no logic to no Powe

[winsomme]

I love Leon too and I do see the logic in it.  See what kinds of offers he gets.  Don't tie our hands any more than we have to now.

In a month or so, after Leon gets an offer he likes, I am confident that Danny will match it or come close enough to keep Leon.  Leon will be back.  Its a business.  We have to spend wisely and timing is everything.

but if you want to see how it goes, then the thing to do is extend the QO.

not extending the QO is what ties our hands. not the other way around.

How does it tie our hands? Do you really think other teams would have signed Powe to an offer sheet that we would have had to match? No team is going to offer long term money right after an ACL injury, not with Powe's history.

It ties our hands because we have no way to sign him any more.

we could use some of the MLE or the LLE, but that takes away money we need for other FAs.

the only way to keep the LLE and MLE money free was to extend to QO.

not extending the QO, as i am seeing it, makes it nearly impossible to get Leon back.

I really want someone to show me where I'm wrong here, but I just don't see it.

What are you talking about... we still have his bird rights.

I thought by not extending the QO meant that we lose he Bird Rights....is that not correct?

If so, then that is the info I was hoping for.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Nope, remember TA last year.

[RAcker]

The QO would've been a decent amount over the minimum. The minimum is the only smart thing to lock him up with. I don't know if these teams realize how bad his injury is. Also, the league pays a certain amount of the vet minimum, so not doing the QO will save us a good chunk of money if the goal is to sign him.

The sad part is that it sounds like Danny and Doc were saying their goodbyes.

I know they both love Leon too.  It's a tough situation that I hope works out for Leon because he deserves a break.

[winsomme]

Nope, remember TA last year.

I thought TA took up part of the MLE.

[BudweiserCeltic]

QO only gives us the right to match offers. Bird rights is something different. For example, we have bird rights for Ray Allen.

[winsomme]

QO only gives us the right to match offers. Bird rights is something different. For example, we have bird rights for Ray Allen.

yeah but Ray is different. we're not denying any options on Ray. His contract is just over.

anyway, I will definitely concede to you on this because:

A) I really don't know.
B) I like your version better.

If we still have Leon's Bird Rights, then I'm not sure why Leon thinks he won't be back.

[Fafnir]

I love Leon too and I do see the logic in it.  See what kinds of offers he gets.  Don't tie our hands any more than we have to now.

In a month or so, after Leon gets an offer he likes, I am confident that Danny will match it or come close enough to keep Leon.  Leon will be back.  Its a business.  We have to spend wisely and timing is everything.

but if you want to see how it goes, then the thing to do is extend the QO.

not extending the QO is what ties our hands. not the other way around.

How does it tie our hands? Do you really think other teams would have signed Powe to an offer sheet that we would have had to match? No team is going to offer long term money right after an ACL injury, not with Powe's history.

It ties our hands because we have no way to sign him any more.

we could use some of the MLE or the LLE, but that takes away money we need for other FAs.

the only way to keep the LLE and MLE money free was to extend to QO.

not extending the QO, as i am seeing it, makes it nearly impossible to get Leon back.

I really want someone to show me where I'm wrong here, but I just don't see it.

We still have bird rights to him. Not extending the QO is not the same as renouncing him.

[Fafnir]

Nope, remember TA last year.

I thought TA took up part of the MLE.

He didn't. We used the MLE for House and J.R.

[Fafnir]

QO only gives us the right to match offers. Bird rights is something different. For example, we have bird rights for Ray Allen.

yeah but Ray is different. we're not denying any options on Ray. His contract is just over.

anyway, I will definitely concede to you on this because:

A) I really don't know.
B) I like your version better.

If we still have Leon's Bird Rights, then I'm not sure why Leon thinks he won't be back.

He probably was told that we likely won't be retaining him. If we're comitting to BBD to a long term contract then we really don't have room for Powe. One undersized big is enough!

[winsomme]

I love Leon too and I do see the logic in it.  See what kinds of offers he gets.  Don't tie our hands any more than we have to now.

In a month or so, after Leon gets an offer he likes, I am confident that Danny will match it or come close enough to keep Leon.  Leon will be back.  Its a business.  We have to spend wisely and timing is everything.

but if you want to see how it goes, then the thing to do is extend the QO.

not extending the QO is what ties our hands. not the other way around.

How does it tie our hands? Do you really think other teams would have signed Powe to an offer sheet that we would have had to match? No team is going to offer long term money right after an ACL injury, not with Powe's history.

It ties our hands because we have no way to sign him any more.

we could use some of the MLE or the LLE, but that takes away money we need for other FAs.

the only way to keep the LLE and MLE money free was to extend to QO.

not extending the QO, as i am seeing it, makes it nearly impossible to get Leon back.

I really want someone to show me where I'm wrong here, but I just don't see it.

We still have bird rights to him. Not extending the QO is not the same as renouncing him.

gotcha. That being the case, I guess my panic was totally unjustified.

now i just hope he's back.

[winsomme]

QO only gives us the right to match offers. Bird rights is something different. For example, we have bird rights for Ray Allen.

yeah but Ray is different. we're not denying any options on Ray. His contract is just over.

anyway, I will definitely concede to you on this because:

A) I really don't know.
B) I like your version better.

If we still have Leon's Bird Rights, then I'm not sure why Leon thinks he won't be back.

He probably was told that we likely won't be retaining him. If we're comitting to BBD to a long term contract then we really don't have room for Powe. One undersized big is enough!

I like both Leon and Baby, but I think Leon is a better complimentary player. I don't think he would mind being the 4th big behind Perk, KG and Sheed the way Baby might....

[BudweiserCeltic]

QO only gives us the right to match offers. Bird rights is something different. For example, we have bird rights for Ray Allen.

yeah but Ray is different. we're not denying any options on Ray. His contract is just over.

anyway, I will definitely concede to you on this because:

A) I really don't know.
B) I like your version better.

If we still have Leon's Bird Rights, then I'm not sure why Leon thinks he won't be back.

Bird rights simply mean that we can spend on a player who's been in our team for 3 years while still over the cap (we can offer Powe a max contract if we wanted to, or whatever it is the max he can make).

QO is what makes a player a restricted free-agent when they finish up their rookie contract, giving the team who gives the player a QO the right to first refusal (enables them to match an offer).

So, while Powe is no longer a restricted free-agent, we still retain his bird rights and can pay him whatever we want basically without using our other exceptions.

Ray next year won't be a restricted free-agent... we can't extend a QO to him, but we still have his bird rights so we can pay him even though we're over the cap.

[winsomme]

QO only gives us the right to match offers. Bird rights is something different. For example, we have bird rights for Ray Allen.

yeah but Ray is different. we're not denying any options on Ray. His contract is just over.

anyway, I will definitely concede to you on this because:

A) I really don't know.
B) I like your version better.

If we still have Leon's Bird Rights, then I'm not sure why Leon thinks he won't be back.

Bird rights simply mean that we can spend on a player who's been in our team for 3 years while still over the cap (we can offer Powe a max contract if we wanted to, or whatever it is the max he can make).

QO is what makes a player a restricted free-agent when they finish up their rookie contract, giving the team who gives the player a QO the right to first refusal (enables them to match an offer).

So, while Powe is no longer a restricted free-agent, we still retain his bird rights and can pay him whatever we want basically without using our other exceptions.

Ray next year won't be a restricted free-agent... we can't extend a QO to him, but we still have his bird rights so we can pay him even though we're over the cap.

sounds good to me.

[xmuscularghandix]

There is clear logic.

You can sign him cheaper by not doing the qualifying offer. You also don't have a commitment to give away money + lux tax money for someone who may never play.

Better to sign players who can play.

agreed, you can't just go out signing all your players becuase they're nice and your emotionally attached... they have to be able to play.

[johnnyrondo]

6th star winner, Powe wants to remain a Celtic. Danny tells him they don't want to waste a roster spot on him, b/c they only have a 2 yr window.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20090701powe_feels_celtics_career_over/

In related news Danny had about half of the roster be developing players this past year as we fell to the Magic in 7, b/c we had no depth and Ray and Pierce were exhausted. POB, Giddens, Walker, Tony, and Pruitt really helped with the short window.