Should consider Rodney Carney

[bknova]

if you're going to sign carney, you might as well just play walker.

I don't know if its that simple.  Carney has a much more developed offensive game than Walker, so he may be easier to plug in there.  But ultimately, I do see your point, and I don't know if it is worth spending the money or the roster spot on another wing that we can't count on, no matter what their skillset is. 

Walker still hasn't proved he belongs on the court.  Until then, that role needs to be outsourced.

[winsomme]

if you're going to sign carney, you might as well just play walker.

I don't know if its that simple.  Carney has a much more developed offensive game than Walker, so he may be easier to plug in there.  But ultimately, I do see your point, and I don't know if it is worth spending the money or the roster spot on another wing that we can't count on, no matter what their skillset is. 

yeah i agree that Carney is more developed than both our wings. he's also a little bit longer.

overall, I'd say they are similar talents, but carney probably would be a little bit more productive at this point in his career and development.

i also agree about a roster spot on him.

what about a S&T for Walker or JR?

we do it in order to keep another roster spot open. MIN does it to not lose Carney for nothing.

[hwangjini_1]

They should consider the former lottery pick(i think, at least mid first if not late lottery) Rodney Carney, dude is around 6-8 extremely athletic and could probably come really cheap. He would be a good backup wing player and play the Posey role. He didn't get many minutes with the Twolves and the Sixers before that, but he has the length and quickness to guard multiple positions the 2, 3, and smaller 4's, as well as the Lebrons. Idk I think they should consider him; he looked good in my opinion at least on defense whenever he came into the game for the Wolves. He could probably come pretty cheap and if they don't feel Giddens and/or walker are ready to contribute meaningful minutes, he should be at least considered. He is young, unlike Grant Hill and a decent 3 point shooter as well

John Hollinger said this about him:

rotation player who can likely be had at a bargain price since the Wolves didn't pick up the final year of his contract, making him an unrestricted free agent. Carney offers two things nearly every team is looking for: an athletic wing who can defend and a decent 3-point shooter. He made 35 percent from distance last season while taking more than half his shots from out there.

Carney doesn't have great offensive instincts, so unless he's throwing down a highlight-reel jam he's pretty much a catch-and-shoot guy. But he's a solid role player and, at 25, still has a chance to get better.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=freeagents-090701

welcome to cb and a good first post/thread.

i just gave you a tp, so i suggest you immediately log on NOWW to a thread that asks for your "post to tp" ratio.

you would hands down be the winner. 

[Mr October]

if you're going to sign carney, you might as well just play walker.

If Walker can shoot the NBA 3 at 35% and have a clue on defense, i'd be ecstatic and we'd have our man for the backup 3.

Forget the 3 ball, if he could even consistently hit the 18-20 foot jumper that would be enough on offense.

[celticinorlando]

YES

[Change]

if you're going to sign carney, you might as well just play walker.

If Walker can shoot the NBA 3 at 35% and have a clue on defense, i'd be ecstatic and we'd have our man for the backup 3.

Forget the 3 ball, if he could even consistently hit the 18-20 foot jumper that would be enough on offense.

Have you seen Walker play enough to make the conclusion? I don't think so. Carney isn't an upgrade. 3rd year player and 7points on a terrible team isn't anything to be excited about. At the very least we have to give JR & Walker a real shot before making any conclusions.

[celticinorlando]

if you're going to sign carney, you might as well just play walker.

If Walker can shoot the NBA 3 at 35% and have a clue on defense, i'd be ecstatic and we'd have our man for the backup 3.

Forget the 3 ball, if he could even consistently hit the 18-20 foot jumper that would be enough on offense.

forget about the jumper...if he had a clue on defense id be happy

[Mr October]

if you're going to sign carney, you might as well just play walker.

If Walker can shoot the NBA 3 at 35% and have a clue on defense, i'd be ecstatic and we'd have our man for the backup 3.

Forget the 3 ball, if he could even consistently hit the 18-20 foot jumper that would be enough on offense.

Have you seen Walker play enough to make the conclusion? I don't think so. Carney isn't an upgrade. 3rd year player and 7points on a terrible team isn't anything to be excited about. At the very least we have to give JR & Walker a real shot before making any conclusions.

Between college and garbage time on the C's he has not demonstrated much of an outside shot. He can dunk on crappy defenses. Cool. I really hope he can step up next year. Otherwise it is time to move on. With swing men, you know what you've got within 2 years.

Right now, with Walker, Giddens and TA, I see 3 fairly athletic guys who can't shoot, and aren't good enough to be effective slashers in the half court against decent teams. If any of them can really step it up on defense I'll be happy.

[celticinorlando]

if you're going to sign carney, you might as well just play walker.

If Walker can shoot the NBA 3 at 35% and have a clue on defense, i'd be ecstatic and we'd have our man for the backup 3.

Forget the 3 ball, if he could even consistently hit the 18-20 foot jumper that would be enough on offense.

Have you seen Walker play enough to make the conclusion? I don't think so. Carney isn't an upgrade. 3rd year player and 7points on a terrible team isn't anything to be excited about. At the very least we have to give JR & Walker a real shot before making any conclusions.

Between college and garbage time on the C's he has not demonstrated much of an outside shot. He can dunk on crappy defenses. Cool. I really hope he can step up next year. Otherwise it is time to move on. With swing men, you know what you've got within 2 years.

Right now, with Walker, Giddens and TA, I see 3 fairly athletic guys who can't shoot, and aren't good enough to be effective slashers in the half court against decent teams. If any of them can really step it up on defense I'll be happy.

i agree with all you have posted...walker is an athlete who can dunk..nothing more...he lacks a real offensive game...tony allen is not a smart player....is me first and isnt that good. giddens i think might be good one day...just not now...but honestly..i dont think boston has a real option with one of those guys playing a good amount as the wing

[snively]

Haven't seen any of Carney's games, but he's significantly more experienced than J.R. or Billy, and he's shown pretty consistent, if mediocre production.  If his defense is good and Moon isn't available, I'd sign him and be content to check out midseason trade options.

[footey]

If Ainge liked Carney he would have gone after him by now.  He knows more about Carney than anyone on this board or anyone in the NBA other than McHale (who I'm sure has shared his personal views of Carney and every other player on the T Wolves roster with Danny).

[celticinorlando]

carney to me would fit in very well for boston...i still think danny is trying to figure out baby and a sign and trade involving our spare parts before firing off an offer..at least i hope

[jayk009]

If Carney was so good, then why didn't Minnesota even extend a qualifying offer to him to make him a restricted free agent? Why would they just let him go for nothing? These are just some things to keep in mind when considering Carney. Alot of people are in love with his athleticism, and I think that's why alot of people like him, but he is not a very good basketball player, it took 8 or so years for people to realize that Stromile Swift wasn't a good basketball player(who by the way is a free agent), it's just that Athleticism factor and that word "potential" that people seem to be infatuated by. 

[winsomme]

If Carney was so good, then why didn't Minnesota even extend a qualifying offer to him to make him a restricted free agent? Why would they just let him go for nothing? These are just some things to keep in mind when considering Carney. Alot of people are in love with his athleticism, and I think that's why alot of people like him, but he is not a very good basketball player, it took 8 or so years for people to realize that Stromile Swift wasn't a good basketball player(who by the way is a free agent), it's just that Athleticism factor and that word "potential" that people seem to be infatuated by. 

I don't think anybody is claiming that he is a huge talent. for me, I think he is just further along in terms of his development than say Walker and JR.

he actually seems like a very similar player to me as Giddens...except a little bit taller and closer to a SF dimensions-wise...

i could definitely see swapping him and JR with Minny and having it work out for both teams because MIN can wait a couple more years for JR to put his game together and we could benefit from Carney being ready to step and play minutes as a backup SF.

[jayk009]

If Carney was so good, then why didn't Minnesota even extend a qualifying offer to him to make him a restricted free agent? Why would they just let him go for nothing? These are just some things to keep in mind when considering Carney. Alot of people are in love with his athleticism, and I think that's why alot of people like him, but he is not a very good basketball player, it took 8 or so years for people to realize that Stromile Swift wasn't a good basketball player(who by the way is a free agent), it's just that Athleticism factor and that word "potential" that people seem to be infatuated by. 

I don't think anybody is claiming that he is a huge talent. for me, I think he is just further along in terms of his development than say Walker and JR.

he actually seems like a very similar player to me as Giddens...except a little bit taller and closer to a SF dimensions-wise...

i could definitely see swapping him and JR with Minny and having it work out for both teams because MIN can wait a couple more years for JR to put his game together and we could benefit from Carney being ready to step and play minutes as a backup SF.

Maybe Carney is more developed because of his playing time last year, but if you put Carney on this team last year, you can bet that he would have had the same treatment as Bill Walker and Giddens and not see any playing time at all. You can also say the same thing if u switch it around, if Bill Walker or JR Giddens took Carney's place last year, you can bet that they would have seen similar minutes as Carney.

The point I'm trying to make is that we already 2 very similar players in Bill Walker and Jr Giddens on this team and bringing in Carney would be a waste of time. It would be signing someone for the sake of signing a player, but it wouldn't really accomplish the need of having a capable backup for Pierce. Now if we lost one of Bill Walker/JR Giddens, and we were signing Rodney Carney to replace one of the two then I would have no problem with bringing him in. But with the current roster situation, I don't think Carney is the right player to fill the roster out.