Get Rid of Rondo Instead

[RAcker]

The poison spewed at Rondo lately is nothing short of shocking.  I have no beefs with his play.  Now the showing up late strung out on Red Bull, I do have a problem with that and Danny might too.

[Roy Hobbs]

In terms of "winning now", I think Rondo is more replaceable that Perk.  Rondo has more potential, but I think it would be possible to replace him with a guy like Andre Miller or Jason Kidd and still have the offense function almost as effectively as it does now.  The loss of Perk on defense would be huge.

  I'm not looking to lose either one of them, but I don't know that I'd agree with this. If you look at all of last year Rondo's contribution to the team was more than Perk's. He was arguably our mvp. Based on his career thus far I'd expect Rondo to play a bigger role on the team next year.

I agree that if we replaced neither player, Rondo is a bigger loss.

However, I think Andre Miller (for instance) is closer to Rondo than Zaza (for instance) is to Perk.

[Roy Hobbs]

Enough with the mocking images, please.

[crownsy]

The poison spewed at Rondo lately is nothing short of shocking.  I have no beefs with his play.  Now the showing up late strung out on Red Bull, I do have a problem with that and Danny might too.

have we ever gotten any kind of detailed explanation about it?

It was a blurb in the AP story about when his car showed up right? I could be wrong but i saw nothing else on it from anyone.

IF that all were basing this entire attack on his character that is going on in alot of threads, seems pretty thin to me.

[BballTim]

In terms of "winning now", I think Rondo is more replaceable that Perk.  Rondo has more potential, but I think it would be possible to replace him with a guy like Andre Miller or Jason Kidd and still have the offense function almost as effectively as it does now.  The loss of Perk on defense would be huge.

  I'm not looking to lose either one of them, but I don't know that I'd agree with this. If you look at all of last year Rondo's contribution to the team was more than Perk's. He was arguably our mvp. Based on his career thus far I'd expect Rondo to play a bigger role on the team next year.

I agree that if we replaced neither player, Rondo is a bigger loss.

However, I think Andre Miller (for instance) is closer to Rondo than Zaza (for instance) is to Perk.

  I think McDyess would be a better fill-in for Perk than Zaza. It's all theoretical, but I don't think it will be easy to get a new pg. The three I keep hearing about are Miller, Bibby and Kidd. I'm pretty sure I heard Cuban say he wants to extend Kidd, and I've read in the Atlanta papers that they want Bibby back. If those teams want those players then going over the MLE to keep them is a no-brainer. That would leave Miller, assuming that Philly doesn't want him back, and I don't think we'd be the only bidder. I'd bet that players like McDyess, Zaza and Joe Smith (if the Cavs trade for a big) would be easier to get.

[BballTim]

The poison spewed at Rondo lately is nothing short of shocking.  I have no beefs with his play.  Now the showing up late strung out on Red Bull, I do have a problem with that and Danny might too.

have we ever gotten any kind of detailed explanation about it?

It was a blurb in the AP story about when his car showed up right? I could be wrong but i saw nothing else on it from anyone.

IF that all were basing this entire attack on his character that is going on in alot of threads, seems pretty thin to me.

  It seemed to be pretty well covered (as I recall) that he was late for one of the early games in the Orlando series. The only reference that I saw to him being late for a 2nd game was a line in an espn chat. It could have easily been that he misunderstood when he heard that Rondo was late for an earlier game and thought it was the current game. Kind of like the "Rondo was eating spicy junk offd at his locker befor ehte game" was widely reported. You'd think that Rondo showing up late for a game 7 would have been a decent story in the local papers and that Rondo showing up late for multiple home games in a playoff series would have been a lingering story, but I haven't seen mention of it in the local papers (not that I read every article).

[Chris]

In terms of "winning now", I think Rondo is more replaceable that Perk.  Rondo has more potential, but I think it would be possible to replace him with a guy like Andre Miller or Jason Kidd and still have the offense function almost as effectively as it does now.  The loss of Perk on defense would be huge.

  I'm not looking to lose either one of them, but I don't know that I'd agree with this. If you look at all of last year Rondo's contribution to the team was more than Perk's. He was arguably our mvp. Based on his career thus far I'd expect Rondo to play a bigger role on the team next year.

I agree that if we replaced neither player, Rondo is a bigger loss.

However, I think Andre Miller (for instance) is closer to Rondo than Zaza (for instance) is to Perk.

Agreed.  But if you include trades (like I proposed in the Perk thread), there could be ways to replace Perk, if you get blown away by an offer for him.  Guys like Chandler are very much available if we need to fill the starting Center role.

The other interesting option about trading Perk is that it might make a trade for Amare more feasible.  I wonder if Phoenix would have much interest in Rubio.  How about a 3-way deal, with Perk and Walker going to Memphis, #2 and Ray going to Phoenix, and Amare and Barbosa coming to Boston.  

This allows Boston to start Amare and Garnett, while holding on to Rondo.  

For Phoenix, they get a young PG to groom to replace Nash, and save a few million this year, as well as many more million from Barbosa's contract.  It also gives them more cost certainty, since they wouldn't have to pay Rubio for a few more years, instead of paying Rondo next season.  It also may give them the opportunity to try to lure 2 near max contracts to sunny Phoenix next summer if they let Nash go, and even more flexibility if they can find a taker for Richardson.

I don't know if I like this deal, but it makes a whole lot more sense than trading Rondo and Allen for Amare and Barbosa, when the C's held on to Perk IMO.

[crownsy]

do you remeber any links though? I was thinking about this the other day.

I know it happened in that one game, the globe ran that in their game recap, but it has since grown to epic proportions in these threads and is used as justification as to why he is a horrible teammate and leader.

For all we know, his car broke down (unlikely of course, im not trying to excuse him from this, just pointing out we have no details that i know of)

 could be completely wrong, and it could have been well covered. but it seems to me this was a blurb that has grown in scope and speculation no where but on this blog as its referenced like the gospel time and time again.

[MrTripleDouble10]

do you remeber any links though? I was thinking about this the other day.

I know it happened in that one game, the globe ran that in their game recap, but it has since grown to epic proportions in these threads and is used as justification as to why he is a horrible teammate and leader.

For all we know, his car broke down (unlikely of course, im not trying to excuse him from this, just pointing out we have no details that i know of)

 could be completely wrong, and it could have been well covered. but it seems to me this was a blurb that has grown in scope and speculation no where but on this blog as its referenced like the gospel time and time again.

All of that stuff was (and still is) way too overblown.  All that matters is what he (or any other player) does once the ball gets jumped.  Honestly, if he showed up 2 seconds prior to tipoff and dominated a game, would anyone honestly care?  I wouldn't.
It's madness that people are this hung up on him being late for a game.  It's hysterical.

[BballTim]

do you remeber any links though? I was thinking about this the other day.

I know it happened in that one game, the globe ran that in their game recap, but it has since grown to epic proportions in these threads and is used as justification as to why he is a horrible teammate and leader.

For all we know, his car broke down (unlikely of course, im not trying to excuse him from this, just pointing out we have no details that i know of)

 could be completely wrong, and it could have been well covered. but it seems to me this was a blurb that has grown in scope and speculation no where but on this blog as its referenced like the gospel time and time again.

  It could have also been a case of the flu, which I think Scal had. Rondo's really listless at the beginning of game 7 vs Chicago because of a stomach ailment. He gets to the garden late for game 1 vs Orlando and is also listless until the 2nd half. Or, as you say, it could have been that he ate something that didn't agree with him one game and had car (or traffic) trouble before the next game. It's either nothing or an obvious sign of character flaws and maturity issues.

[ACF]

Enough with the mocking images, please.

Point taken.

[pengaloo]

do you remeber any links though? I was thinking about this the other day.

I know it happened in that one game, the globe ran that in their game recap, but it has since grown to epic proportions in these threads and is used as justification as to why he is a horrible teammate and leader.

For all we know, his car broke down (unlikely of course, im not trying to excuse him from this, just pointing out we have no details that i know of)

 could be completely wrong, and it could have been well covered. but it seems to me this was a blurb that has grown in scope and speculation no where but on this blog as its referenced like the gospel time and time again.

I don't think there were any details. Just that he was late. And there was no other media speculation either attached to this lateness about it affecting his game (i.e., that he came in moody, frazzled, unfocused, etc). I think if there were signs of those things, the media would have reported it right away. If the media don't think it's a big deal -- and they make a big deal out of just about anything, I don't know why this blog is blowing it up into epic proportions...

But whatever, lets just speculate on the character issues of one of our youngest and most promising players. We're just bored because he doesn't have DUIs, death threats, or late night partying attached to his name.

[TheLegendaryClub]

Thanks for the laugh, man.

Seriously though, you might have had less hostile reception if you'd simply stated why to keep Perk, instead of bashing Rondo. The things you said about him are ridiculous. He can lead, he has plenty of skills, and he was all-nba defensive, so clearly his defense is passable. His jump shot is weak, but he'll work on it. Three years isn't a whole lot of experience.

If everyone's saying the focus should be on building the C's up for the future, well, you're staring at it in both Perk and Rondo. If they get rid of him now, he'll turn out to be the next Billups, and Ainge will be saying, shoot, I got Rondo'd.

[KG]

I have a suggestion, Get rid of Rondo.

Remember when Pitino traded Chauncey Billups? Rondo is even younger than Billups when he was dealt away. Rondo is only 23, it's way too early to give up on him. He's got potential that we haven't even seen yet. IMO, every aspect of his game will improve dramatically, and we'd be kicking ourselves if he was traded now.

[Toine43]

This thread is disgusting. Instead of dignifying OPs like that with responses, people should just do the internet equivalent of giving someone the silent treatment.