Kelly Dwyer Article on Rasheed: Very Critical of His Play Last Season

[toinewalka]

Even on the decline he is a great player.  He was the number one choice for every GM that is going to be contending for a title, make all the arguments you want about him giving up last year and/or not playing hard, but he can still flat out PLAY.  Even with a decline he will be HUGE for this team.

[BballTim]

Sheed didn't quit, he declined. Big difference.

I don't see it as declining. first and foremost DET was an entirely dysfunctional team post CB trade.

He was already bad in 07/08.

I disagree, but even it was decline, putting him as the third big (behind KG and Perk) is a perfect role....as opposed to him going somewhere and having to be a starter.

Agree to disagree.

I think he is a downgrade from BBD. He sucks on defense nowadays, grabs less rebounds and takes far more jumpshots than the Baby. He doesn´t seem to care for years now. 97% of the Pistons fans will agree with me.

  He takes more outside shots than Davis but he's a significantly better outside shooter. He's also a better rebounder than Davis. As for the original article, he may have been mailing it in but he had one of his better rebounding seasons and his number of inside shots only decreased by a very slight rate over the last couple of years.

[paintitgreen]

My problem with that list is that a majority of those guys aren't available. The real question I guess comes down to which available guys did we choose Sheed over?

Powe - not likely to play this year, still can be had without MLE. If we don't keep him (and for the record, I hope we do), it's not because of Sheed, it's because of his knees.

Davis - we don't need the MLE to get him; that said, probably not enough PT for both him and Sheed - if we can use Davis to get a perimeter asset or backup point, then that factor has to be considered; if we let Davis walk, we'll have to cross that bridge. For the record, I think Wallace is a better player over the next two years.

Pachulia - maybe we could have gotten him, but I belive he's restricted. I also definitely prefer Sheed.

McDyess - I think Wallace is a better player, but if McDyess goes for less money, it may have been a mistake to go for Wallace instead.

Gortat - I think Wallace gives us more versatility with the ability to play 4 and 5, so I think he's a better fit. I also think Gortat's more of a risk.

Andersen - one trick pony in my mind, though as with McDyess, we'll have to see about the money in the end.

Odom - out of our price range.

Millsap - restricted, out of our price range.

Given what was actually available, I'd rather take my chances with a proven player who has the ability to play both inside and outside on both ends of the court, and one who, contrary to assertions, actually had the third best rebounding rate of his career last year.

I will say, I would have been very interested in getting Jeff Foster from the Pacers for Scalabrine, Tony Allen and one of our young guys, if that was possible. But bear in mind, Foster makes more over the next two years than Wallace, and we still have Scalabrine, Allen, and any other part to trade for a wing player.

I think this was the best move for our team. Questions remain as to whether we'll follow it up properly by addressing our wing needs. And I don't think Wallace is done, I think he will have a very good season this year. While I think he has declined a little, I think the situation last year with a weak coach and a complete lack of camaraderie on that team made Wallace's numbers seem worse than they would have been.

[LarBrd33]

haven't read the article yet.

Are we sure Sheed "quit" on his team?... or is he just washed up?

His last game he was like 0-7 with 5 rebounds and no points.

[toinewalka]

The big Three have had their numbers declining too......

[LarBrd33]

Even if he did decline, I'll say this...

If you don't understand why Rasheed Wallace is a MASSIVE upgrade over Glen Davis... then you clearly don't understand why Kevin Garnett is the best player on the Celtics and why the Celtics didn't stand a chance of repeating without him last year.

[Birdbrain]

Losing BBD puts us another injury away from Scals manning the PF for major minutes.  A net negative indeed if BBD is really gone.  I don't believe he really is gone so it will all work out in the end.

[LarBrd33]

Losing BBD puts us another injury away from Scals manning the PF for major minutes.  A net negative indeed if BBD is really gone.  I don't believe he really is gone so it will all work out in the end.

Nah.  We could fill BBD's role with any fat scrub with some skill.  MIke Sweetney is probably better.  Let him walk.  lol

[Birdbrain]

Losing BBD puts us another injury away from Scals manning the PF for major minutes.  A net negative indeed if BBD is really gone.  I don't believe he really is gone so it will all work out in the end.

Nah.  We could fill BBD's role with any fat scrub with some skill.  MIke Sweetney is probably better.  Let him walk.  lol

Is this suppose to be a post or are you pulling hair like 13 year old?

And it sure didn't deserve an lol. 

[snively]

Losing BBD puts us another injury away from Scals manning the PF for major minutes.  A net negative indeed if BBD is really gone.  I don't believe he really is gone so it will all work out in the end.

That's a good point, but it all comes down to value.  If you resign Baby for 3-4 mil, are the owners willing to add a good wing?  I view Baby as injury insurance.  He's comfortable with the ball in his hands, can play the role of the 4 or 5 on D, get off shots and score some points if one of KG or Sheed goes down with injury.  But can we afford the injury insurance?  And is Baby suited to the 5-10 minute role as a back-up 4?  I'm not sure Glen is ideal for that role.  Scal and Sheed are better shooters, and Baby doesn't offer any special skill he could get mileage out of in a brief stint.  He's only a marginally better rebounder than Scal and I think Scal is a better defender for quick 4s.  

If the owners don't want to pony up for a payroll near 90 mil, I think the team should look for a cheaper big better suited to 5-10 minute impact.  I wouldn't mind Shelden Williams.  Excellent rebounder who could come in and bang bodies for a couple minutes a night.  Either that or wait for Powe at midseason.

[LarBrd33]

Losing BBD puts us another injury away from Scals manning the PF for major minutes.  A net negative indeed if BBD is really gone.  I don't believe he really is gone so it will all work out in the end.

Nah.  We could fill BBD's role with any fat scrub with some skill.  MIke Sweetney is probably better.  Let him walk.  lol

Is this suppose to be a post or are you pulling hair like 13 year old?

And it sure didn't deserve an lol. 

I think Mike Sweetney might be better than Glen Davis.

[QuinielaBox]

And also, why is nobody giving AI, Hamilton, Prince, Stuckey, or any of the other Pistons crap.  They were a HORRIBLE team with a HORRIBLE coach, and a HORRIBLE situation.  AI completely quit, Hamilton pouted and moaned on the bench and tried to score every time he touched it when he finally started.  Prince looked terrible, and Stuckey looked more like a rookie than his rookie season, but everyone looks at Sheed because A) we signed him and b) he has the "attitude problem.  Granted not all guys on bad teams quit, but I would put money down that he shows up next season.

BIG SIGNING.   Be thankful.

I think it was a combination of a horrible coach and a horrible trade (Chauncey for AI) that did in the Pistons. The Sheed got bored out there. I don't blame him. He had less technicals out there because he was less passionate about the game last year.

[Birdbrain]

Losing BBD puts us another injury away from Scals manning the PF for major minutes.  A net negative indeed if BBD is really gone.  I don't believe he really is gone so it will all work out in the end.

Nah.  We could fill BBD's role with any fat scrub with some skill.  MIke Sweetney is probably better.  Let him walk.  lol

Is this suppose to be a post or are you pulling hair like 13 year old?

And it sure didn't deserve an lol. 

I think Mike Sweetney might be better than Glen Davis.

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.  Oh well you can keep Sweetney.  I still don't think it was funny enough for an lol.  But to each his own.

[JHTruth]

Very difficult to read anything too much into that horrible year for the Pistons last year. Even Chauncey looked like garbage until he was traded to Denver.

I'm going to assume that was a lost year from now. We'll see what we get from Sheed going forward..

[victorycigar]

last year was not the first time sheed has mailed it in for detroit.  do any of you remember sheed's meltdown against the Cavs in the ECF in 2006?  or during his playoff history with portland?  sheed can sometimes fly off the handle when the his team gets down or hits a rough patch.  he had problems with flip saunders (and billups was still there), not just michael curry.  sheed's mental fortitude can come into question when the chips are down for his team.

my two big concerns with the sheed signing were his transition to a bench role and his mental toughness.