Trade Idea: Celtics & Clippers

[BudweiserCeltic]

Just throwing this out there to see what you guys might think of this:
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5122302

Add to that their #1 pick.

Reading around it seems that the Clippers would be willing to trade their first pick if it gets Davis off their hand.

So, is this a good enough package? If it's good enough, would you do it? If it's not good enough, what tweaks could you make to make it happen?

Motivation for the Clippers are adding a very promising young guard in Rondo and an expiring contract with Ray Allen who happens to be an all-star. They get into a much better salary cap situation (which is probably a huge motivation for them) as they will have Baron Davis off their books, and I doubt they want Ricky Davis around (plus they won't have to pay for the first pick).

Motivation for the Celtics is adding Baron Davis who although deteriorated last year, has been capable of carrying a team, and a huge offensive threat. He's a big strong PG which I like. He's also a very good friend of Pierce. The you get a young promising SG in Eric Gordon, you don't lose much as far as the backcourt goes. Then you get the #1 pick with a 6'10'' PF.

Thoughts and ideas?

[Chris]

It's interesting.  I think the C's would have to consider it.  It is a lot for the Clippers to give up for Rondo though.  I think you may be underestimating how high the Clippers are on Gordon.  I think it would have to be the #1 OR Gordon, not both.

I wonder who would say no to Rondo and Allen for Davis, Camby, Gordon, and next years unprotected #1?  That move makes the C's better this year, if Davis can stay on the floor, and even though they are unlikely to have the #1 pick again, next year's draft is going to be much stronger than this years.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Na', not really underestimating how much the Clippers value Gordon, but maybe overestimating how much the Clippers want to cut salary. I just threw Gordon in there because it was hard to match salaries to tell you the truth. We can always throw some picks and some of your young guys if necessary (Walker, Pruitt) and CASH. I don't know.

[Moranis]

I think the Clippers might move Davis and one of their bigs (Camby, Randolph, Kaman) for Ray Allen and filler.  It would save them a ton of money and with Griffin coming on board they need to clear out one of their bigs.  The C's could then look to move Rondo in other deals (maybe for Joe Johnson or something like that) or go into the season with Rondo and Davis as their starting backcourt (a little undersized but incredible match up problems for other teams).  Adding one of the big men would be more than enough insurance for KG and Perkins and would be a nice rotation.  I'd want Kaman, but would settle for Camby or Randolph if necessary.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think the Clippers might move Davis and one of their bigs (Camby, Randolph, Kaman) for Ray Allen and filler.  It would save them a ton of money and with Griffin coming on board they need to clear out one of their bigs.  The C's could then look to move Rondo in other deals (maybe for Joe Johnson or something like that) or go into the season with Rondo and Davis as their starting backcourt (a little undersized but incredible match up problems for other teams).  Adding one of the big men would be more than enough insurance for KG and Perkins and would be a nice rotation.  I'd want Kaman, but would settle for Camby or Randolph if necessary.

Something like this?:
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5122387

Interesting, they might just go for it... maybe throw some other player in there to sweeten the deal a bit if needed.

It also opens up other trade opportunities for us if needed. I'd do it if the Clippers would do it.

[PosImpos]

Randolph if necessary.

I would never allow Randolph to be on this team if I had any say in it.

[Birdbrain]

Just throwing this out there to see what you guys might think of this:
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5122302

Add to that their #1 pick.

Reading around it seems that the Clippers would be willing to trade their first pick if it gets Davis off their hand.

So, is this a good enough package? If it's good enough, would you do it? If it's not good enough, what tweaks could you make to make it happen?

Motivation for the Clippers are adding a very promising young guard in Rondo and an expiring contract with Ray Allen who happens to be an all-star. They get into a much better salary cap situation (which is probably a huge motivation for them) as they will have Baron Davis off their books, and I doubt they want Ricky Davis around (plus they won't have to pay for the first pick).

Motivation for the Celtics is adding Baron Davis who although deteriorated last year, has been capable of carrying a team, and a huge offensive threat. He's a big strong PG which I like. He's also a very good friend of Pierce. The you get a young promising SG in Eric Gordon, you don't lose much as far as the backcourt goes. Then you get the #1 pick with a 6'10'' PF.

Thoughts and ideas?

Baron Davis is just this short of Tmac status.  Sorry you are banking on someone that get's hurt when you breathe on him and for all the BBD weight people you'll love Baron the only fat PG in the NBA.

I would say ' he double hockey sticks no '

[Mr October]

Na', not really underestimating how much the Clippers value Gordon, but maybe overestimating how much the Clippers want to cut salary. I just threw Gordon in there because it was hard to match salaries to tell you the truth. We can always throw some picks and some of your young guys if necessary (Walker, Pruitt) and CASH. I don't know.

Gordon is no throw in. The Clippers love him. He's their most valued player. The clippers will not trade him.

However the clips have (or are about to have) 4 highly paid bigs and only 3 will get minutes: Blake, Randolph, Kaman, Camby.

I'd like to see Ainge try to trade Scal, TA, one of our prospects and cash for Camby. The Clips could go for it to save 2 mil or so and open up playing time.

[Chris]

I think the Clippers might move Davis and one of their bigs (Camby, Randolph, Kaman) for Ray Allen and filler.  It would save them a ton of money and with Griffin coming on board they need to clear out one of their bigs.  The C's could then look to move Rondo in other deals (maybe for Joe Johnson or something like that) or go into the season with Rondo and Davis as their starting backcourt (a little undersized but incredible match up problems for other teams).  Adding one of the big men would be more than enough insurance for KG and Perkins and would be a nice rotation.  I'd want Kaman, but would settle for Camby or Randolph if necessary.

I am sure the Clippers would jump at the opportunity to give up Kaman over Camby, however, I am pretty sure the C's would prefer Camby.  Whichever they brought in would be the backup big man, and Camby is both more versatile, and more importantly, is an expiring contract.

[Chris]

I'd like to see Ainge try to trade Scal, TA, one of our prospects and cash for Camby. The Clips could go for it to save 2 mil or so and open up playing time.

We would need to also include House to make it work.  And I think the Clippers could get more for Camby.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Na', not really underestimating how much the Clippers value Gordon, but maybe overestimating how much the Clippers want to cut salary. I just threw Gordon in there because it was hard to match salaries to tell you the truth. We can always throw some picks and some of your young guys if necessary (Walker, Pruitt) and CASH. I don't know.

Gordon is no throw in. The Clippers love him. He's their most valued player. The clippers will not trade him.

However the clips have (or are about to have) 4 highly paid bigs and only 3 will get minutes: Blake, Randolph, Kaman, Camby.

I'd like to see Ainge try to trade Scal, TA, one of our prospects and cash for Camby. The Clips could go for it to save 2 mil or so and open up playing time.

I know he's no throw-in. Poor phrasing from my part... still fact was that I needed him to make salaries match.

Anyways, there are a ton of possibilities and opportunities with the Clippers the way I see it, in ways that can benefit both teams and their interests.

[timepiece33]

There is no way I take Baron Davis's salary without getting the #1 pick overall in return. 

Could I see a variation of a deal that includes Marcus Camby, Baron Davis, and the #1 for Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo? 

Potentially.

[bobdelt]

There is no way I take Baron Davis's salary without getting the #1 pick overall in return. 

Could I see a variation of a deal that includes Marcus Camby, Baron Davis, and the #1 for Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo? 

Potentially.

I'd take Kamon over Camby, but the Clippers wouldn't

[BudweiserCeltic]

There is no way I take Baron Davis's salary without getting the #1 pick overall in return. 

Could I see a variation of a deal that includes Marcus Camby, Baron Davis, and the #1 for Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo? 

Potentially.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5122532

Only problem is that our wing depth suffers a bit, and the reason for the #1 pick it would be to get Blake, so we'd have a ton of big men. But that also opens up some other trade possibilities, and Camby is an expiring contract himself and we still have TA's and Scal's to use.

Maybe they can throw in Ricky Davis in there too. Helps are wing depth a bit, plus it's another expiring contract we can use with TA, Scal, and Camby.

[timepiece33]

Unless you believe Blake can play SF.   It would be a stretch, but Paul is more than capable defensively as a SG.