Trade Idea: Celtics & Clippers

[acieEarl]

NO chance they trade that 1rst pick. Every discussion from ESPN says that they are not even discussing this. NOt going to happen.

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There is no way I take Baron Davis's salary without getting the #1 pick overall in return. 

Could I see a variation of a deal that includes Marcus Camby, Baron Davis, and the #1 for Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo? 

Potentially.

I'm surprised by this -- It's actually a very interesting deal for both teams. The Clips can't trade Randolph, so they essentially swap Rondo in for Griffin and build around RR, Gordon, Thornton, Randolph and Kamen. Considering they cut Baron's check, which they're dying to do, it may make sense for them. But Camby is the guy I want -- not Randolph or Kamen.

We rock Baron, House, Pierce, KG and Perk with Griffin, Powe and Camby off the front court bench (wow) and then try to s&t Baby for a swing player, while also bringing in Ross or Hill and a solid PG back-up. Walker may need to play some SG. We build for the future around Griffin, Perk and Walker.

Could be a very tough team now and in the future.

[BudweiserCeltic]

NO chance they trade that 1rst pick. Every discussion from ESPN says that they are not even discussing this. NOt going to happen.

Again, the condition is for someone to take on Baron Davis' contract, and if that happens, they're open to negotiations. And remember 2010 is next year, so there's quite a motivation to clear cap space by then.

[Moranis]

I think the Clippers might move Davis and one of their bigs (Camby, Randolph, Kaman) for Ray Allen and filler.  It would save them a ton of money and with Griffin coming on board they need to clear out one of their bigs.  The C's could then look to move Rondo in other deals (maybe for Joe Johnson or something like that) or go into the season with Rondo and Davis as their starting backcourt (a little undersized but incredible match up problems for other teams).  Adding one of the big men would be more than enough insurance for KG and Perkins and would be a nice rotation.  I'd want Kaman, but would settle for Camby or Randolph if necessary.

I am sure the Clippers would jump at the opportunity to give up Kaman over Camby, however, I am pretty sure the C's would prefer Camby.  Whichever they brought in would be the backup big man, and Camby is both more versatile, and more importantly, is an expiring contract.

The Clippers actually like Kaman a lot.  He is a consistent double double man (when healthy, which he wasn't last year) and he isn't really overpaid (pretty similar to what Perk's next deal will look like).  And Kaman is still just 26.  It would take more to land Kaman than Camby, even though Kaman isn't expiring (and thus by keeping him the clips spend more).    

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NO chance they trade that 1rst pick. Every discussion from ESPN says that they are not even discussing this. NOt going to happen.

Again, the condition is for someone to take on Baron Davis' contract, and if that happens, they're open to negotiations.

at the same time, the question is: if rondo where in the draft would you take him 1? not a stretch.

i really think this is the best trade idea that we've seen here this season. it's not far fetched for either team. davis' contract is ridiculous bout wyc could see it as worth it to win #18.

TP from me. let's get it on the front page -- unless there's some news on the #58 pick instead. I'm talking about TimePiece 33's: Davis, Camby and #1 for Rondo and Ray.

[Moranis]

There is no way I take Baron Davis's salary without getting the #1 pick overall in return. 

Could I see a variation of a deal that includes Marcus Camby, Baron Davis, and the #1 for Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo? 

Potentially.

B Diddy's salary actually isn't that bad and he is still only 29 years old.  Is he overpaid, yeah, but he isn't grossly overpaid.  That is of course if he can stay healthy, which has to be a concern given his past.

[BudweiserCeltic]

NO chance they trade that 1rst pick. Every discussion from ESPN says that they are not even discussing this. NOt going to happen.

Again, the condition is for someone to take on Baron Davis' contract, and if that happens, they're open to negotiations.

at the same time, the question is: if rondo where in the draft would you take him 1? not a stretch.

i really think this is the best trade idea that we've seen here this season. it's not far fetched for either team. davis' contract is ridiculous bout wyc could see it as worth it to win #18.

Yeah, there's also Ray Allen. An expiring contract which they can use if needed. There's a huge motivation for them in clearing salary... so this isn't about Rondo being good enough as a #1 pick or not, there are others factors involved. The problem here is how much do the Clippers value all the money they'll be saving in these tough economic times.

[Chris]

I think the Clippers might move Davis and one of their bigs (Camby, Randolph, Kaman) for Ray Allen and filler.  It would save them a ton of money and with Griffin coming on board they need to clear out one of their bigs.  The C's could then look to move Rondo in other deals (maybe for Joe Johnson or something like that) or go into the season with Rondo and Davis as their starting backcourt (a little undersized but incredible match up problems for other teams).  Adding one of the big men would be more than enough insurance for KG and Perkins and would be a nice rotation.  I'd want Kaman, but would settle for Camby or Randolph if necessary.

I am sure the Clippers would jump at the opportunity to give up Kaman over Camby, however, I am pretty sure the C's would prefer Camby.  Whichever they brought in would be the backup big man, and Camby is both more versatile, and more importantly, is an expiring contract.

The Clippers actually like Kaman a lot.  He is a consistent double double man (when healthy, which he wasn't last year) and he isn't really overpaid (pretty similar to what Perk's next deal will look like).  And Kaman is still just 26.  It would take more to land Kaman than Camby, even though Kaman isn't expiring (and thus by keeping him the clips spend more).    

I disagree.  I think they would be absolutely jumping for joy if they could trade Baron and Kaman in the same trade.  It would put them well under the cap next year, and even further in 2011.  

While Kaman is a nice player, if they can't get rid of Randolph, Kaman is the next best thing to get rid of.  

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I think the Clippers might move Davis and one of their bigs (Camby, Randolph, Kaman) for Ray Allen and filler.  It would save them a ton of money and with Griffin coming on board they need to clear out one of their bigs.  The C's could then look to move Rondo in other deals (maybe for Joe Johnson or something like that) or go into the season with Rondo and Davis as their starting backcourt (a little undersized but incredible match up problems for other teams).  Adding one of the big men would be more than enough insurance for KG and Perkins and would be a nice rotation.  I'd want Kaman, but would settle for Camby or Randolph if necessary.

I am sure the Clippers would jump at the opportunity to give up Kaman over Camby, however, I am pretty sure the C's would prefer Camby.  Whichever they brought in would be the backup big man, and Camby is both more versatile, and more importantly, is an expiring contract.

The Clippers actually like Kaman a lot.  He is a consistent double double man (when healthy, which he wasn't last year) and he isn't really overpaid (pretty similar to what Perk's next deal will look like).  And Kaman is still just 26.  It would take more to land Kaman than Camby, even though Kaman isn't expiring (and thus by keeping him the clips spend more).    

I disagree.  I think they would be absolutely jumping for joy if they could trade Baron and Kaman in the same trade.  It would put them well under the cap next year, and even further in 2011.  

While Kaman is a nice player, if they can't get rid of Randolph, Kaman is the next best thing to get rid of.  

Davis and the #1 is already alot to get rid of.

[timepiece33]

B Diddy's salary actually isn't that bad and he is still only 29 years old.  Is he overpaid, yeah, but he isn't grossly overpaid.  That is of course if he can stay healthy, which has to be a concern given his past.

If he were healthy, it would be a reasonable contract ... but he's never healthy, which makes it a liability AND not a positive value contract. 

Put it this way ... I wouldn't trade Ray Allen and Brian Scalabrine for Baron Davis and Marcus Camby. 

[Moranis]

B Diddy's salary actually isn't that bad and he is still only 29 years old.  Is he overpaid, yeah, but he isn't grossly overpaid.  That is of course if he can stay healthy, which has to be a concern given his past.

If he were healthy, it would be a reasonable contract ... but he's never healthy, which makes it a liability AND not a positive value contract. 

Put it this way ... I wouldn't trade Ray Allen and Brian Scalabrine for Baron Davis and Marcus Camby. 

Davis has only missed 5 more games the last two years then Ray Allen has (17 to 12), granted all 17 of Davis' were last year.  And if you go back to the third year, Davis has actually played in 3 more regular season games than Allen.

[BballTim]

I think the Clippers might move Davis and one of their bigs (Camby, Randolph, Kaman) for Ray Allen and filler.  It would save them a ton of money and with Griffin coming on board they need to clear out one of their bigs.  The C's could then look to move Rondo in other deals (maybe for Joe Johnson or something like that) or go into the season with Rondo and Davis as their starting backcourt (a little undersized but incredible match up problems for other teams).  Adding one of the big men would be more than enough insurance for KG and Perkins and would be a nice rotation.  I'd want Kaman, but would settle for Camby or Randolph if necessary.

I am sure the Clippers would jump at the opportunity to give up Kaman over Camby, however, I am pretty sure the C's would prefer Camby.  Whichever they brought in would be the backup big man, and Camby is both more versatile, and more importantly, is an expiring contract.

The Clippers actually like Kaman a lot.  He is a consistent double double man (when healthy, which he wasn't last year) and he isn't really overpaid (pretty similar to what Perk's next deal will look like).  And Kaman is still just 26.  It would take more to land Kaman than Camby, even though Kaman isn't expiring (and thus by keeping him the clips spend more).    

  I heard they were willing to give Kaman away to clear his salary, but I don't know how "inside" the info was.

[bobdelt]

I think the Clippers might move Davis and one of their bigs (Camby, Randolph, Kaman) for Ray Allen and filler.  It would save them a ton of money and with Griffin coming on board they need to clear out one of their bigs.  The C's could then look to move Rondo in other deals (maybe for Joe Johnson or something like that) or go into the season with Rondo and Davis as their starting backcourt (a little undersized but incredible match up problems for other teams).  Adding one of the big men would be more than enough insurance for KG and Perkins and would be a nice rotation.  I'd want Kaman, but would settle for Camby or Randolph if necessary.

I am sure the Clippers would jump at the opportunity to give up Kaman over Camby, however, I am pretty sure the C's would prefer Camby.  Whichever they brought in would be the backup big man, and Camby is both more versatile, and more importantly, is an expiring contract.

You have it backwards. Camby is done.

Kaman gets no respect as a clunky white guy that looks like a pervert, but when he's healthy - he's good. Great shot blocker, great rebounder, and has post moves Dwight Howard only dreams about (which isnt saying much)

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camby would bring a more valuable skill set and a better contract to the Cs.

[Moranis]

I think the Clippers might move Davis and one of their bigs (Camby, Randolph, Kaman) for Ray Allen and filler.  It would save them a ton of money and with Griffin coming on board they need to clear out one of their bigs.  The C's could then look to move Rondo in other deals (maybe for Joe Johnson or something like that) or go into the season with Rondo and Davis as their starting backcourt (a little undersized but incredible match up problems for other teams).  Adding one of the big men would be more than enough insurance for KG and Perkins and would be a nice rotation.  I'd want Kaman, but would settle for Camby or Randolph if necessary.

I am sure the Clippers would jump at the opportunity to give up Kaman over Camby, however, I am pretty sure the C's would prefer Camby.  Whichever they brought in would be the backup big man, and Camby is both more versatile, and more importantly, is an expiring contract.

The Clippers actually like Kaman a lot.  He is a consistent double double man (when healthy, which he wasn't last year) and he isn't really overpaid (pretty similar to what Perk's next deal will look like).  And Kaman is still just 26.  It would take more to land Kaman than Camby, even though Kaman isn't expiring (and thus by keeping him the clips spend more).    

  I heard they were willing to give Kaman away to clear his salary, but I don't know how "inside" the info was.

well that would be great.  Allen and filler for Davis and Kaman and I'd be happy.  Fills the C's interior hole and really doesn't diminish much on the exterior (Allen is better than Davis, but not enough to make up the difference in the paint).