Richard Jefferson on the trading block ?

[guava_wrench]

I don't want Jefferson for free.

Care to elaborate?  Is it just because of his contract, or do you think he is actually a negative player?

I just hate him. No need to elaborate further than that and not going to discuss the prons and cons basketball wise of adding him... I just hate him.

Such anger

[the_Bird]

What about Redd? What's his deal? Is he available?

I would imagine he is because he has the biggest salary on that team, but he is coming off a major injury. If he didnt get hurt last year I would be all for a Ray Allen for Redd trade.

What?!? No way. maybe it's my Ohio State grudge coming through but Allen, while older, i think is underrated in terms of the professionalism and KG/PP counterbalance he brings to this team.

Redd is a great scorer, but no thanks.

I'd love to add Jefferson, but a deal for Ray... eh..

Before the injury Redd was on Ray Allen's level as far as scoring and shooting and he is younger. He would be a perfect replacement for Ray, but again I wouldn't trade Ray for him now because of the injury.

I had proposed that deal as making a ton of sense for both teams before Redd got hurt.  If he comes back and shows that he's healthy in the first half of the season, it still might make sense come February. 

[JSD]

I would consider Jefferson of he didn't have such an enormous contract.

[Chris]

I don't want Jefferson for free.

Care to elaborate?  Is it just because of his contract, or do you think he is actually a negative player?

I just hate him. No need to elaborate further than that and not going to discuss the prons and cons basketball wise of adding him... I just hate him.

Fair enough.  Personally, I was never a fan of him when he was on the Nets, mainly because I think he got way too much unwarranted hype while playing with Kidd.  I always felt like he was a decent player who could defend, and score a little, but was nowhere close to the elite wing the media often made him out to be.  I remember times when he was even considered as good or better than Pierce.

However, if the C's could get him, and another asset, for an expiring contract, I would jump at it in a second.  While he isn't a superstar, we would not lose a ton going from him Ray to him (and in fact, it might be a step up, if he returned to his old defensive form, being back on a winner), and if we could get another asset, like their pick (a deal of Jefferson, Bell, and their first round pick for Allen makes a little sense for the C's at least), it would probably be worth taking on the extra salary next year.

Of course, I don't think Milwaukee would leap at a deal like that.  I think they would prefer to get more value back, if they are not saving money this year.  However, you never know what could happen, if there is nothing else out there, and they are desperate for the relief next year.

[Jon]

Of all the trade Ray ideas (which I still disapprove of), this one might be the most palatable to me.  Jefferson can hit the open shot, score, and play defense. 

I still wouldn't do it, though.  We know we can win a title with Ray.  We don't know if we can do it with Jefferson.  He may whine, slack off, demand the ball, whatever.  If Garnett and Pierce were younger, I'd think about it.  But the last thing I want is a Richard Jefferson "experiment" to go on for a year or two, fail, and then have it be too late for KG and PP to win another title. 

[ssspence]

I don't want Jefferson for free.

Care to elaborate?  Is it just because of his contract, or do you think he is actually a negative player?

I just hate him. No need to elaborate further than that and not going to discuss the prons and cons basketball wise of adding him... I just hate him.

with you. the guys a whinner, and his ears scare me. that he makes like 12mil doesn't help.

[Finkelskyhook]

This is the first trade proposal thread in American history which doesn't include Scal.

Amazing   

I don't think you take a lifelong starter still in his prime and put him in a backup role and keep him happy.  Jefferson would see limited playing time because he's not quick enough to guard 2s and not nearly big enough to play even spot minutes at the 4.  Gadzuric would actually be more valuable to us than Jefferson.

[Chris]

This is the first trade proposal thread in American history which doesn't include Scal.

Amazing   

I don't think you take a lifelong starter still in his prime and put him in a backup role and keep him happy.  Jefferson would see limited playing time because he's not quick enough to guard 2s and not nearly big enough to play even spot minutes at the 4.  Gadzuric would actually be more valuable to us than Jefferson.

I disagree about his quickness, but perhaps I just haven't watched enough of Jefferson lately.  In his prime, Jefferson was always quick enough to guard the 2.  Yeah, there could be some tough matchups, but no tougher than some matchups were for Ray. 

Personally, I think the whole SG/SF things is overrated in todays NBA anyways.  Most guys are just "wings" now.  They are pretty much interchangable. 

[wdleehi]

I could deal with a Ray for Jefferson trade if it bought back other pieces that could strengthen the bench.


The Celtics would have strengthen there defense.  And Jefferson as the third option on offense is good.

[Cman]

I could deal with a Ray for Jefferson trade if it bought back other pieces that could strengthen the bench.


The Celtics would have strengthen there defense.  And Jefferson as the third option on offense is good.

What about the OP's suggestion: Ray for Jefferson+Gadzuric.

[wdleehi]

I could deal with a Ray for Jefferson trade if it bought back other pieces that could strengthen the bench.


The Celtics would have strengthen there defense.  And Jefferson as the third option on offense is good.

What about the OP's suggestion: Ray for Jefferson+Gadzuric.

Need more.  Bell perhaps.  The draft pick?

[Chris]

I could deal with a Ray for Jefferson trade if it bought back other pieces that could strengthen the bench.


The Celtics would have strengthen there defense.  And Jefferson as the third option on offense is good.

What about the OP's suggestion: Ray for Jefferson+Gadzuric.

Not enough value, and too much salary.  The C's need a major  sweetener to make that happen.  If you throw in their pick, then you could be talking.  But then Milwaukee would probably balking at it.

[Cman]

I could deal with a Ray for Jefferson trade if it bought back other pieces that could strengthen the bench.


The Celtics would have strengthen there defense.  And Jefferson as the third option on offense is good.

What about the OP's suggestion: Ray for Jefferson+Gadzuric.

Need more.  Bell perhaps.  The draft pick?

Ray for Jefferson+Gadzuric+#10pick....
I'd consider it, especially since Jefferson and Gadzuric contracts expire a year after Ray's.  It is a downgrade to the starting lineup, but does strengthen the bench and potentially the future depending on what Danny can do with the #10 (move down for a later pick this year and a future pick?)

[Actionjakson]

I would trade Ray for Jefferson, Gadzuric, and the #10 in a heartbeat. Jefferson put up better statistical numbers than Ray last year, and is a few years younger. He can't shoot as good, but i would take a good bench over a knockdown shooter. Gad is a solid back up center. If nothing else he can provide size and strength off the bench.

The best part of this deal is the draft pick. At 10, draftexpress.com has Johnny Flynn, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, Jeff Teague, and Eric Maynor all available. This could solve our problem at backup point.

Rondo/#10/House
Jefferson/TA/Walker
PP/Scal
KG/BBD
Perk/Gad

That is a solid team. i dont know if the Bucks get enough. Ray is an expiring contract, but they are trading one of their best players and a lottery pick. Very interesting deal tho. I like it alot for the Celts

[ManUp]

Ray is still the better player in my mind, and a much better fit.

I'd rather not deal with the bucks all they have to offer are terrible contracts.