baby, the hornets and the Cs.

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I believe if Baby signs for a contract starting at $4.5 mil, he could be traded to NO for Armstrong (who makes just under $2.81 mil) and Devin Brown (who I assume is on a vet min contract).

wouldn't do that -- just keep baby at that price. for wright and brown tho... maybe. they make a combined 3.107mil. so if baby signed for approximately 4, would it work?

I believe so. Brown would need to be included also for NO's end of the deal.

That wouldn't work because both teams are limited to bringing in over 125% of the outgoing salary. So if the C's S&T Baby at $4 million and send him out by himself then the most they can take in is $2.6 million in salary(125% + $100G of 50% of his first year salary of $4 million). But his outgoing salary is equal to $4 million. so the most NO could take in trade the players discussed at $3.1 million in salary is $3.82 million. baby's $4 million is more than that so the deal breaks down on both ends.

Yeah, Baby's new deal needs to be a shade under $4 mil in the first year. $3.9 mil works (Wright and Brown make a combined $3,107,612, which means NO can take back up to $3,984,515).

But the Celtics can only take in a max of less than $2.6 million so the trade still doesn't work. You are going to have to get the amount of money going both ways over $6 million per year.

let's get a letter into hunter and stern. a sign & trade should not be this complex.

[Lucky17]

I believe if Baby signs for a contract starting at $4.5 mil, he could be traded to NO for Armstrong (who makes just under $2.81 mil) and Devin Brown (who I assume is on a vet min contract).

wouldn't do that -- just keep baby at that price. for wright and brown tho... maybe. they make a combined 3.107mil. so if baby signed for approximately 4, would it work?

I believe so. Brown would need to be included also for NO's end of the deal.

That wouldn't work because both teams are limited to bringing in over 125% of the outgoing salary. So if the C's S&T Baby at $4 million and send him out by himself then the most they can take in is $2.6 million in salary(125% + $100G of 50% of his first year salary of $4 million). But his outgoing salary is equal to $4 million. so the most NO could take in trade the players discussed at $3.1 million in salary is $3.82 million. baby's $4 million is more than that so the deal breaks down on both ends.

Yeah, Baby's new deal needs to be a shade under $4 mil in the first year. $3.9 mil works (Wright and Brown make a combined $3,107,612, which means NO can take back up to $3,984,515).

But the Celtics can only take in a max of less than $2.6 million so the trade still doesn't work. You are going to have to get the amount of money going both ways over $6 million per year.

It does work, because Devin Brown's deal is a vet minimum contract, which doesn't factor into incoming salary.

The Celtics could trade a draft pick for Brown today, and not have to send payroll back to NO for him.

[footey]

how about posey?

danny won't bring back posey

I disagree. Posey makes the most sense because we already know that he fits perfectly into our roster.  There is no chemistry risk whatsoever. Posey signed for a longer term deal. Nothing wrong with that. Danny's total focus needs on winning in '09 and '10. If we have to completely rebuild after that, who cares? It will be worth it.

[ssspence]

how about posey?

danny won't bring back posey

I disagree. Posey makes the most sense because we already know that he fits perfectly into our roster.  There is no chemistry risk whatsoever. Posey signed for a longer term deal. Nothing wrong with that. Danny's total focus needs on winning in '09 and '10. If we have to completely rebuild after that, who cares? It will be worth it.

i'm not saying it doesn't make sense to you, or in general. i'm saying it doesn't make sense to danny. he just signed sheed to a two year deal. he would not have signed him to a four year deal, ala posey. he's not going to revisit posey, particularly in their current lux tax situation. he will use trade for cheaper players (like i'm suggesting) or the LLE or Vet Min for a back-up wing.

[Birdbrain]

I doubt very seriously Danny would take on a contract of a player he didn't think was worth it just last year.  He was right and should stay the course.

[footey]

how about posey?

danny won't bring back posey

I disagree. Posey makes the most sense because we already know that he fits perfectly into our roster.  There is no chemistry risk whatsoever. Posey signed for a longer term deal. Nothing wrong with that. Danny's total focus needs on winning in '09 and '10. If we have to completely rebuild after that, who cares? It will be worth it.

i'm not saying it doesn't make sense to you, or in general. i'm saying it doesn't make sense to danny. he just signed sheed to a two year deal. he would not have signed him to a four year deal, ala posey. he's not going to revisit posey, particularly in their current lux tax situation. he will use trade for cheaper players (like i'm suggesting) or the LLE or Vet Min for a back-up wing.

The fact that Danny failed to give Posey a 4 year deal a year ago does not mean he would not take him back now. First, a year has been used up, so there is only 3 years left. Second, with a little truth syrum, my guess is that Danny regrets not having met Posey's extra year, although KG's injury made that less of an issue. Third, management has been prety clear that luxury tax is not a driving issue for them, as they know their time to strike the iron is for the next two seasons, after which, let's face it, the wheels fall off.  I still think Posey makes alot of sense for us, and would be great playing with Rasheed.

[hwangjini_1]

good discussion, i am learning quite a bit about salaries and trades.

one question - how do draft choices factor into the equation when calculating salaries in a trade?

that is, is scal at $3 million/year equal (only in dollars) to 2 number one picks?

or are draft choices totally out of the calculation?

finally, if bbd is shuffled off to another team, i would rather have draft picks than some of the players being discussed here.

thanks in advance.

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I believe if Baby signs for a contract starting at $4.5 mil, he could be traded to NO for Armstrong (who makes just under $2.81 mil) and Devin Brown (who I assume is on a vet min contract).

wouldn't do that -- just keep baby at that price. for wright and brown tho... maybe. they make a combined 3.107mil. so if baby signed for approximately 4, would it work?

I believe so. Brown would need to be included also for NO's end of the deal.

That wouldn't work because both teams are limited to bringing in over 125% of the outgoing salary. So if the C's S&T Baby at $4 million and send him out by himself then the most they can take in is $2.6 million in salary(125% + $100G of 50% of his first year salary of $4 million). But his outgoing salary is equal to $4 million. so the most NO could take in trade the players discussed at $3.1 million in salary is $3.82 million. baby's $4 million is more than that so the deal breaks down on both ends.

Yeah, Baby's new deal needs to be a shade under $4 mil in the first year. $3.9 mil works (Wright and Brown make a combined $3,107,612, which means NO can take back up to $3,984,515).

But the Celtics can only take in a max of less than $2.6 million so the trade still doesn't work. You are going to have to get the amount of money going both ways over $6 million per year.

It does work, because Devin Brown's deal is a vet minimum contract, which doesn't factor into incoming salary.

The Celtics could trade a draft pick for Brown today, and not have to send payroll back to NO for him.

roy? sorry but you're the guru....

i can't find confirmation brown is on the vet min. i think it's unlikely considering he had a player option he just picked up.

[Lucky17]

good discussion, i am learning quite a bit about salaries and trades.

one question - how do draft choices factor into the equation when calculating salaries in a trade?

that is, is scal at $3 million/year equal (only in dollars) to 2 number one picks?

or are draft choices totally out of the calculation?

finally, if bbd is shuffled off to another team, i would rather have draft picks than some of the players being discussed here.

thanks in advance.

Draft picks have no monetary value for trading purposes until they have been formally signed to contracts.

[Lucky17]

roy? sorry but you're the guru....

i can't find confirmation brown is on the vet min.....

We'll I just ran the ESPN trade machine, trading Brown to Boston for nothing, and it worked. I assume that means Brown is a min-level contract, but I could be wrong.

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roy? sorry but you're the guru....

i can't find confirmation brown is on the vet min.....

We'll I just ran the ESPN trade machine, trading Brown to Boston for nothing, and it worked. I assume that means Brown is a min-level contract, but I could be wrong.

see my above edit. can a min player have an option?

[BballTim]

how about posey?

danny won't bring back posey

I disagree. Posey makes the most sense because we already know that he fits perfectly into our roster.  There is no chemistry risk whatsoever. Posey signed for a longer term deal. Nothing wrong with that. Danny's total focus needs on winning in '09 and '10. If we have to completely rebuild after that, who cares? It will be worth it.

i'm not saying it doesn't make sense to you, or in general. i'm saying it doesn't make sense to danny. he just signed sheed to a two year deal. he would not have signed him to a four year deal, ala posey. he's not going to revisit posey, particularly in their current lux tax situation. he will use trade for cheaper players (like i'm suggesting) or the LLE or Vet Min for a back-up wing.

The fact that Danny failed to give Posey a 4 year deal a year ago does not mean he would not take him back now. First, a year has been used up, so there is only 3 years left. Second, with a little truth syrum, my guess is that Danny regrets not having met Posey's extra year, although KG's injury made that less of an issue. Third, management has been prety clear that luxury tax is not a driving issue for them, as they know their time to strike the iron is for the next two seasons, after which, let's face it, the wheels fall off.  I still think Posey makes alot of sense for us, and would be great playing with Rasheed.

  Posey's getting older and his play will decline. If you look at his play over the 4 years his best year is probably gone. Also, his pay increases each year and the least expensive year is gone. Compared to last year the average price per year over the remaining contract is higher and the average contribution per year over the remaining contract is lower. It's a worse deal now than it was when Ainge passed on it last year.

[Lucky17]

roy? sorry but you're the guru....

i can't find confirmation brown is on the vet min.....

We'll I just ran the ESPN trade machine, trading Brown to Boston for nothing, and it worked. I assume that means Brown is a min-level contract, but I could be wrong.

see my above edit. can a min player have an option?

I don't know of a reason why not.

He has 7 years of experience in the NBA, but is making only a little more than $1 mil this season. I'm pretty sure that has to be the minimum for a player of his tenure in the league.