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Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2009, 11:55:04 AM »

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If someone is going to make the C's better at MLE or below we'll sign him.  If not be happy you have a team that if healthy will represent the Eastern Conference in the finals. 

Where does Danny say to expect us to use the full MLE if it will make the team better?  In fact, Danny seems to be dampening expectations by saying that those MLE players might not be a good fit for us.

Assuming that Cs are financially constrained and will not add via MLE, it means trades and vet mins are how the team will add depth.  One would think the expiring contracts of TA+Scal could bring back some depth, but then the rest of the depth will be through vet min contracts.  Alternately, trading Ray for a serviceable - albeit not great - starting SG along with bench depth might be another strategy.

Before we start assuming financial constraints, let's recall that Grousbeck has said publicly the money was there to resign Posey last summer. The decision not to was made by the "basketball people."

the biggest financial constraint on this team is not making it past the second round of the playoffs.

certainly the owners saw all that lost revenue this past season.

they should look in the mirror with regards to that loss of revenue, and open thier check books this year.

Hope they enjoyed saving the money on posey vs. the loss of revenue when we had to rely to much on the starters and wore them out before the playoffs.

(and yes, i've heard the wyc washing his hands of any personal involvement on posey and putting the non-signing on "the basketball people" but i don't buy it.)

agree 100%.

Don't know that any of us know the truth. But Ainge has been known to make some pretty egregious miscalculations.

Either way is extremely believable.

And as for the Garnett injury, it certainly hurt. But we weren't going anywhere with Pierce on fumes and Allen worn down. Giddens washed out last year, and Walker's an immature kid. I'll be surprised if he helps at all before the Big Three window closes.

No bench, no title. Said it last summer. And I'll be saying it this summer if Ainge spends another year diving into the league's dumpsters.

Perhaps we should begin expecting the annual "Tony Allen will develop into our stopper" line from Danny ...

And I disagreed with you last summer as well.

and based on the lakers championship and our exit due to little to no depth with KG down, which lead to ray and paul playing extended minutes before the playoffs even started, I'd say the "we don't need a good bench, we can save some cash here" angle by management proved less than serviceable.

We probably were not going to take it without KG anyway, but once he went down, paul and ray had to play extended minutes, and they were gassed by the playoffs.

I'd prefer that not happen again, and that we spend the MLE and LLE to get soem depth.
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Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #91 on: June 23, 2009, 11:56:06 AM »

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I stand by that proclamation and this one.  The backup SF/C positions didn't preclude Boston from repeating.  KGs knee did.

Did anyone watch the playoffs and not feel that a healthy Garnett and we are in the finals?  Maybe it was just me.
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Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2009, 11:56:36 AM »

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And I stand by the results.

Blaming the early exit entirely on Garnett's injury is a strawman.

A healthy Garnett is going to be handicapped by a worn-down Pierce and Allen, regardless of his status.

The injury was a factor, but people using it to gloss over management's total failure to produce any bench depth are just covering up for Ainge. Again.

Rivers has laid out that failure pretty clearly, and pretty publicly. If it isn't addressed, we won't win a title.

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Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #93 on: June 23, 2009, 11:58:36 AM »

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I stand by that proclamation and this one.  The backup SF/C positions didn't preclude Boston from repeating.  KGs knee did.

Did anyone watch the playoffs and not feel that a healthy Garnett and we are in the finals?  Maybe it was just me.


right, but that has little to nothing to do with how bad our bench sucked.

Yes, KG going down ended our chances for a championship, that is not an excuse to adopt the off season policy you seem to be pushing, which is do nothing to improve and hope that this year we are luckier with regards to injury.



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Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #94 on: June 23, 2009, 11:59:13 AM »

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Well Orlando beat Cleveland and I think we could have beaten Orlando with a healthy Garnett.  It was 7 games without him.  

Not sure about this 'straw man'.

Just 1 c fans opinion.

No, I just have a more wait and see approach when all we have is the full mle to spend.  They drafted Walker and it would be dumb not to try him out.  Hopefully the can re-sign BBD as well.
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Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #95 on: June 23, 2009, 12:00:14 PM »

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Well Orlando beat Cleveland and I think we could have beaten Orlando with a healthy Garnett.  It was 7 games without him.  

Not sure about this 'straw man'.

Just 1 c fans opinion.

we get that, you think KG going down cost us a championship, so do alot of us.

address the other questions being posed to you about who will backup certain spots and why the lack of depth on this team isn't a concern if injuries occur again.
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Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2009, 12:00:38 PM »

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If someone is going to make the C's better at MLE or below we'll sign him.  If not be happy you have a team that if healthy will represent the Eastern Conference in the finals. 

Where does Danny say to expect us to use the full MLE if it will make the team better?  In fact, Danny seems to be dampening expectations by saying that those MLE players might not be a good fit for us.

Assuming that Cs are financially constrained and will not add via MLE, it means trades and vet mins are how the team will add depth.  One would think the expiring contracts of TA+Scal could bring back some depth, but then the rest of the depth will be through vet min contracts.  Alternately, trading Ray for a serviceable - albeit not great - starting SG along with bench depth might be another strategy.

Before we start assuming financial constraints, let's recall that Grousbeck has said publicly the money was there to resign Posey last summer. The decision not to was made by the "basketball people."

And you're going to believe that Bloke? and an KG is coming back to play in the next round of the playoffs.

Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #97 on: June 23, 2009, 12:00:40 PM »

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And I stand by the results.

Blaming the early exit entirely on Garnett's injury is a strawman.

A healthy Garnett is going to be handicapped by a worn-down Pierce and Allen, regardless of his status.

The injury was a factor, but people using it to gloss over management's total failure to produce any bench depth are just covering up for Ainge. Again.

JMO.

Yep.  I think that there's absolutely no guarantee that we would have gotten by Cleveland.  Orlando was a worse matchup for them.  To take the position "we would have won except for injuries" is the exact wrong viewpoint, in my opinion, because it simply leads to a repeat of last off-season's flawed plan.

One more time:  we need upgrades.  Especially, of course, because it looks like Cleveland will once again be improving.

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Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #98 on: June 23, 2009, 12:01:06 PM »

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I stand by that proclamation and this one.  The backup SF/C positions didn't preclude Boston from repeating.  KGs knee did.

Did anyone watch the playoffs and not feel that a healthy Garnett and we are in the finals?  Maybe it was just me.


you mean his knees that he has said bother him on an ongoing basis and have been put through 14 NBA seasons?


Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #99 on: June 23, 2009, 12:01:59 PM »

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People keep blaming that the C's were worn down on the lack of a bench. I think Garnett going out for is what did it. Garnett wasn't playing any more than he did last year, and a deeper bench in all likelyhood does not affect his bone spur/tendon issue.

Could the C's put a better team out there last year, yes be a small margin with two better bench players. However our season was most affected by the random event of Garnett's serious injury. Nothing that the Celtics can do about that.

that's actually not true. I remember reading one article where KG was talking about lighting a fire under O'Bryant about halfway into the season and he said  "my knees are killing me, but I'm out there working hard every practice..." (I'm paraphrasing...)

Whether KG was playing more or less minutes than the year before is irrelevant IMO. And it's not only about minutes. It's also about burden.

We need bench players that will lessen the overall burden on the starters.
You really think just missing Posey from last year's team was raising a huge burden on KG? Because for most of the season we had the same roster we did last year except for Posey.

Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #100 on: June 23, 2009, 12:02:30 PM »

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And I stand by the results.

Blaming the early exit entirely on Garnett's injury is a strawman.

A healthy Garnett is going to be handicapped by a worn-down Pierce and Allen, regardless of his status.

The injury was a factor, but people using it to gloss over management's total failure to produce any bench depth are just covering up for Ainge. Again.

JMO.

Yep.  I think that there's absolutely no guarantee that we would have gotten by Cleveland.  Orlando was a worse matchup for them.  To take the position "we would have won except for injuries" is the exact wrong viewpoint, in my opinion, because it simply leads to a repeat of last off-season's flawed plan.

One more time:  we need upgrades.  Especially, of course, because it looks like Cleveland will once again be improving.
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Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #101 on: June 23, 2009, 12:05:17 PM »

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I stand by that proclamation and this one.  The backup SF/C positions didn't preclude Boston from repeating.  KGs knee did.

Did anyone watch the playoffs and not feel that a healthy Garnett and we are in the finals?  Maybe it was just me.


you mean his knees that he has said bother him on an ongoing basis and have been put through 14 NBA seasons?



He barely played over 30 min last year.  If he can't hold up under that type of mileage we are screwed anyway.  Like this past season.
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Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #102 on: June 23, 2009, 12:06:30 PM »

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I stand by that proclamation and this one.  The backup SF/C positions didn't preclude Boston from repeating.  KGs knee did.

Did anyone watch the playoffs and not feel that a healthy Garnett and we are in the finals?  Maybe it was just me.


you mean his knees that he has said bother him on an ongoing basis and have been put through 14 NBA seasons?



He barely played over 30 min last year.  If he can't hold up under that type of mileage we are screwed anyway.  Like this past season.

so the better plan is to do nothing to address depth and cross our fingers.

an interesting view.
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Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #103 on: June 23, 2009, 12:07:08 PM »

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Well Orlando beat Cleveland and I think we could have beaten Orlando with a healthy Garnett.  It was 7 games without him.  

Not sure about this 'straw man'.

Just 1 c fans opinion.

we get that, you think KG going down cost us a championship, so do alot of us.

address the other questions being posed to you about who will backup certain spots and why the lack of depth on this team isn't a concern if injuries occur again.

sorry I edited my post while you were responding.  Nothing earth shattering though.  Just hoping for no major trades and a few additions if need be.
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Re: Ainge to address the media at 9:30 AM
« Reply #104 on: June 23, 2009, 12:08:20 PM »

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People keep blaming that the C's were worn down on the lack of a bench. I think Garnett going out for is what did it. Garnett wasn't playing any more than he did last year, and a deeper bench in all likelyhood does not affect his bone spur/tendon issue.

Could the C's put a better team out there last year, yes be a small margin with two better bench players. However our season was most affected by the random event of Garnett's serious injury. Nothing that the Celtics can do about that.

that's actually not true. I remember reading one article where KG was talking about lighting a fire under O'Bryant about halfway into the season and he said  "my knees are killing me, but I'm out there working hard every practice..." (I'm paraphrasing...)

Whether KG was playing more or less minutes than the year before is irrelevant IMO. And it's not only about minutes. It's also about burden.

We need bench players that will lessen the overall burden on the starters.
You really think just missing Posey from last year's team was raising a huge burden on KG? Because for most of the season we had the same roster we did last year except for Posey.

and PJ. we replaced PJ with POB who couldn't get off the bench. and then Mikki who also could not get off the bench.

and yes, Posey was an extremely reliable player off the bench last season. something severely lacking on this years bench.