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If Hugo is playing another year of summer league, the organization still views him as a project player. I think the expectations that fans have for him this coming season is pie in the sky.

Jaylen played in summer league after his rookie season and then was an opening night starter.

Hugo averaged less than 4ppg last year and he is playing summer league again. If you think he is going to be a starter over White, George, or Pritchard, I will have what you are having.

Hugo was not even in the playoff rotation. He had several DNPs during the season. He is still a project at this point.

That all may be true.  But I remember watching Jaylen in that Summer League after his rookie season.

He basically drove to the rim every... single... time... he... touched... the... ball.

I was getting frustrated watching all the turnovers and bad basketball.  But then I reminded myself that Summer League does not matter at all.  Ainge/Stevens basically told him:

"Work on attacking the rim.  That will be your calling card early in your career while you are still working on your outside shot.  We don't care if you turn the ball over, you're not coming out of the game.  In fact, if you DON'T drive the ball to the rim enough, THAT'S when we'll pull you.  Drive, drive, drive."

With no fear about failing, Jaylen really improved his confidence and ability to get to the rim.  It was brilliant coaching during the summer.

So if Hugo is playing, look for what he does often.  Is it close-out drives after a pump-fake?  Is it his three-point shot?  Is it him grabbing a rebound and starting the fast break?

I'll be really curious what the focus will be.

[LilRip]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-trade-return-76ers-market-impact/

Interesting read.  If true it sheds light on why the C's got so little in return.

My take away from this is the suggestion that Brown (or more likely his agent) was telling teams not to trade for him.  Sounds like Stevens was being open and Brown was taking advantage of that.  This could explain a few things.

First, Brown knew he was being offered to MIL.  If this is true, he had his agent tell MIL that he would not sign there or otherwise did not want to be traded their.  This would certainly explain why MIL was not so interested in trading for Brown.

How many other teams did Stevens potentially tip Brown off to?  Maybe Stevens didn't disclose any specific teams, but it was easy enough for Brown to figure out who BOS could be talking to.  If Brown was going around putting the kibosh deals, that would certainly explain why his market was diminishing.

Hard to know if this is true but it seems to make sense.  So if it is true, then it is really disappointing.

While probably not the whole truth, I would be surprised if there was not some semblance of truth in the report. And this is why JBs immediate reaction to being traded, which was to claim ?I did not ask for a trade?, just never sat right with me.

While technically true, I do not think he was as transparent as he would like to have us believe. I do not think he was with Stevens and team, crunching numbers and joining in the calls, but I do not think he was an oblivious ~victim in this whole thing the way maybe guys like IT4 were.

[Roy H.]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-trade-return-76ers-market-impact/

Interesting read.  If true it sheds light on why the C's got so little in return.

My take away from this is the suggestion that Brown (or more likely his agent) was telling teams not to trade for him.  Sounds like Stevens was being open and Brown was taking advantage of that.  This could explain a few things.

First, Brown knew he was being offered to MIL.  If this is true, he had his agent tell MIL that he would not sign there or otherwise did not want to be traded their.  This would certainly explain why MIL was not so interested in trading for Brown.

How many other teams did Stevens potentially tip Brown off to?  Maybe Stevens didn't disclose any specific teams, but it was easy enough for Brown to figure out who BOS could be talking to.  If Brown was going around putting the kibosh deals, that would certainly explain why his market was diminishing.

Hard to know if this is true but it seems to make sense.  So if it is true, then it is really disappointing.

Reports were that JB was fine going to Milwaukee.

[Vermont Green]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-trade-return-76ers-market-impact/

Interesting read.  If true it sheds light on why the C's got so little in return.

My take away from this is the suggestion that Brown (or more likely his agent) was telling teams not to trade for him.  Sounds like Stevens was being open and Brown was taking advantage of that.  This could explain a few things.

First, Brown knew he was being offered to MIL.  If this is true, he had his agent tell MIL that he would not sign there or otherwise did not want to be traded their.  This would certainly explain why MIL was not so interested in trading for Brown.

How many other teams did Stevens potentially tip Brown off to?  Maybe Stevens didn't disclose any specific teams, but it was easy enough for Brown to figure out who BOS could be talking to.  If Brown was going around putting the kibosh deals, that would certainly explain why his market was diminishing.

Hard to know if this is true but it seems to make sense.  So if it is true, then it is really disappointing.

Reports were that JB was fine going to Milwaukee.

I guess there were a lot of reports, I was referring to this one:

Reports from The Athletic indicated that the Milwaukee Bucks were hesitant to accept a trade centered around Jaylen Brown because they were unconvinced he would sign a long-term extension to remain in Milwaukee

Putting this together with the more recent story could lead one to believe that MIL was unconvinced because Brown's agent told them he wouldn't.

[Roy H.]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-trade-return-76ers-market-impact/

Interesting read.  If true it sheds light on why the C's got so little in return.

My take away from this is the suggestion that Brown (or more likely his agent) was telling teams not to trade for him.  Sounds like Stevens was being open and Brown was taking advantage of that.  This could explain a few things.

First, Brown knew he was being offered to MIL.  If this is true, he had his agent tell MIL that he would not sign there or otherwise did not want to be traded their.  This would certainly explain why MIL was not so interested in trading for Brown.

How many other teams did Stevens potentially tip Brown off to?  Maybe Stevens didn't disclose any specific teams, but it was easy enough for Brown to figure out who BOS could be talking to.  If Brown was going around putting the kibosh deals, that would certainly explain why his market was diminishing.

Hard to know if this is true but it seems to make sense.  So if it is true, then it is really disappointing.

Reports were that JB was fine going to Milwaukee.

I guess there were a lot of reports, I was referring to this one:

Reports from The Athletic indicated that the Milwaukee Bucks were hesitant to accept a trade centered around Jaylen Brown because they were unconvinced he would sign a long-term extension to remain in Milwaukee

Putting this together with the more recent story could lead one to believe that MIL was unconvinced because Brown's agent told them he wouldn't.

There's no actual evidence of that, though.  And, I'd be shocked if JB actually refused to sign that extension, even if he were traded to the Kings.  It's just a ridiculous amount of money.

[jambr380]

Maybe Brad was being too open with Jaylen about trading him. Then Jaylen kept refusing certain destinations, and Brad just went silent and went with the deal he thought was best (after missing out on potentially better deals because those teams had moved on).

That's probably what Jaylen meant by communication being good until it suddenly went 'left'. Brad likely didn't want to present Jaylen with any additional destinations in the fear that he would keep saying no.

[Goldstar88]

Maybe Brad was being too open with Jaylen about trading him. Then Jaylen kept refusing certain destinations, and Brad just went silent and went with the deal he thought was best (after missing out on potentially better deals because those teams had moved on).

That's probably what Jaylen meant by communication being good until it suddenly went 'left'. Brad likely didn't want to present Jaylen with any additional destinations in the fear that he would keep saying no.

I think you are spot on. That is the same conclusion I came to. I don?t think JB wanted to leave Boston, but he did not seem at all surprised that he was traded. Maybe a little surprised that it was Philly, but he knew a trade was coming. I bet Brad was keeping him in the loop at first, but JB didn?t want to join the teams interested which limited Stevens options. Eventually he had to just pull the trigger without JB being aware of the other team to get a deal done.

[LilRip]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-trade-return-76ers-market-impact/

Interesting read.  If true it sheds light on why the C's got so little in return.

My take away from this is the suggestion that Brown (or more likely his agent) was telling teams not to trade for him.  Sounds like Stevens was being open and Brown was taking advantage of that.  This could explain a few things.

First, Brown knew he was being offered to MIL.  If this is true, he had his agent tell MIL that he would not sign there or otherwise did not want to be traded their.  This would certainly explain why MIL was not so interested in trading for Brown.

How many other teams did Stevens potentially tip Brown off to?  Maybe Stevens didn't disclose any specific teams, but it was easy enough for Brown to figure out who BOS could be talking to.  If Brown was going around putting the kibosh deals, that would certainly explain why his market was diminishing.

Hard to know if this is true but it seems to make sense.  So if it is true, then it is really disappointing.

Reports were that JB was fine going to Milwaukee.

I guess there were a lot of reports, I was referring to this one:

Reports from The Athletic indicated that the Milwaukee Bucks were hesitant to accept a trade centered around Jaylen Brown because they were unconvinced he would sign a long-term extension to remain in Milwaukee

Putting this together with the more recent story could lead one to believe that MIL was unconvinced because Brown's agent told them he wouldn't.

There's no actual evidence of that, though.  And, I'd be shocked if JB actually refused to sign that extension, even if he were traded to the Kings.  It's just a ridiculous amount of money.

I could have sworn I read somewhere that a big reason the Bucks owner balked at getting JB was because the same thing happened to him in his other franchise. So he was worried JB would not sign an extension and the Bucks would be left scrambling again to trade Brown off.

[SparzWizard]

Maybe Brad was being too open with Jaylen about trading him. Then Jaylen kept refusing certain destinations, and Brad just went silent and went with the deal he thought was best (after missing out on potentially better deals because those teams had moved on).

That's probably what Jaylen meant by communication being good until it suddenly went 'left'. Brad likely didn't want to present Jaylen with any additional destinations in the fear that he would keep saying no.

I think you are spot on. That is the same conclusion I came to. I don?t think JB wanted to leave Boston, but he did not seem at all surprised that he was traded. Maybe a little surprised that it was Philly, but he knew a trade was coming. I bet Brad was keeping him in the loop at first, but JB didn?t want to join the teams interested which limited Stevens options. Eventually he had to just pull the trigger without JB being aware of the other team to get a deal done.

Imagine an invisible NTC given to JB without the actual NTC. Allowing JB to veto them lol.

Other GMs would've just silently traded away players without letting em know.

[Kernewek]

Maybe Brad was being too open with Jaylen about trading him. Then Jaylen kept refusing certain destinations, and Brad just went silent and went with the deal he thought was best (after missing out on potentially better deals because those teams had moved on).

That's probably what Jaylen meant by communication being good until it suddenly went 'left'. Brad likely didn't want to present Jaylen with any additional destinations in the fear that he would keep saying no.

I think you are spot on. That is the same conclusion I came to. I don?t think JB wanted to leave Boston, but he did not seem at all surprised that he was traded. Maybe a little surprised that it was Philly, but he knew a trade was coming. I bet Brad was keeping him in the loop at first, but JB didn?t want to join the teams interested which limited Stevens options. Eventually he had to just pull the trigger without JB being aware of the other team to get a deal done.

This is about what Zach Lowe alluded to earlier today - though I can't find the link immediately.

[Goldstar88]

The Boston Celtics believed Jaylen Brown would?ve been untradeable after his next contract extension, per @WindhorstESPN :In the case of Jaylen Brown, the Celtics believed that Jaylen Brown was going to be seeking a contract extension this summer. And if they gave him that extension, not only did they think they weren?t getting $57M value, but then he?d become untradeable.
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[Celtics2021]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-trade-return-76ers-market-impact/

Interesting read.  If true it sheds light on why the C's got so little in return.

My take away from this is the suggestion that Brown (or more likely his agent) was telling teams not to trade for him.  Sounds like Stevens was being open and Brown was taking advantage of that.  This could explain a few things.

First, Brown knew he was being offered to MIL.  If this is true, he had his agent tell MIL that he would not sign there or otherwise did not want to be traded their.  This would certainly explain why MIL was not so interested in trading for Brown.

How many other teams did Stevens potentially tip Brown off to?  Maybe Stevens didn't disclose any specific teams, but it was easy enough for Brown to figure out who BOS could be talking to.  If Brown was going around putting the kibosh deals, that would certainly explain why his market was diminishing.

Hard to know if this is true but it seems to make sense.  So if it is true, then it is really disappointing.

Reports were that JB was fine going to Milwaukee.

I guess there were a lot of reports, I was referring to this one:

Reports from The Athletic indicated that the Milwaukee Bucks were hesitant to accept a trade centered around Jaylen Brown because they were unconvinced he would sign a long-term extension to remain in Milwaukee

Putting this together with the more recent story could lead one to believe that MIL was unconvinced because Brown's agent told them he wouldn't.

There's no actual evidence of that, though.  And, I'd be shocked if JB actually refused to sign that extension, even if he were traded to the Kings.  It's just a ridiculous amount of money.

I could have sworn I read somewhere that a big reason the Bucks owner balked at getting JB was because the same thing happened to him in his other franchise. So he was worried JB would not sign an extension and the Bucks would be left scrambling again to trade Brown off.

You did.  It was definitely reported in multiple locations in the days after the Giannis trade.  Here is one:

Sources say Bucks owner Jimmy Haslam was a driving force in taking the Heat deal for Giannis over Boston's offer?  Haslam didn't want to risk Jaylen Brown wanting out of Milwaukee in a year after dealing with Giannis and Myles Garrett trade demands. Haslam wanted certainty, and the Miami deal provided more of that with more total assets in return to Milwaukee.

[Vermont Green]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-trade-return-76ers-market-impact/

Interesting read.  If true it sheds light on why the C's got so little in return.

My take away from this is the suggestion that Brown (or more likely his agent) was telling teams not to trade for him.  Sounds like Stevens was being open and Brown was taking advantage of that.  This could explain a few things.

First, Brown knew he was being offered to MIL.  If this is true, he had his agent tell MIL that he would not sign there or otherwise did not want to be traded their.  This would certainly explain why MIL was not so interested in trading for Brown.

How many other teams did Stevens potentially tip Brown off to?  Maybe Stevens didn't disclose any specific teams, but it was easy enough for Brown to figure out who BOS could be talking to.  If Brown was going around putting the kibosh deals, that would certainly explain why his market was diminishing.

Hard to know if this is true but it seems to make sense.  So if it is true, then it is really disappointing.

Reports were that JB was fine going to Milwaukee.

I guess there were a lot of reports, I was referring to this one:

Reports from The Athletic indicated that the Milwaukee Bucks were hesitant to accept a trade centered around Jaylen Brown because they were unconvinced he would sign a long-term extension to remain in Milwaukee

Putting this together with the more recent story could lead one to believe that MIL was unconvinced because Brown's agent told them he wouldn't.

There's no actual evidence of that, though.  And, I'd be shocked if JB actually refused to sign that extension, even if he were traded to the Kings.  It's just a ridiculous amount of money.

You refuted my comment about Brown potentially having put the kibosh on the trade to MIL by telling MIL he would not extend by saying there were "reports" he was happy to go to MIL.  I referenced the "report" I based my comment on, then you said that it isn't evidence.  Then you are implying that I am wrong because you would be shocked if Brown refused that money.

None of us know any of this for sure, but I stand by my original comment that there were reports that MIL backed off of trading for Brown due to them believing he would not extend with them.  There were also reports the Brown was using back channels to tell teams he wouldn't extend with them.  Whether these reports are accurate or not, I can't say but 1 + 1 does equal Brown telling MIL he wouldn't extend with them so MIL backed off.