Celtics going after Amare Stoudamire ?

[WeMadeIt17]

I would really enjoy having big Amare Stoudemire on this ball club, I really hope there is a way to get him out of phoenix and get him here. Of course we would have to re-negotiate  his contract since it expires in 2010, but i would really give up rondo and ray ray if it got us Stat, Babrosa,and the 14th pick. Hell I am willing to give up whatever in order to get Stat. KG would turn him into a beast. Say we do trade rondo and ray to get him in town then we could sign someone like J Kidd to a MLE offer and try to win with him on the team. I really would expect much more from a team with Kidd Pierce KG and STAT could you imagine that team coming in against anyone for that matter! GO GET AMARE!

[johnnyrondo]

"Any trade of Rondo or Perk is a step back."

This is obviously wrong. A reason for why isn't even needed. Pointless generalization.

Comparing Perk and Rondo to the Durant, CP3, Roy, Howard, Lebron, etc is also way off base. They should be compared to lesser players. Compare Rondo to Devin Harris, for example.

"And Perk should be like Robert Parish and remain a Celtic for many years. Perk's like the Jim Rice to Parish's Yaz. Thabeet? Roll Eyes You have to be kidding me."

I would be horrified if a GM used this kind of logic. Perk is no Jim Rice. Rice is a borderline HOFer. Perk may never even be an all star.

"Or trading Brandon Roy b/c you're still in love with Telfair."

Huh? In love with Telfair? I think you missed the point of that trade. Raef's contract was traded for Ratliff's shorter contract. Do you think Portland really wanted Raef? They agreed to take his contract in order to get Roy.

Yaz was the Sox leftfielder for MANY years, followed by Rice for MANY years. Consistent left fielder. Parish was with the Celtics for MANY years and Perk should be too. imo.

If you think Minny would not have preferred Brandon Roy and Raef's expiring contract one yr later than Ratliff's and Bassy, I don't know what to say. The idea that there would be no KG trade without the Bassy trade is laughable. If McHale gets Roy and Raef in addition to Al, he could of turned KG into Brandon Roy, Al Jefferson, and possibly Amare. We'd still have Gomes and a couple firsts too. And with Gomes I don't see the Magic beating us this past yr.

Even after the KG trade if Pritchard calls McHale and offers Brandon Roy and Raef for Bassy and Ratliff you think McHale even waits to pull in his fishing rod before accepting? Ainge made the Bassy trade, b/c he thought Bassy would be much better and didn't think Roy would be that good. Just like he thought Swift would be better than Al Jefferson. Ainge makes mistakes. Sorry if you think even his mistakes are part of some master ingenious plan.

The "Bassy trade was all part of some ingenious plan to get KG" is sooo tired.

You have 3 old all-stars in Ray, Pierce and KG. You still need a point guard and a Center. If you trade Perk for Thabeet, you have taken a step back. If you trade Rondo for any point guard in this draft, you have taken a step back. And actually I was wrong when I said a step back. More like a few steps back.

[Gomesfan]

If this trade went down, I guess the C's really don't care about the luxury tax.

Wyc did say he would not mind the luxury tax for the right player. IMO Amare' is that player if he can remain healthy, think about Perk(shoulder issues) or Amare'(eye) and is also an allstar who has freakish athletic ability for his size. Than you also have to think about what Clifford Ray has done for the like of Perk and Big Al. What do you think him and the bulldog Tom Thibodeau are gonna do for Amare?
 They will turn him into a defensive monster and shot blocker. Cliff will help him man up his low post game with a nasty little hook. We need to all realize what these two can do for a guy like Amare let alone the other players he will be surrounded by, um like KG the most intense player in the league, a defensive monster. Think about it if we can mold him and intensify him it would almost be like have a KG at the 5 spot!!

[Birdbrain]

It's funny that the two guys I least want to lose Perkins and Rondo are the names I keep hearing that Danny is floating out there. I mean I know they have the most value, but there's a reason. They're good and they're young. CP3 has a lot of value too, and Durant, and Roy, and Lebron, and Dwight Howard, but you don't see those teams trying to trade them. We have a great young pg and center, two hardest positions to fill. We should not be trying to move them. If Wyc doesn't want to pay them now. Let them play out a yr and see if they earn that contract. Worst case scenario is they play play really well and you have to pay them. Awful    I mean we traded Al Jefferson and draft picks for a 3 yr window. Any trade of Rondo or Perk is a step back.  I envision as the big three get older they becoming supporting players and us being lead by Rondo's triple doubles, Perk's defense and a young wing we will hopefully be able to pick up in the next yr or two.

We've been searching for a pg like Rondo for YEARS. Do we really want to lose him now? Over a few million? really?  And Perk should be like Robert Parish and remain a Celtic for many years. Perk's like the Jim Rice to Parish's Yaz. Thabeet? You have to be kidding me.

Don't over think Danny. You got the perfect storm with the tanking and the high pick and Seattle taking Robert Swift and making you settle for Al Jefferson and your friendship with McHale. When you try to out smart people you end up with JR Giddens or POB. Or trading for Wally or Raef. Or trading Brandon Roy b/c you're still in love with Telfair. Or giving away Tony Battie and Eric williams for Ricky Davis. Just keep everyone and improve the bench with reliable players (no flyers) and go for #18.

You people still exist?  Everything that works out is luck but, when they don't it's bad moves.  Sounds logical.  Red Sox nation?

How about everything that work out is skill, but everything that doesn't is bad luck. Sounds illogical too.

Interesting someone said that?

[xmuscularghandix]

If you trade Rondo/Ray for Barbosa/Stoudemire... it's SUPER fun to play with that team on nba 2k9.

[CoachBo]

I'm not in love with Stoudamire. No defense, health.

But ... this is an interesting deal because the price isn't exhorbitant. Plus, as pointed out earlier, the deal brings back an immediate replacement at the 2.

Gotta think about this one a little longer, but it softens my concerns about price.

[bobdelt]

The only thing that concerns me is.....

Why are they trading Amare to begin with?

If the suns trade Amare, its because they dont think he'll ever be the same ---> bad news for whoever gets him.

Adding Ray, and Perk, to Nash and Shaq makes no sense to me, and they'll probably deal shaq (and keep Amare).

All and all, this is a steal, unless Amare's career is over.

[PosImpos]

If you trade Rondo/Ray for Barbosa/Stoudemire... it's SUPER fun to play with that team on nba 2k9.

I'm so jealous of you...my copy of the game got scratched and I can't play it anymore.  Not gonna buy it again because I already bought one replacement.  X-Box scratches games so easily. 

[rondohondo]

Here is another trade that is very possible

The Celtics have been connected with the #5 pick for Ray Allen and now the sunds are being connected to the # 5 pick for Stoudamire .


Bos Sends:    Ray, Perk, Scal , future 1st, BBD(if necessary)
Bos Receives: Stoudamire, Richardson

Pho Sends:    Stoudamire, Richardson
Pho Receives: Perk, Tyreke Evans( #5 Pick), James(Exp)
              Scal(Exp), Etan Thomas expiring , future 1st

Wash Sends:    Thomas, James, Songalia, #5 Pick
Wash Receives: Ray Allen, BBD( if necessary)


I know this is pure speculation on my part, but it all makes to much sense not to happen.

The rumors have been Perk was offered for # 2 and Ray for #5. There is no way the Celtics are going to break up their starting 5 for a Rookie at #2 or #5 in a weak draft. The time to win is now and by getting Stoudamire and Richardson  you would be able to do that still, while putting the celtics in better position in the future by acquiring a franchise big man.

There is no doubt in my mind that this is Danny plan to swing a top pick to Phoenix along with Perk or Ray for Stoudamire.
I think this has a really good chance of happening too.

I would say there is about a 70% chance Stoudamire could be in Green next year.

[PosImpos]

Here is another trade that is very possible

The Celtics have been connected with the #5 pick for Ray Allen and now the sunds are being connected to the # 5 pick for Stoudamire .


Bos Sends:    Ray, Perk, Scal , future 1st, BBD(if necessary)
Bos Receives: Stoudamire, Richardson

Pho Sends:    Stoudamire, Richardson
Pho Receives: Perk, Tyreke Evans( #5 Pick), James(Exp)
              Scal(Exp), Etan Thomas expiring , future 1st

Wash Sends:    Thomas, James, Songalia, #5 Pick
Wash Receives: Ray Allen, BBD( if necessary)


I know this is pure speculation on my part, but it all makes to much sense not to happen.

The rumors have been Perk was offered for # 2 and Ray for #5. There is no way the Celtics are going to break up their starting 5 for a Rookie at #2 or #5 in a weak draft. The time to win is now and by getting Stoudamire and Richardson  you would be able to do that still, while putting the celtics in better position in the future by acquiring a franchise big man.

There is no doubt in my mind that this is Danny plan to swing a top pick to Phoenix along with Perk or Ray for Stoudamire.
I think this has a really good chance of happening too.

I would say there is about a 70% chance Stoudamire could be in Green next year.

70%?  I think 25% at most.  70% makes it very likely.  More likely than not, in fact.  I think it's far from that.

[rondohondo]

The only thing that concerns me is.....

Why are they trading Amare to begin with?

If the suns trade Amare, its because they dont think he'll ever be the same ---> bad news for whoever gets him.

Adding Ray, and Perk, to Nash and Shaq makes no sense to me, and they'll probably deal shaq (and keep Amare).

All and all, this is a steal, unless Amare's career is over.

Why wouldn't it make sense to add Perk. They are trying to move shaq for cap relief . That means they will be in need of a starting Center for the present and future. Perk fits that role and has championship experience. It makes total sense to me .

[rondohondo]

Here is another trade that is very possible

The Celtics have been connected with the #5 pick for Ray Allen and now the sunds are being connected to the # 5 pick for Stoudamire .


Bos Sends:    Ray, Perk, Scal , future 1st, BBD(if necessary)
Bos Receives: Stoudamire, Richardson

Pho Sends:    Stoudamire, Richardson
Pho Receives: Perk, Tyreke Evans( #5 Pick), James(Exp)
              Scal(Exp), Etan Thomas expiring , future 1st

Wash Sends:    Thomas, James, Songalia, #5 Pick
Wash Receives: Ray Allen, BBD( if necessary)


I know this is pure speculation on my part, but it all makes to much sense not to happen.

The rumors have been Perk was offered for # 2 and Ray for #5. There is no way the Celtics are going to break up their starting 5 for a Rookie at #2 or #5 in a weak draft. The time to win is now and by getting Stoudamire and Richardson  you would be able to do that still, while putting the celtics in better position in the future by acquiring a franchise big man.

There is no doubt in my mind that this is Danny plan to swing a top pick to Phoenix along with Perk or Ray for Stoudamire.
I think this has a really good chance of happening too.

I would say there is about a 70% chance Stoudamire could be in Green next year.

70%?  I think 25% at most.  70% makes it very likely.  More likely than not, in fact.  I think it's far from that.

ok maybe 70% is high, but I think it has a really good chance of happening and I think there is no doubt this is why Danny wants to acquire a high draft pick.

[snively]

I think KG and Amare is a doomed pairing.  They both like the jumper, they both prefer playing the 4 spot, neither has the body to D up Bynum, Howard or Yao and they're both incredibly expensive, restricting any chances of adding to the frontcourt.

Perk and KG is as perfect a pairing as I can imagine, in game and financial terms.  We need a good back-up 5 not another starting 4.

[xmuscularghandix]

I think KG and Amare is a doomed pairing.  They both like the jumper, they both prefer playing the 4 spot, neither has the body to D up Bynum, Howard or Yao and they're both incredibly expensive, restricting any chances of adding to the frontcourt.

Perk and KG is as perfect a pairing as I can imagine, in game and financial terms.  We need a good back-up 5 not another starting 4.

what if we put it like this?:

3. Amare
4. Garnett
5. Perk

[rondohondo]

I think KG and Amare is a doomed pairing.  They both like the jumper, they both prefer playing the 4 spot, neither has the body to D up Bynum, Howard or Yao and they're both incredibly expensive, restricting any chances of adding to the frontcourt.

Perk and KG is as perfect a pairing as I can imagine, in game and financial terms.  We need a good back-up 5 not another starting 4.

We still would have the full MLE , LLE and Vet minimum. They could easily sign a legit backup like Zaza or Gortat and still have the LLE and Vet min to fill out their roster

The celtics 2009-10 roster could look something like this:

PG: Rondo            / Marbury ( Vet Min)
SG: Richardon        / House
SF: PP               / Grant Hill ( Vet Min)
PF: KG               / Mcdyess ( LLE)
 C: Stoudamire       / Zaza or Gortat ( MLE )

To me that is a team that can contend with anyone in the league. Plus we also have a bright future with a top 5 PG and top 5 Big man .