Ray To Phoenix Idea

[Big_Matt34]

I never do trade ideas and don't really want to trade Ray but id do this deal if it was possible.

Ray Allen/Bill Walker/future first to the Suns for Jason Richardson/14th pick/Goran Dragic/Jared Dudley.

Celts do it because they get a player who is just as talented as Ray is in J-Rich, they get a backup Sf in Dudley, and the 14th pick.With the 14th pick the Celts take someone like Terrence Williams. The Celts go into next year with a lineup of Rondo/J-Rich/PP/KG/Perk with a bench of House/T-Will/Dudley/FA signing or 2.

Suns do it because they dump Richardson and Dragic's contracts. By getting Ray they get a player who ontop of being an expiring is a great fit for them if they try to make one last run this year, giving up the pick may be a bit much but they are dumping a good amount of salary so i'd bet they'd give the pick up, i mean this is the same team that traded 2 firsts just so the THunder would take Kurt Thomas' contract of their hands.. THey also get Bill Walker who is a better fit than Dudley for the Suns style of play.

[PosImpos]

First of all, Jason Richardson = Ray Allen?  I'm not so sure.

Also, I think Phoenix would probably want to keep Dragic as their main point guard prospect.  I'm not sure what we'd need with Dragic either, since we already have Pruitt as an inexperienced PG backup.

The 14th pick is nice.  I'm not sure whether I like Dudley for Walker or not...I think Walker could very well turn out to be better than Dudley but Dudley actually produces now (though he's not phenomenal).  I guess Dudley probably would fit our type of gameplay more so that part of your trade is probably pretty much a wash.

Overall I'd say it's not terrible but not really good enough to justify breaking up the Big 3 and changing our starting 5.  I think any trade that involves a member of our starting lineup really has to be a blockbuster that would definitely make our team better.  The fact that there probably isn't such a trade that could possible happen is why I really doubt Ray is going to get traded.

[winsomme]

sort of intriguing. don't agree that JRich is as good as Ray. Especially with how well Ray fits in our system.  Also how clutch he is.

I do like Jrich and the #14 pick could make it worth looking at, though...

[winsomme]

this would definitely put PHO squarely in the middle of the 2010 free-for-all. The only contract on their books at the moment would be Barbosa for 7 mil...

the could be major players and basically start over.

For the Cs, this would take us out of the 2010 FA....which could be good or bad depending on how well JRich worked out.

like OP pointed out, we'd have a backup PG and possibly something good with the #14 pick

[Big_Matt34]

First of all, Jason Richardson = Ray Allen?  I'm not so sure.

Also, I think Phoenix would probably want to keep Dragic as their main point guard prospect.  I'm not sure what we'd need with Dragic either, since we already have Pruitt as an inexperienced PG backup.

The 14th pick is nice.  I'm not sure whether I like Dudley for Walker or not...I think Walker could very well turn out to be better than Dudley but Dudley actually produces now (though he's not phenomenal).  I guess Dudley probably would fit our type of gameplay more so that part of your trade is probably pretty much a wash.

Overall I'd say it's not terrible but not really good enough to justify breaking up the Big 3 and changing our starting 5.  I think any trade that involves a member of our starting lineup really has to be a blockbuster that would definitely make our team better.  The fact that there probably isn't such a trade that could possible happen is why I really doubt Ray is going to get traded.

Well i didnt say J-Rich is as good as Ray, but that he is as talented, he can shoot (40% from 3 last year), can penetrate, ok passer and pretty good rebounder for a sg, he also can paly Sf so it would help rest Pierce some. He doesnt turn the ball over, (1.30 or so in 33 mpg last year) and was very efficient last year shooting 48% from the field. I just think he makes the offense tougher to defend, when Ray isnt hitting 3's his whole game really suffers as you saw in the playoffs.

Dragic was REALLY bad last year and id bet the Suns want to get out of the deal they gave him, he shot 39% last year and had 2 assists a game with 1.3 turnovers in 13 minutes. He needs to be part of the trade to make salaries match, just a throw-in.

I agree the trade doesnt make the Celts that much better but i think its safe to say Ray isnt going to get any better and if we can get a player for him that makes us more dangerous in the playoffs than im all for it. The 14th pick is pretty [dang] valuable and Dudley could step in and be a good backup Sf for us next year so it gives us a comparable player to Ray PLUS 2 players that could be in the rotation next year.

[Big_Matt34]

this would definitely put PHO squarely in the middle of the 2010 free-for-all. The only contract on their books at the moment would be Barbosa for 7 mil...

the could be major players and basically start over.

For the Cs, this would take us out of the 2010 FA....which could be good or bad depending on how well JRich worked out.

like OP pointed out, we'd have a backup PG and possibly something good with the #14 pick

The Celts being in on the 2010 free agent class is really a pipedream anyways, we'd have to get PP to take a HUGE paycut and have Rondo to play for his qualifying offer, highly unlikely.

For the Suns it definately helps them for the 2010 FA class and i mean, who wouldnt wanna play in Phoenix so i could easily see a big FA go there.

[PosImpos]

First of all, Jason Richardson = Ray Allen?  I'm not so sure.

Also, I think Phoenix would probably want to keep Dragic as their main point guard prospect.  I'm not sure what we'd need with Dragic either, since we already have Pruitt as an inexperienced PG backup.

The 14th pick is nice.  I'm not sure whether I like Dudley for Walker or not...I think Walker could very well turn out to be better than Dudley but Dudley actually produces now (though he's not phenomenal).  I guess Dudley probably would fit our type of gameplay more so that part of your trade is probably pretty much a wash.

Overall I'd say it's not terrible but not really good enough to justify breaking up the Big 3 and changing our starting 5.  I think any trade that involves a member of our starting lineup really has to be a blockbuster that would definitely make our team better.  The fact that there probably isn't such a trade that could possible happen is why I really doubt Ray is going to get traded.

Well i didnt say J-Rich is as good as Ray, but that he is as talented, he can shoot (40% from 3 last year), can penetrate, ok passer and pretty good rebounder for a sg, he also can paly Sf so it would help rest Pierce some. He doesnt turn the ball over, (1.30 or so in 33 mpg last year) and was very efficient last year shooting 48% from the field. I just think he makes the offense tougher to defend, when Ray isnt hitting 3's his whole game really suffers as you saw in the playoffs.

Dragic was REALLY bad last year and id bet the Suns want to get out of the deal they gave him, he shot 39% last year and had 2 assists a game with 1.3 turnovers in 13 minutes.

I agree the trade doesnt make the Celts that much better but i think its safe to say Ray isnt going to get any better and if we can get a player for him that makes us more dangerous in the playoffs than im all for it. The 14th pick is pretty [dang] valuable and Dudley could step in and be a good backup Sf for us next year so it gives us a comparable player to Ray PLUS 2 players that could be in the rotation next year.

You might be right.  I think a lot would depend on how well J.Rich worked out for us.  Our team might be better with that trade, but I don't think it would make a big enough difference to justify the risk, so it's not going to happen.

[Big_Matt34]

First of all, Jason Richardson = Ray Allen?  I'm not so sure.

Also, I think Phoenix would probably want to keep Dragic as their main point guard prospect.  I'm not sure what we'd need with Dragic either, since we already have Pruitt as an inexperienced PG backup.

The 14th pick is nice.  I'm not sure whether I like Dudley for Walker or not...I think Walker could very well turn out to be better than Dudley but Dudley actually produces now (though he's not phenomenal).  I guess Dudley probably would fit our type of gameplay more so that part of your trade is probably pretty much a wash.

Overall I'd say it's not terrible but not really good enough to justify breaking up the Big 3 and changing our starting 5.  I think any trade that involves a member of our starting lineup really has to be a blockbuster that would definitely make our team better.  The fact that there probably isn't such a trade that could possible happen is why I really doubt Ray is going to get traded.

Well i didnt say J-Rich is as good as Ray, but that he is as talented, he can shoot (40% from 3 last year), can penetrate, ok passer and pretty good rebounder for a sg, he also can paly Sf so it would help rest Pierce some. He doesnt turn the ball over, (1.30 or so in 33 mpg last year) and was very efficient last year shooting 48% from the field. I just think he makes the offense tougher to defend, when Ray isnt hitting 3's his whole game really suffers as you saw in the playoffs.

Dragic was REALLY bad last year and id bet the Suns want to get out of the deal they gave him, he shot 39% last year and had 2 assists a game with 1.3 turnovers in 13 minutes.

I agree the trade doesnt make the Celts that much better but i think its safe to say Ray isnt going to get any better and if we can get a player for him that makes us more dangerous in the playoffs than im all for it. The 14th pick is pretty [dang] valuable and Dudley could step in and be a good backup Sf for us next year so it gives us a comparable player to Ray PLUS 2 players that could be in the rotation next year.

You might be right.  I think a lot would depend on how well J.Rich worked out for us.  Our team might be better with that trade, but I don't think it would make a big enough difference to justify the risk, so it's not going to happen.

Oh i dont think it will happen, but its one of the few realistic packages we could get for Ray that id actually do. I do think there is a real possibility of Ray being dealt, but i have no clue for what.

[PosImpos]

First of all, Jason Richardson = Ray Allen?  I'm not so sure.

Also, I think Phoenix would probably want to keep Dragic as their main point guard prospect.  I'm not sure what we'd need with Dragic either, since we already have Pruitt as an inexperienced PG backup.

The 14th pick is nice.  I'm not sure whether I like Dudley for Walker or not...I think Walker could very well turn out to be better than Dudley but Dudley actually produces now (though he's not phenomenal).  I guess Dudley probably would fit our type of gameplay more so that part of your trade is probably pretty much a wash.

Overall I'd say it's not terrible but not really good enough to justify breaking up the Big 3 and changing our starting 5.  I think any trade that involves a member of our starting lineup really has to be a blockbuster that would definitely make our team better.  The fact that there probably isn't such a trade that could possible happen is why I really doubt Ray is going to get traded.

Well i didnt say J-Rich is as good as Ray, but that he is as talented, he can shoot (40% from 3 last year), can penetrate, ok passer and pretty good rebounder for a sg, he also can paly Sf so it would help rest Pierce some. He doesnt turn the ball over, (1.30 or so in 33 mpg last year) and was very efficient last year shooting 48% from the field. I just think he makes the offense tougher to defend, when Ray isnt hitting 3's his whole game really suffers as you saw in the playoffs.

Dragic was REALLY bad last year and id bet the Suns want to get out of the deal they gave him, he shot 39% last year and had 2 assists a game with 1.3 turnovers in 13 minutes.

I agree the trade doesnt make the Celts that much better but i think its safe to say Ray isnt going to get any better and if we can get a player for him that makes us more dangerous in the playoffs than im all for it. The 14th pick is pretty [dang] valuable and Dudley could step in and be a good backup Sf for us next year so it gives us a comparable player to Ray PLUS 2 players that could be in the rotation next year.

You might be right.  I think a lot would depend on how well J.Rich worked out for us.  Our team might be better with that trade, but I don't think it would make a big enough difference to justify the risk, so it's not going to happen.

Oh i dont think it will happen, but its one of the few realistic packages we could get for Ray that id actually do. I do think there is a real possibility of Ray being dealt, but i have no clue for what.

Yeah, I'm really unsure at this point.  I feel like we've heard so many rumors that it would be surprising if Danny didn't make any significant moves on draft night, but on the other hand, I think if he did make one it would end up being something nobody has really heard of, because nothing we've heard of or really even thought of has seemed good enough to justify trading Ray.

[Big_Matt34]

First of all, Jason Richardson = Ray Allen?  I'm not so sure.

Also, I think Phoenix would probably want to keep Dragic as their main point guard prospect.  I'm not sure what we'd need with Dragic either, since we already have Pruitt as an inexperienced PG backup.

The 14th pick is nice.  I'm not sure whether I like Dudley for Walker or not...I think Walker could very well turn out to be better than Dudley but Dudley actually produces now (though he's not phenomenal).  I guess Dudley probably would fit our type of gameplay more so that part of your trade is probably pretty much a wash.

Overall I'd say it's not terrible but not really good enough to justify breaking up the Big 3 and changing our starting 5.  I think any trade that involves a member of our starting lineup really has to be a blockbuster that would definitely make our team better.  The fact that there probably isn't such a trade that could possible happen is why I really doubt Ray is going to get traded.

Well i didnt say J-Rich is as good as Ray, but that he is as talented, he can shoot (40% from 3 last year), can penetrate, ok passer and pretty good rebounder for a sg, he also can paly Sf so it would help rest Pierce some. He doesnt turn the ball over, (1.30 or so in 33 mpg last year) and was very efficient last year shooting 48% from the field. I just think he makes the offense tougher to defend, when Ray isnt hitting 3's his whole game really suffers as you saw in the playoffs.

Dragic was REALLY bad last year and id bet the Suns want to get out of the deal they gave him, he shot 39% last year and had 2 assists a game with 1.3 turnovers in 13 minutes.

I agree the trade doesnt make the Celts that much better but i think its safe to say Ray isnt going to get any better and if we can get a player for him that makes us more dangerous in the playoffs than im all for it. The 14th pick is pretty [dang] valuable and Dudley could step in and be a good backup Sf for us next year so it gives us a comparable player to Ray PLUS 2 players that could be in the rotation next year.

You might be right.  I think a lot would depend on how well J.Rich worked out for us.  Our team might be better with that trade, but I don't think it would make a big enough difference to justify the risk, so it's not going to happen.

Oh i dont think it will happen, but its one of the few realistic packages we could get for Ray that id actually do. I do think there is a real possibility of Ray being dealt, but i have no clue for what.

Yeah, I'm really unsure at this point.  I feel like we've heard so many rumors that it would be surprising if Danny didn't make any significant moves on draft night, but on the other hand, I think if he did make one it would end up being something nobody has really heard of, because nothing we've heard of or really even thought of has seemed good enough to justify trading Ray.

Thats how it usually works, we all expect one thing and the actual trade will come out of left field. Kind of like when we traded for Ray, unless im forgetting i dont think we even heard about that idea until early draft day. I think Danny has something up his sleeve, just dont know if its him trading up into the first, a small trade with SCals and TA's expiring, or a blockbuster which is obviously the least likely.

[Cman]

I think Danny has something up his sleeve, just dont know if its him trading up into the first, a small trade with SCals and TA's expiring, or a blockbuster which is obviously the least likely.

We've all gotten used to DA making trades and being active with changes to the team.  it would be interesting (and, I have to admit, a slight letdown) if he did nothing on draft night.... just made the pick at #58 and that's it.  Then signed a couple FAs.

[PosImpos]

I think Danny has something up his sleeve, just dont know if its him trading up into the first, a small trade with SCals and TA's expiring, or a blockbuster which is obviously the least likely.

We've all gotten used to DA making trades and being active with changes to the team.  it would be interesting (and, I have to admit, a slight letdown) if he did nothing on draft night.... just made the pick at #58 and that's it.  Then signed a couple FAs.

I think we'll move up in the draft somehow, but not any higher than late 1st / early 2nd, and we won't trade any major players.

[timepiece33]

At this point, I'd rather keep Ray Allen than take on Jason Richardson's contract.

I'm fine trading Allen if it lengthens our time frame being legitimate contenders even if it impacts our salary cap flexibility.

I'd rather go after Maggette, where GS is trying to get out of his contract.   We could probably get him for a package of expiring contracts (Allen/Scalabrine) along with Giddens AND Pruitt.

[VPofCommonSense]

the only teams I'm dealing with are golden state, sacto, washington and portland.  The firs three I'd dealing with to get a young piece and their pick, portland I would require two of thier good young guys.  There's no reason to trade ray for a step down in richardson and a 14th pick in a weak draft.

The better question is why havent pheonix and chicago worked out a deal.  They could EASILY trade Deng and Ty Thomas (and pieces)for Amare and JRich (and pieces).  I know they're going after bosh but this deal makes a whole helluva lot of sense for both teams.  But this is celtics blog so I'm just wasting your time... sorry.

[jdub1660]

I cant see that trade working numerically

I like JRich's spot up 3 and dunking ability, but i'd rather take Grant Hill instead of Dudley, and let them keep Dragic. I'm done with the pruitt trials, and ready for Marbury to have a full season as backup PG.

If we traded Ray, get JRich and Grant Hill plus the 14th pick and see what happens with it, Plus trade Tony Allen ANYWHERE