Summer League 09' Game #2

[xmuscularghandix]

Swift doesn't make this team.

[PosImpos]

So far the only players who seem to have a real chance of making our team are the guys who have already been on our roster.

Swift and Karl might have slight chances.  There seems to be a consensus that Coby Karl definitely looks like an NBA player, but he probably isn't going to play with our team.

[Tr1boy]

http://www.nba.com/media/magic/bosorl_boxscore_070709.pdf

FYI bryce taylor and darius washington left the team. Both didn't really have a chance anyways

- Giddens is at least playing hard and trying to make things happen. He needs to learn how to shoot.

-Pruitt is a trustworthy d league and summer league games player. Not nba player

- Hudson can't have anymore mediocre games

- Swift with better conditioning has an outside chance to make the team. Put it this way, there isn't any fa centre backups we could sign that would be alot betterb anyways. (we also won't have any money to sign a decent backup after we use everything we can on wallace)

- With danny wanting to stay away from injured players do walker and sweetney even have a chance now?


Ranking thus far

1. Giddens - d league again until he can prove he can shoot.
2. Pruitt - Is a sg and the celts already have a full house in the sg position. I see him going to europe
3. Walker - Injured. Physically strong. Nothing stands out from his game. D leauge just cause
4. Swift - As long as he gets in better shape the more he plays he will get invited to the celtics trainning camp
5. Hudson - he has to get it going. If the summer games started today he would be cut easily
6. Fazekas/Rogers - Both have some touch on offense. Brutal defensive players. No chances

[no kidding]

With as much money as the Celtics are going to use to sign Rasheed Wallace, and hopefully Glen Davis, then I figure they're going to be forced to cut every reasonable corner. That means they'll install Pruitt as the backup point guard, and play either Walker or Giddens behind Pierce. And that seems right to me, especially since Pruitt would pair up reasonably well with House.

Swift looks like the third string center (what else do you got?). The odd man out may be Lester Hudon. He's not showing much.

[PosImpos]

With as much money as the Celtics are going to use to sign Rasheed Wallace, and hopefully Glen Davis, then I figure they're going to be forced to cut every reasonable corner. That means they'll install Pruitt as the backup point guard, and play either Walker or Giddens behind Pierce. And that seems right to me, especially since Pruitt would pair up reasonably well with House.

Swift looks like the third string center (what else do you got?). The odd man out may be Lester Hudon. He's not showing much.

If that's the case, we're in trouble.

We're going to have a really tough year if Walker and Giddens are all we have to back up Pierce.  We can't afford to have Pierce and Allen super tired from playing more than 35 mpg over the course of the season. 

Maybe we'll be able to trade TA and other expiring contracts to get a backup wing.  Or we could at least sign somebody with the minimum like Keith Bogans.

[no kidding]

With as much money as the Celtics are going to use to sign Rasheed Wallace, and hopefully Glen Davis, then I figure they're going to be forced to cut every reasonable corner. That means they'll install Pruitt as the backup point guard, and play either Walker or Giddens behind Pierce. And that seems right to me, especially since Pruitt would pair up reasonably well with House.

Swift looks like the third string center (what else do you got?). The odd man out may be Lester Hudon. He's not showing much.

If that's the case, we're in trouble.

We're going to have a really tough year if Walker and Giddens are all we have to back up Pierce.  We can't afford to have Pierce and Allen super tired from playing more than 35 mpg over the course of the season. 

Maybe we'll be able to trade TA and other expiring contracts to get a backup wing.  Or we could at least sign somebody with the minimum like Keith Bogans.

Don't slash your wrists over any of this. You know, we're only talking about some 18 minutes maximum for Walker/Giddens as a backup to Pierce. With Wallace, Davis, and House out on the floor with you, there should be plenty of offense as it is.

[PosImpos]

With as much money as the Celtics are going to use to sign Rasheed Wallace, and hopefully Glen Davis, then I figure they're going to be forced to cut every reasonable corner. That means they'll install Pruitt as the backup point guard, and play either Walker or Giddens behind Pierce. And that seems right to me, especially since Pruitt would pair up reasonably well with House.

Swift looks like the third string center (what else do you got?). The odd man out may be Lester Hudon. He's not showing much.

If that's the case, we're in trouble.

We're going to have a really tough year if Walker and Giddens are all we have to back up Pierce.  We can't afford to have Pierce and Allen super tired from playing more than 35 mpg over the course of the season. 

Maybe we'll be able to trade TA and other expiring contracts to get a backup wing.  Or we could at least sign somebody with the minimum like Keith Bogans.

Don't slash your wrists over any of this. You know, we're only talking about some 18 minutes maximum for Walker/Giddens as a backup to Pierce. With Wallace, Davis, and House out on the floor with you, there should be plenty of offense as it is.

Well, with House and Sheed off the bench our bench offense isn't really a problem...it's the defense and the turnovers.  If our bench lineup were House, Giddens, Walker, Baby, and Sheed we'd have a pretty turnover prone lineup with only one standout defender.  Same deal if it's Pruitt House Walker Baby and Sheed.

If we get a defensive vet who can hit spot up threes like Keith Bogans or Ime Udoka (for the minimum) and hold onto BBD, then I think we'll be alright.  I'm okay with Walker or Giddens getting 10 minutes or so a night, but we'll be in trouble if any of our summer league guys are playing on the floor at the same time for significant minutes in non-blowout situations.

[bucknersrevenge]

Giddens looks good. I think he'll be up this year from the start of the season even if he doesn't play much unless he's traded(hope not). Waler I think still needs the DLeague more. All he can do right now is dunk and foul hard. I would like to think Gabe would be further along than this.

[PosImpos]

Seems to me like Giddens has benefited from all the D-League time, a lot more than Walker benefited from playing a few minutes here and there for the Celtics. 

[JBcat]

Seems to me like Giddens has benefited from all the D-League time, a lot more than Walker benefited from playing a few minutes here and there for the Celtics. 

Walker played better than Giddens during his 15 game stint in the D league last year which is why he was the first one called up.  We can't make a judgement like that after 1 summer league game he played. 

 

Giddens looks good. I think he'll be up this year from the start of the season even if he doesn't play much unless he's traded(hope not). Waler I think still needs the DLeague more. All he can do right now is dunk and foul hard. I would like to think Gabe would be further along than this.

Again we rushing judgement here.  Walker has more tools than what you mentioned.  In comparison to Giddens I would say Walker is slightly the better scorer and Walker actually shot .400 from threes last year in the D league. 

If anything I still think as or right now Walker would be the 1st one on the active roster if they were considered equals as I think of Walker as a true 3 and Giddens as more of a 2.  We already have TA and Eddie that can back up Ray.  TA really can't play the 3 and Scal is a reach there.   So if we don't sign Hill or any other adequate vet backup I think Walker would be used first with the roster we have now.   

[EJPLAYA]

Giddens also looks much smaller than Walker for some reason out there. He seems to have the size of a 2 instead of a 3. An undersized SF is only going to give you the same issues that TA faced. He isn't the answer behind PP. Not sure that Walker has the skills to be that player either though. He sure didn't impress me in what I saw against these scrubs.

[EatSleepBreatheGreen]

OK so I watched both games, but I am by no means ready to cut any of these guys until Summer League is wrapped up.



Gabe Pruitt - supposed to be our backup PG?

Gabe looks like he is OVERCONFIDENT out there, probably because he was on our bench last year so he thinks his spot is guaranteed. He is not pushing the ball up like he should, not using screens, and passing to the wrong person on the wing. When he's not doing that, he's driving to the hole and actually making some nice finishes. He is getting burned on DEF though, and it seems like its every time after he makes a shot on the other end. Overall I am dissappointed so far because I was expecting better execution and decision making. So far, he get's cut by me in favor of a FA PG.

JR Giddens - Tony Allen 2.0?

JR is already miles ahead of Gerald Green and K.Brown in terms of handles, and defense. However, on offense he often looks out of control, and doesnt know what to do when people dont bite on his jab step or pump fake. Those are the only TWO moves I have seen him TRY to implement. His defense is much improved. He is staying with his man(for the most part), fighting through screens, and had a couple of impressive blocks and steals. Giddens needs to slow down and let the game come to him. Call for a screen and use it properly, drive and dish(in control), or just shoot the [dang] 15 footer coming off of a screen. PLEASE learn to shoot that shot and you will have a pretty good NBA career. Overall, I am expecting a little more, but I am not ready to give up on this kid. D-League and maybe brought up at the Allstar break.

Bill Walker - backup Pierce?

Maybe in a street fight he can backup Pierce, lol. Walker has added a post game to his repertoire. This is great, but he needs to shoot the midrange to 3pt jumper to get playing time. He had some nice D in the first game, but forced ALOT of shots. We need better decision making and solid (not fouling) defense. Overall, I cant really say anything too bad because he didnt play in the 2nd game. I'll make a decision by the end of summer league.

Lester Hudson - better than Pruitt.

I want him to succeed. I want him to be Leon Powe 2.0(actually he's little so maybe Powe 0.5?). People keep saying he is a short shooting guard, I see a scoring PG. He brings the ball up decently(better than House), moves without the ball, and has already sold me on his defense. No he's not just locking down the other PG, he's also swatting some unsuspecting SG or forward's shot. When he's not doing that, he's playing the passing lanes perfectly. He has had some lapses of poor decision making, but he's a rookie(old, but still). In the second game he didnt shoot too well. That can be either he was nervous, or off today. Maybe he's a streaky shooter, I dont know. I have to wait until the league is over to judge that. Overall, if Pruitt does  not improve over the course of this week, I am ready to give Lester his roster spot, but am still not ready to make Lester the backup PG.

Robert Swift - is his name an oxymoron or what?
He's ugly. No, not just his face, his game too. But, I must admit in game two he had a couple of rejections and didnt seem as winded as game 1. Thats it for praising him. He looks like he has NO lift in his legs, slow on rotations, cant stop Ryan Anderson, and besides a spin to lefty hook, I have not seen any good post moves. Overall, please just cut him now...END THE LOVE AFFAIR DANNY!

Everyone else:
Coby Karl is Jiri Welsch, or Luke Jackson.

Fazekas hit a couple of nice threes, and played good defense in the 2nd game. More on him after a couple of more games.

Sweetney needs to lay off the Sweet-tea. All this talk of being in the best shape of his life...if thats the case, I feel bad for him. But dont feel too bad, he lasted longer than Swift.

Everyone else is a blur. Either did not impress or maybe I was watching the other people too much.