Should consider Rodney Carney

[Roy Hobbs]

The Gerald Green comment is a low blow, and you know it. They can both jump and shoot, but Green cannot defend anybody, and does not know a thing about the game. While I cannot comment on Carney's BBIQ, the guy has put up decent on/off court splits on the defensive end.

How so?  You admit to not being able to comment on Carney's BBIQ, so how can you say he isn't like Gerald? 

Also, I think you're putting too much on statistics.  Here's a statistic you may find interesting:  Gerald has averaged significantly more points per minute than Carney has to this point in their respective careers.

Until Carney starts putting up more consistent numbers on a good team, I don't think he's anybody to rely upon.

[winsomme]

The Gerald Green comment is a low blow, and you know it. They can both jump and shoot, but Green cannot defend anybody, and does not know a thing about the game. While I cannot comment on Carney's BBIQ, the guy has put up decent on/off court splits on the defensive end.

How so?  You admit to not being able to comment on Carney's BBIQ, so how can you say he isn't like Gerald? 

Also, I think you're putting too much on statistics.  Here's a statistic you may find interesting:  Gerald has averaged significantly more points per minute than Carney has to this point in their respective careers.

Until Carney starts putting up more consistent numbers on a good team, I don't think he's anybody to rely upon.

It's not just stats. IMO he's figured out how to get his shot and playing better defense.

you might be right that you can't be certain until he puts up consistent numbers on a good team, but at that point he becomes un-gettable.

the idea is to get him BEFORE that time so you can get him for reasonable money.

that's where scouting comes in. you have to be ahead of the curve on players like that.

[Roy Hobbs]

The Gerald Green comment is a low blow, and you know it. They can both jump and shoot, but Green cannot defend anybody, and does not know a thing about the game. While I cannot comment on Carney's BBIQ, the guy has put up decent on/off court splits on the defensive end.

How so?  You admit to not being able to comment on Carney's BBIQ, so how can you say he isn't like Gerald? 

Also, I think you're putting too much on statistics.  Here's a statistic you may find interesting:  Gerald has averaged significantly more points per minute than Carney has to this point in their respective careers.

Until Carney starts putting up more consistent numbers on a good team, I don't think he's anybody to rely upon.

It's not just stats. IMO he's figured out how to get his shot and playing better defense.

you might be right that you can't be certain until he puts up consistent numbers on a good team, but at that point he becomes un-gettable.

the idea is to get him BEFORE that time so you can get him for reasonable money.

that's where scouting comes in. you have to be ahead of the curve on players like that.

As I said above, I'd be okay with Carney on a good contract.  However, that means no more than a near-minimum salary.  Otherwise, I'd rather go with a more proven veteran.  I just don't think we can rely upon him at this stage.

[winsomme]

The Gerald Green comment is a low blow, and you know it. They can both jump and shoot, but Green cannot defend anybody, and does not know a thing about the game. While I cannot comment on Carney's BBIQ, the guy has put up decent on/off court splits on the defensive end.

How so?  You admit to not being able to comment on Carney's BBIQ, so how can you say he isn't like Gerald? 

Also, I think you're putting too much on statistics.  Here's a statistic you may find interesting:  Gerald has averaged significantly more points per minute than Carney has to this point in their respective careers.

Until Carney starts putting up more consistent numbers on a good team, I don't think he's anybody to rely upon.

It's not just stats. IMO he's figured out how to get his shot and playing better defense.

you might be right that you can't be certain until he puts up consistent numbers on a good team, but at that point he becomes un-gettable.

the idea is to get him BEFORE that time so you can get him for reasonable money.

that's where scouting comes in. you have to be ahead of the curve on players like that.

As I said above, I'd be okay with Carney on a good contract.  However, that means no more than a near-minimum salary.  Otherwise, I'd rather go with a more proven veteran.  I just don't think we can rely upon him at this stage.

well I agree that about getting him on a "good contract," but I disagree with what a good contract would be for him.

I certainly would use the LLE on him. but I think Minny would match that....that's why I would consider a S&T with JR or TA....

[Roy Hobbs]

I certainly would use the LLE on him. but I think Minny would match that....that's why I would consider a S&T with JR or TA....

Why would Minnesota take back Tony? 

[Who]

Is Carney getting that much interest in free agency?

I had him pegged as a minimum contract guy.

[cdif911]

They should consider the former lottery pick(i think, at least mid first if not late lottery) Rodney Carney, dude is around 6-8 extremely athletic and could probably come really cheap. He would be a good backup wing player and play the Posey role. He didn't get many minutes with the Twolves and the Sixers before that, but he has the length and quickness to guard multiple positions the 2, 3, and smaller 4's, as well as the Lebrons. Idk I think they should consider him; he looked good in my opinion at least on defense whenever he came into the game for the Wolves. He could probably come pretty cheap and if they don't feel Giddens and/or walker are ready to contribute meaningful minutes, he should be at least considered. He is young, unlike Grant Hill and a decent 3 point shooter as well

John Hollinger said this about him:

rotation player who can likely be had at a bargain price since the Wolves didn't pick up the final year of his contract, making him an unrestricted free agent. Carney offers two things nearly every team is looking for: an athletic wing who can defend and a decent 3-point shooter. He made 35 percent from distance last season while taking more than half his shots from out there.

Carney doesn't have great offensive instincts, so unless he's throwing down a highlight-reel jam he's pretty much a catch-and-shoot guy. But he's a solid role player and, at 25, still has a chance to get better.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=freeagents-090701

Nice first post. Welcome to CB. Here's a Tommy Point.

1 post, 4 tps (just added one) - never post again, you'll be in the CB hall of fame!

[winsomme]

I certainly would use the LLE on him. but I think Minny would match that....that's why I would consider a S&T with JR or TA....

Why would Minnesota take back Tony? 

well you might send a pick with it, but JR would make more sense because they are similar talents...Carney is just more able to contribute right now.

[Lucky17]

I consider Carney more of a reclamation project than a rotation player. I think the comparison to Green is an apt one; great athlete, but lacks focus and BBIQ.

Would rather have an established vet wing defender like Parker than Carney.

[winsomme]

maybe time to look at Carney. personally I like him better than some of the guys being mentioned (Barnes, Parker, etc..)

He is similar in ability IMO to Walker and Giddens, but he is further along in his development, so I think he could be a more consistent performer this coming season.

I wonder in Danny is looking at him, and I wonder what his market value is.

[Mr October]

I'm surprised there hasn't been much action at all on Carney so far. If the C's want to add a player with enough length and skill at the 3 via free agency, there might not be many better options.

We've heard that Ainge has no interest in Barnes. Hill and parker are gone. This leaves:

Kleiza (hard player to trade for due to BYC / RFA)
Moon (also a difficult BYC / RFA player)
Daniels
Bogans
Carney

It could be as simple as: If Ainge signs a quasi-project in Carney, that is an admission that Tony, Giddens and Walker aren't worth much. 

[ssspence]

if you're going to sign carney, you might as well just play walker.

[Chris]

if you're going to sign carney, you might as well just play walker.

I don't know if its that simple.  Carney has a much more developed offensive game than Walker, so he may be easier to plug in there.  But ultimately, I do see your point, and I don't know if it is worth spending the money or the roster spot on another wing that we can't count on, no matter what their skillset is. 

[oldmanspeaks]

Carney is NOT 6'8. He is 6'4.5 wo shoes or 6'6 with them. His standing reach is less than 8'8. http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2006&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=1

There is nothing really wrong with him but he really isn't that outstanding at anything. He isn't a long distance shooter nor a great ballhandler. There is nothing wrong with having him on a team but also nothing to think he would make a significant impact

[Change]

Anyone else find the comparison of Rodney Carney to James Posey hilarious. The fairer comparison is to Bill Walker & JR Giddens. If thats the best we can get, we are in trouble. 2 is better than 1. Its just easier to go with what we have JR & Bill. And when they fail, we still have couple of expiring contract to get a major upgrade.