Roll the Dice With GSW

[Hambone]

Trade R. Allen for S. Jackson, Azubuike, Turiaf

Rondo/House
Azubuike/S. Jackson
Pierce/S. Jackson
Garnett/Powe
Perkins/Turiaf

This trade looks crazy. We'd be trading the best player in the deal and giving up financial flexibility in 2010 for a knucklehead and two role players.  But maybe it's crazy like a fox. 

With KG and Pierce, I think the culture in Boston is strong enough to get Jackson to not be a ballhog/crazy. It would provide much more depth on the wings and scoring off the bench.  Azubuike would be a nice, relatively athletic role player who can shoot the three and finish on the break.  It gets another solid big who can bang with Dwight and provide Perk insurance.  Plus Jackson is a strong, intense defender who might even be crazy enough to get in LeBron's head during a playoff series. 

I think all the pieces in this deal fit together nicely. Does it make any sense?

[paintitgreen]

Our shooting takes a big hit, but our perimeter defense increases substantially, and we have the big man off the bench we need. I don't hate it.  My reluctance is the same as with every trade involving Ray - he's just such a [dang] good shooter I hate to give that up.

[Cman]

First off: TP for the "crazy like a fox" comment.
Second: I don't think it is such a bad trade.  Cs lose financial flexibility, but add a decent SG at starter, and address the backup big man and wing needs.  Cs could then sign a PG for the vet min, and pretty much be done with offseason moves.  In other words,  you know the owners would think such a move would make financial sense....

[Fan from VT]

I think a lot about the Warriors, for the following reasons:

1. They have too many wing players, and must want to unload a couple
2. They have a lot of long, mid-size contracts (8-11 mil) that are redundant.
3. Turiaf is an underrated player. Very good defender, good size.
4. They must be facing financial problems.

I think a deal could be made with them, but would it be good enough for the C's? Plus, I'm not sure the financial incentive is strong enough for G.S. to do the trade you proposed. Azubuike has a sweet contract and they paid Jackson recently because they liked his leadership. However, they were telling Crawford to decline his 2 yr. option (which he won't), and they reportedly regret the Maggette deal, and Maggette's a surprisingly solid player, especially at getting to line, which is something KG, Ray, and PP are starting to do less and less.

For instance, Ray, Giddens, and Pruitt for Maggette, Crawford, Turiaf and Wright accomplishes a few things: saves G.S. 4.5 mil now and a bunch next season, consolidates their wing position, gets rid of Maggette's contract and gets rid of unwanted Crawford as well as opening p.t. for Randolph. They'd now have something like this to build on:

Ellis/Morrow
Ray/Bellinelli
Jackson/Azubuike
Randolph/Azubuike (nellie ball)
Biedrins



The C's get to spread out their talent a bit as Rondo continues to come into his own. Minutes would be spread around since Wright can play 3/4, Crawford's a 1/2, Maggette's a 2/3 and Turiaf's a 4/5:

Rondo/Crawford
Maggette/Crawford/House
Pierce/Wright/Maggette/Walker
KG/Wright/Turiaf/Powe/Scal
Perk/Turiaf

[PosImpos]

I think a lot about the Warriors, for the following reasons:

1. They have too many wing players, and must want to unload a couple
2. They have a lot of long, mid-size contracts (8-11 mil) that are redundant.
3. Turiaf is an underrated player. Very good defender, good size.
4. They must be facing financial problems.

I think a deal could be made with them, but would it be good enough for the C's? Plus, I'm not sure the financial incentive is strong enough for G.S. to do the trade you proposed. Azubuike has a sweet contract and they paid Jackson recently because they liked his leadership. However, they were telling Crawford to decline his 2 yr. option (which he won't), and they reportedly regret the Maggette deal, and Maggette's a surprisingly solid player, especially at getting to line, which is something KG, Ray, and PP are starting to do less and less.

For instance, Ray, Giddens, and Pruitt for Maggette, Crawford, Turiaf and Wright accomplishes a few things: saves G.S. 4.5 mil now and a bunch next season, consolidates their wing position, gets rid of Maggette's contract and gets rid of unwanted Crawford as well as opening p.t. for Randolph. They'd now have something like this to build on:

Ellis/Morrow
Ray/Bellinelli
Jackson/Azubuike
Randolph/Azubuike (nellie ball)
Biedrins



The C's get to spread out their talent a bit as Rondo continues to come into his own. Minutes would be spread around since Wright can play 3/4, Crawford's a 1/2, Maggette's a 2/3 and Turiaf's a 4/5:

Rondo/Crawford
Maggette/Crawford/House
Pierce/Wright/Maggette/Walker
KG/Wright/Turiaf/Powe/Scal
Perk/Turiaf

I like this idea.  G.S. might actually do it though I doubt they'd give up Brendan Wright.  Even just getting Maggette, Crawford and Turiaf might be worth it, though I'm not so sure.

Both Maggette and Crawford would be big gambles in that we'd have to really hope that being on the Celtics would improve them as defenders since they are known as awful defenders at the moment.

I agree about Turiaf though.

[Fan from VT]

I think a lot about the Warriors, for the following reasons:

1. They have too many wing players, and must want to unload a couple
2. They have a lot of long, mid-size contracts (8-11 mil) that are redundant.
3. Turiaf is an underrated player. Very good defender, good size.
4. They must be facing financial problems.

I think a deal could be made with them, but would it be good enough for the C's? Plus, I'm not sure the financial incentive is strong enough for G.S. to do the trade you proposed. Azubuike has a sweet contract and they paid Jackson recently because they liked his leadership. However, they were telling Crawford to decline his 2 yr. option (which he won't), and they reportedly regret the Maggette deal, and Maggette's a surprisingly solid player, especially at getting to line, which is something KG, Ray, and PP are starting to do less and less.

For instance, Ray, Giddens, and Pruitt for Maggette, Crawford, Turiaf and Wright accomplishes a few things: saves G.S. 4.5 mil now and a bunch next season, consolidates their wing position, gets rid of Maggette's contract and gets rid of unwanted Crawford as well as opening p.t. for Randolph. They'd now have something like this to build on:

Ellis/Morrow
Ray/Bellinelli
Jackson/Azubuike
Randolph/Azubuike (nellie ball)
Biedrins



The C's get to spread out their talent a bit as Rondo continues to come into his own. Minutes would be spread around since Wright can play 3/4, Crawford's a 1/2, Maggette's a 2/3 and Turiaf's a 4/5:

Rondo/Crawford
Maggette/Crawford/House
Pierce/Wright/Maggette/Walker
KG/Wright/Turiaf/Powe/Scal
Perk/Turiaf

I like this idea.  G.S. might actually do it though I doubt they'd give up Brendan Wright.  Even just getting Maggette, Crawford and Turiaf might be worth it, though I'm not so sure.

Both Maggette and Crawford would be big gambles in that we'd have to really hope that being on the Celtics would improve them as defenders since they are known as awful defenders at the moment.

I agree about Turiaf though.

I think they'd have to include either Wright, Randolph, Morrow, picks, or some combination in order to offset the gamble of taking big, unwanted salaries.

Without Wright or some sweet picks, I'd rather do the first trade of just Ray for Jackson, Azubuike and Turiaf, but I don't know if G.S. does that; it doesn't save them money right away, they seem to like Jackson, and Azubuike and Turiaf have good deals.

[snively]

The Warriors have some very friendly salaries and some horrible, bleeding, cancerous ones.  Jackson and Maggette in particular, with Crawford close behind and Monta Ellis questionable.

I like the thought of Morrow, Kelenna and maybe Turiaf, but the contracts and the talent don't match-up well in a Ray trade.

[sdceltsfan]

   I actually really like the potential of Golden State as a trade partner, mainly for the reasons covered in other posts: Their financial situation, having too many wings, and also just too many role players in general. I would say Stephen Jackson is maybe their 4th or 5th best player and somehow he is their leader? To me that isn't a promising sign for their franchise to actually win.
  The problem is that if we give up only Ray, we aren't going to get enough back to make us much better of an all-around team, plus we lose a starter. Why not go for a huge trade that includes Rondo; so they have incentive to gain a top 3-5 pg prospect and a veteran leader who can start, teach their young guys some finer point about the game, and then save them 18 mil so they can chase after Bosh, who they already expressed interest in aquiring last year. What do you guys think of this:

Boston Trades: Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo, Tony Allen, future 1st

Golden State Trades: Corey Maggette, Jamal Crawford, Rony Turiaf, Anthony Randolph, and the #7 pick

We take on a ton of cap but our lineup looks like this:

PG: (Vet pickup MLE, Kidd/Andre Miller possibly), *Marbury (if he signs back), #7 (Curry/Teague/Jennings)
SG: Pierce, Crawford, #7 (Harden, Evans, Curry),  Giddens
SF: Maggette, Pierce, Randolph, B. Walker
PF: KG, *Powe (likely will be signed), Turiaf
C: Perk, Turiaf, Powe
 
(I see Davis getting overpaid by someone else, Mikki Moore is bye bye, Pruitt is likely bye bye, and if House re-ups then that works, otherwise he is expendible by drafting another guard and the Crawford pickup)

  We actually become a solid 9-10 man rotation and I think our defense will improve, free-throws per game, as well as our bench scoring and perimeter D. We also have flexibility with the #7 pick to go with Ainge's guy in Tyreke Evans, or to just go with the best player that slides (Jordan Hill in this lineup would be awesome, as well as James Harden or Stephen Curry/Brandon Jennings/Jeff Teague to play some point).
  It seems like GS is giving up too much, but really they don't use Crawford at all, Anthony Randolph barely saw light of day even with the metiocrity going on, and 3 of 4 players the Celtics get (Maggette, Crawford, and Turiaf) are all contracts that I'm guessing Golden State would like to rid themselves of in the current market. They also are getting the two best players in the trade without question.
  We can forget worrying about overpaying Rondo and tying up our cap. And as cap-tied as this makes our team, on the short-term we don't have to worry about any resignings or extentions for 3 seasons when our #7 pick looks to get paid.

 Any thoughts?

[Fafnir]

I want no part of Jamal Crawford. He's what Ben Gordon is about to become. An overpaid one dimensional player, and he lacks Gordon's virtue of efficient shooting.

[PosImpos]

I want no part of Jamal Crawford. He's what Ben Gordon is about to become. An overpaid one dimensional player, and he lacks Gordon's virtue of efficient shooting.

well, I think us taking Jamal is the only reason GS would trade with us.  We could get a lot of extra value in a trade in return for accepting Jamal Crawford.

But I tend to agree with you nonetheless.

Still, the prospect of trading with GS is interesting, because they do have a roster which is thin on certain positions and overfilled on others.  They have a lot of middling talents on their team and no really big ones.  That makes them ripe for some trades.

[federico]

Here is the trade for me:
Ray Allen for Maggette,Crawford, Belinelli & Wright
Belinelli, that is the best defenfer of  the lotto would be the starter and Crawford & Maggette the 6th and 7th man of the rotation, 'cause vs the opposite 2nd unit, even if they are not good defenfers, they can be devastating; the only thing that scares me is  their tendency to not pass the ball, that in in a system like there is in Boston could be a problem.

[VPofCommonSense]

I dont know about y'all but I'd rather have Steven Jackson than Maggette.

Afterall, Jackson "makes love to pressure."

[crownsy]

I dont know about y'all but I'd rather have Steven Jackson than Maggette.

Afterall, Jackson "makes love to pressure."

and fan's faces with his fist.

I'm not really interested in either guy.

[timepiece33]

There is no way that I take on both Maggette's and Crawford's salary. I personally don't trade Ray Allen in a deal with the Warriors, because their contract components suck. 

Would I consider Monta Ellis, Corey Maggette, Marco Bellinelli, and Jemario Davidson for Ray Allen and JR Giddens?  Maybe.  I guess. 

I'd rather offer up Tony Allen, Brian Scalabrine, and JR Giddens for Maggette after the BYC issues are taken care of.

[Jon]

When you have the best team in the NBA, why would you want to roll the dice on something crazy?  That's something you do when you're a perennial first round loser looking to make the leap to the next level.