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Jeff Goodman's 2 cents
« on: June 21, 2009, 05:29:43 PM »

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Cancel those moving trucks -- Rondo isn't leaving Boston

worth reading.....from weei.com


Rajon Rondo isn’t going anywhere.

Don’t pay attention to the trade rumors that have Rondo headed to Memphis for the No. 2 overall pick or leaving town in a deal that would bring aging point guard Steve Nash to Boston, either.

It’s not going to happen.

The Celtics still have a window to win another championship -- and the chances will dramatically decrease with a new point guard in the mix.

It’s not that Rondo is untradeable, because for the right price, Celtics boss Danny Ainge would pull the trigger.

But Ainge knows better than anyone that this is hardly the draft to mortgage a key piece -- and the C’s aren’t going to acquire Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Derrick Rose via trade.

The draft is weak.

No, it’s downright abysmal.

No one -- except for future Los Angeles Clipper Blake Griffin -- is going to be an instant franchise-changer.

This is about as listless a draft as we’ve seen in the past decade or so.


http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/celtics/jeff-goodman/2009/06/21/cancel-those-moving-trucks-rondo-isnt-leaving-boston

much more in his post
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sometimes you have to bite your lip, exhale and move on.  So, I have.

Re: Jeff Goodman's 2 cents
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 08:51:44 AM »

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Is the draft really as bad as they say? Scouts have been wrong before.

Re: Jeff Goodman's 2 cents
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 09:00:16 AM »

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While I dont think that this is a strong draft I disagree that Griffen is the only franchise changer in the draft.  I think Thabeet is without a doubt a franchise changer.  He's a 7 footer with excellent defensive skills and I believe his post game is already better than Dwight Howard's.  He can make a difference
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Re: Jeff Goodman's 2 cents
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2009, 09:29:49 AM »

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While I dont think that this is a strong draft I disagree that Griffen is the only franchise changer in the draft.  I think Thabeet is without a doubt a franchise changer.  He's a 7 footer with excellent defensive skills and I believe his post game is already better than Dwight Howard's.  He can make a difference

Regardless, I think the general point is well taken: this isn't the draft to jeopardize championship #18 for. 

Re: Jeff Goodman's 2 cents
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2009, 09:36:03 AM »

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Yeah, trading Rondo in this draft would be nothing short of taking a step back to save money and to put the C's in position for 2010.

Re: Jeff Goodman's 2 cents
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2009, 09:42:31 AM »

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But dont you think that anything Danny does to make a move is because he refuses to have the Celtics fall back into medicocrity?  we have seen what it takes to win in this league, we saw it last year.  If danny thinks that by not making a move you have a better chance to win this year but will then struggle to compete the following years and will end up with the 4-6 seed in the playoffs, I think he would definitly make a move.  Especially if it means freeing the celts up for a max contract player in 2010. 
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Re: Jeff Goodman's 2 cents
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2009, 09:55:56 AM »

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But dont you think that anything Danny does to make a move is because he refuses to have the Celtics fall back into medicocrity?  we have seen what it takes to win in this league, we saw it last year.  If danny thinks that by not making a move you have a better chance to win this year but will then struggle to compete the following years and will end up with the 4-6 seed in the playoffs, I think he would definitly make a move.  Especially if it means freeing the celts up for a max contract player in 2010. 

This could be a whole thread unto itself.  The question being, is Danny smarter to keep this team's core together and go for the ring in 010 or if the opportunity presents itself for building a longer term nucleus does he tear the team apart? 

I don't think there's any players in the draft worthy of that, but who's to say that there's not players with other clubs that may be worthy of an overhaul?  Ainge lived through the Celtics keeping the nucleus together too long in the 80's (although he was the only chit that was traded) and has been critical of that.  Does he view the 09/010 season in the same light as the 88 Celtics or the 86 Celtics?
sometimes you have to bite your lip, exhale and move on.  So, I have.

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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2009, 10:04:16 AM »

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Im not sure if its an issue of leaving the nucleus together for too long, I think it is the tremendous oppurtunity that the free agent class of 2010 presents. 
CB Draft LA Lakers: Lamarcus Aldridge, Carmelo Anthony,Jrue Holiday, Wes Matthews  6.11, 7.16, 8.14, 8.15, 9.16, 11.5, 11.16

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2009, 10:06:53 AM »

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Im not sure if its an issue of leaving the nucleus together for too long, I think it is the tremendous oppurtunity that the free agent class of 2010 presents. 

Yes, but unless I am way off base, the only way to get to the class of 010 is to dismember the nucleus before hand.
sometimes you have to bite your lip, exhale and move on.  So, I have.

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2009, 10:11:04 AM »

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Nonono, your right you do have to dismantle it.  Im just saying Im not sure the reason to dissmantle would be because the nucleus was together too long.  Im saying free agency would be the driving force behind dismantling. 
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2009, 10:14:09 AM »

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No love for Rubio or Evans either. Maybe the know something we don't; but Rubio looks pretty crafty to me. Has multiple gears. The pace of the game may be different; but not clear he can't pick it up a notch either.

Re: Jeff Goodman's 2 cents
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2009, 10:16:20 AM »

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Nonono, your right you do have to dismantle it.  Im just saying Im not sure the reason to dissmantle would be because the nucleus was together too long.  Im saying free agency would be the driving force behind dismantling. 

the result though would be the same --- build for a longer term multi-year run instead of going for it all this year. 

I am betting on the Celts going for it all this year.
sometimes you have to bite your lip, exhale and move on.  So, I have.

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2009, 10:53:21 AM »

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All I have to say is this Draft is awful and I wouldn't trade any of the starting five for anything less than the #1 pick. Many people in this draft won't be any better than decent bench players.

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2009, 10:54:17 AM »

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But dont you think that anything Danny does to make a move is because he refuses to have the Celtics fall back into medicocrity?  we have seen what it takes to win in this league, we saw it last year.  If danny thinks that by not making a move you have a better chance to win this year but will then struggle to compete the following years and will end up with the 4-6 seed in the playoffs, I think he would definitly make a move.  Especially if it means freeing the celts up for a max contract player in 2010. 

This could be a whole thread unto itself.  The question being, is Danny smarter to keep this team's core together and go for the ring in 010 or if the opportunity presents itself for building a longer term nucleus does he tear the team apart? 

I don't think there's any players in the draft worthy of that, but who's to say that there's not players with other clubs that may be worthy of an overhaul?  Ainge lived through the Celtics keeping the nucleus together too long in the 80's (although he was the only chit that was traded) and has been critical of that.  Does he view the 09/010 season in the same light as the 88 Celtics or the 86 Celtics?

This may not be the thread to make this point, but I cannot keep reading about how the C's fell into mediocrity for 20 years because they did not trade any of the Big 3.  There is a bit of revisionist history at work here.  First of all, Red was preparing to continue to build with and after the Big 3, just as he did in the 60's and 70's adding key pieces as former pieces retired, a la Havlicek and Cowens.  The year the C's won it all with one of the best teams ever,1986, they drafted Bias.  Soon after, they drafted Reggie Lewis.  Nobody could have foreseen the death of not only one of these 2 pieces, but both, a tragedy on a scale never seen before.  The C's were well positioned to continue contending even after the Big 3 wound down. 

It is easy to look back now, knowing how all the years afterward turned out, and say they should have made a trade to prevent that, but how many fans really wanted one of those 3 traded at the time, in the hopes of remaining a playoff team, rather than what we now know what happened?  I know Danny is on record as saying he would have done that, but there are no guarantees that any deal involving those 3 would have kept the C's competitive for 20 years, let alone win another title.

Besides, how many other title teams of that era used that strategy?  Did the Lakers trade Magic, Worthy or Kareem to keep their window alive?  Did the Pistons trade Dumars, Thomas or Laimbeer?  Did the Bulls trade Jordan or Pippen?  How many examples are there of teams who traded away one of their stars to keep their run going? 

In addition to those 2 deaths, there were many other things that were mismanaged in the 90's that contributed to the C's futility.  I am not convinced that trading Bird, McHale or Parish would have prevented that.  Of course we all who were around and rooting, not just have read about it, did not wish for a 20 yr. drought, but in my opinion, I am happy that at least Bird and McHale played their whole careers here, leaving their legacy intact.  Both the Lakers and Pistons were able to reload effectively and get back to the Finals without any such moves, the C's could have also.  I did not want it to be so, but I do remember many commentaries at the time suggesting that Bias' death could set the franchise back for the next decade at least.  And that was before Reggie.

Keep the core together, add some pieces, and let's see what happens.  Ask Dallas, or Cleveland, or many other great teams who have failed to win it all how hard that is, and how many things have to go right in order to win the Title.  I think the current team, with some key tweaks, while guaranteeing nothing, is still the best shot the C's have.

Re: Jeff Goodman's 2 cents
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2009, 11:20:55 AM »

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To add to what KJ33 said - its not like the C's didn't have a chance to improve things between say 1988 (the end of the big 3 as an elite team) and 2009. The team did a lot of stupid stuff throughout the 1990s and early 2000s.