no logic to no Powe

[winsomme]

I can't see any logic in no extending the QO to Leon. It's not like you are going to definitely end up with him on your team. clearly, if he is getting offers as is being reported other teams are interested in him, he is commodity around the league and wouldn't necessarily end up back here either way (QO or no QO)

the only thing that not extending the QO seems to do is make it nearly impossible to re-sign him under any circumstance.

If we are going to use the MLE or Sheed and possibly the LLE on a guy like Parker (or some other wing player) where would the cap space evem come from to try and keep him.

there just seems to be no logic here that I can see.

hopefully it ends up being okay for Leon because the guy deserves to get paid and IMO it should be with the Cs because he really risked the health of his knees coming back before he was probably ready to give us an extra piece to our depleted big man rotation.

if there is a way that this ends up Leon back here, can someone explain it to me....because I would really like for that to happen.

he seems like the perfect piece next to Rasheed in a big man rotation. he fights for EVERYTHING and Sheed's length makes Leon's undersize a non-issue.

[timpiker]

I love Leon too and I do see the logic in it.  See what kinds of offers he gets.  Don't tie our hands any more than we have to now.

In a month or so, after Leon gets an offer he likes, I am confident that Danny will match it or come close enough to keep Leon.  Leon will be back.  Its a business.  We have to spend wisely and timing is everything.

[guava_wrench]

There is clear logic.

You can sign him cheaper by not doing the qualifying offer. You also don't have a commitment to give away money + lux tax money for someone who may never play.

Better to sign players who can play.

[winsomme]

I love Leon too and I do see the logic in it.  See what kinds of offers he gets.  Don't tie our hands any more than we have to now.

In a month or so, after Leon gets an offer he likes, I am confident that Danny will match it or come close enough to keep Leon.  Leon will be back.  Its a business.  We have to spend wisely and timing is everything.

but if you want to see how it goes, then the thing to do is extend the QO.

not extending the QO is what ties our hands. not the other way around.

[johnnyrondo]

Powe will be this year's PJ/Mikki Moore. He will be signed around trade deadline time and will give us a huge boost as we get #18.

[Fafnir]

I love Leon too and I do see the logic in it.  See what kinds of offers he gets.  Don't tie our hands any more than we have to now.

In a month or so, after Leon gets an offer he likes, I am confident that Danny will match it or come close enough to keep Leon.  Leon will be back.  Its a business.  We have to spend wisely and timing is everything.

but if you want to see how it goes, then the thing to do is extend the QO.

not extending the QO is what ties our hands. not the other way around.

How does it tie our hands? Do you really think other teams would have signed Powe to an offer sheet that we would have had to match? No team is going to offer long term money right after an ACL injury, not with Powe's history.

[winsomme]

There is clear logic.

You can sign him cheaper by not doing the qualifying offer. You also don't have a commitment to give away money + lux tax money for someone who may never play.

Better to sign players who can play.

you can sign him for cheaper than what? his contract was at the bottom of the barrel to begin with....

your not saving any money by not extending the QO, your only saving money if he doesn't end up on the team FOR the QO....which easily could be avoided by not matching an offer he gets from another team...

[BudweiserCeltic]

There is clear logic.

You can sign him cheaper by not doing the qualifying offer. You also don't have a commitment to give away money + lux tax money for someone who may never play.

Better to sign players who can play.

you can sign him for cheaper than what? his contract was at the bottom of the barrel to begin with....

your not saving any money by not extending the QO, your only saving money if he doesn't end up on the team FOR the QO....which easily could be avoided by not matching an offer he gets from another team...

If Powe accepts the QO you don't save money.

[jdpapa3]

The QO would've been a decent amount over the minimum. The minimum is the only smart thing to lock him up with. I don't know if these teams realize how bad his injury is. Also, the league pays a certain amount of the vet minimum, so not doing the QO will save us a good chunk of money if the goal is to sign him.

The sad part is that it sounds like Danny and Doc were saying their goodbyes.

[Fafnir]

There is clear logic.

You can sign him cheaper by not doing the qualifying offer. You also don't have a commitment to give away money + lux tax money for someone who may never play.

Better to sign players who can play.

you can sign him for cheaper than what? his contract was at the bottom of the barrel to begin with....

your not saving any money by not extending the QO, your only saving money if he doesn't end up on the team FOR the QO....which easily could be avoided by not matching an offer he gets from another team...

You're saving around 600k IIRC if you sign him for the minimum.

What sort of offers do you think he'd be getting? He'd get none at the QO level, that is why his agent was publicly lobbying so hard for the QO. He wanted to make sure Powe could have a contract while rehabbing.

[winsomme]

I love Leon too and I do see the logic in it.  See what kinds of offers he gets.  Don't tie our hands any more than we have to now.

In a month or so, after Leon gets an offer he likes, I am confident that Danny will match it or come close enough to keep Leon.  Leon will be back.  Its a business.  We have to spend wisely and timing is everything.

but if you want to see how it goes, then the thing to do is extend the QO.

not extending the QO is what ties our hands. not the other way around.

How does it tie our hands? Do you really think other teams would have signed Powe to an offer sheet that we would have had to match? No team is going to offer long term money right after an ACL injury, not with Powe's history.

It ties our hands because we have no way to sign him any more.

we could use some of the MLE or the LLE, but that takes away money we need for other FAs.

the only way to keep the LLE and MLE money free was to extend to QO.

not extending the QO, as i am seeing it, makes it nearly impossible to get Leon back.

I really want someone to show me where I'm wrong here, but I just don't see it.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I love Leon too and I do see the logic in it.  See what kinds of offers he gets.  Don't tie our hands any more than we have to now.

In a month or so, after Leon gets an offer he likes, I am confident that Danny will match it or come close enough to keep Leon.  Leon will be back.  Its a business.  We have to spend wisely and timing is everything.

but if you want to see how it goes, then the thing to do is extend the QO.

not extending the QO is what ties our hands. not the other way around.

How does it tie our hands? Do you really think other teams would have signed Powe to an offer sheet that we would have had to match? No team is going to offer long term money right after an ACL injury, not with Powe's history.

It ties our hands because we have no way to sign him any more.

we could use some of the MLE or the LLE, but that takes away money we need for other FAs.

the only way to keep the LLE and MLE money free was to extend to QO.

not extending the QO, as i am seeing it, makes it nearly impossible to get Leon back.

I really want someone to show me where I'm wrong here, but I just don't see it.

What are you talking about... we still have his bird rights.

[toinewalka]

There was no reason to extend the QO to Leon which we all agree on.  I do think the Celtics will bring him back.  He is a great guy and a really hard worker.  The Celtics believed in him from day one and he really appreciates that.  Talking to his therapist, he hand-wrote thank you notes to the Celtics staff after his first season thanking them for giving him a chance and allowing him to thrive.  He's the kind of guy you want around for a long time, but coming off injuries, this is the right move at the right price for the right guy.

He'll work hard, be back, and contribute, let's just hope its the same contribution as old.

[winsomme]

There is clear logic.

You can sign him cheaper by not doing the qualifying offer. You also don't have a commitment to give away money + lux tax money for someone who may never play.

Better to sign players who can play.

you can sign him for cheaper than what? his contract was at the bottom of the barrel to begin with....

your not saving any money by not extending the QO, your only saving money if he doesn't end up on the team FOR the QO....which easily could be avoided by not matching an offer he gets from another team...

You're saving around 600k IIRC if you sign him for the minimum.

What sort of offers do you think he'd be getting? He'd get none at the QO level, that is why his agent was publicly lobbying so hard for the QO. He wanted to make sure Powe could have a contract while rehabbing.

well let's see what offers he gets. my bet is he gets more that the league minimum and one single dollar over the minimum is more than the Cs can offer...

[BudweiserCeltic]

There is clear logic.

You can sign him cheaper by not doing the qualifying offer. You also don't have a commitment to give away money + lux tax money for someone who may never play.

Better to sign players who can play.

you can sign him for cheaper than what? his contract was at the bottom of the barrel to begin with....

your not saving any money by not extending the QO, your only saving money if he doesn't end up on the team FOR the QO....which easily could be avoided by not matching an offer he gets from another team...

You're saving around 600k IIRC if you sign him for the minimum.

What sort of offers do you think he'd be getting? He'd get none at the QO level, that is why his agent was publicly lobbying so hard for the QO. He wanted to make sure Powe could have a contract while rehabbing.

well let's see what offers he gets. my bet is he gets more that the league minimum and one single dollar over the minimum is more than the Cs can offer...

Again, we have his bird rights.