Grousbeck: We can offer a 'max contract' next year

[Roy Hobbs]

Assumptions:

1.  We don't trade KG or Perk.

2.  We cut Giddens.

3.  We sign no free agents for more than one year this off-season.

4.  Pierce opts out.

5.  The salary cap is $58 million in 2010.

6.  Rondo immediately decides to forgo restricted free agency, and decides to play for his qualifying offer.

Under those circumstances, we'd have about $27 million to fill out our roster (due to roster holds at the minimum salary).  Assuming we sign a player of Lebron's tenure, he's be earning around $17+ million in the first year.

That means we'd have to sign Paul, possibly Ray, and every other free agent we want for no more than $10 million.  It's not a very likely scenario.

Of course, if Rondo acts like anything other than a complete fool and decides to explore restricted free agency, we'd have a cap hold for him as well, meaning we'd have closer to $6 million to fill out our roster.  (Keep in mind that if you take advantage of cap space that you have to renounce the MLE and LLE).

[pengaloo]

This is the same guy who "lied" to us about KG's health... we should take what he says with a grain of salt. He's probably trying to sell tickets .

[CelticsWhat35]

Hopefully, this isn't the Celtics' excuse if they don't using any MLE money this off season.

[crownsy]

Listen to the Audio! He is indeed reffering to be under the cap enough to offer a Max deal!

which is impossible under the current cap rules unless we are renouncing paul pierce and then resigning him for a massive pay cut (like, near the minimum cut).

Wyc's talking out of his behind.

If they don't sign Rondo and Paul Opts out and signs a back loaded 3 or 4 year deal starting at say 14 or 15 million it is possible.

not with a max contract offered its not, you'd have to renounce paul's bird rights to offer the max to someone, and thus we would only have the MLE or minimum contract available between ray, rondo, and paul after this hypothetical max offer.

The reason he wouldn't "expound on how" in the interview is because he doesn't know, IMO.

According to Hoopshype the Celtics are on the books for:

$44,726,729 next offseason.

If Paul opts out of his contract at $21,513,521 the C's fall to

$23,213,208

Pierce resigns at $15, $16, $17 and $18 million with Bird rights now putting the Celtics at

$38,213,208

This gives the C's $18 million under the cap for summer of 2010.

1. you didn't count rondo's qualifing offer cap hold at all (4 million)

2. that still has the problem of leaving about 1 million dollars even to resign every other FA  on our roster that year (post max offer). (including paul and rondo, who under this scnario, has not been extended a qualifing offer)

again, He either doesn't know what he's talking about, or we are about to see the end of this era of celtic's basketball and he's looking to move ray, rondo, and paul for short term contracts that come off in 2010.. heck he could keep ray, but he'd have to move paul so he had another contract to expire with ray's, as long as getting rid of rondo now before you let him walk for nothing next year.


EDIT: also, you can't get out of his contract and then use bird rights. In order to max the max offer, you have to renounce those rights in order to lose his cap hold, which means you can't go over cap to sign him via bird rights you no longer have.


 

[KungPoweChicken]

This is definitely an ominous sign from the Wycster.

[Casperian]

Is anyone else having crazy visions of Lebron James!?

Nope, because I don't think this is a realistic possibility.

You think LBJ doesn`t like the possibility of being the next Icon of the most storied franchise in the NBA?

For at least the next 5 years, people will call him the "second best SF" ever. He will have to pass Bird before he can pass MJ, and I think that`s what he wants. As a Celtic, it will be much easier for him to become the "best SF" ever in the mind of the average fan.

Additionally, I remember an article during the all-star break, where the players where asked who else they would like to be, if they could change roles for one day.
LBJ thought longer than anyone else about it, then answered: "Kevin Garnett".

Ahh, it`s just a nice pipe dream.  

[Roy Hobbs]

Is anyone else having crazy visions of Lebron James!?

Nope, because I don't think this is a realistic possibility.

You think LBJ doesn`t like the possibility of being the next Icon of the most storied franchise in the NBA?

I don't think Pierce will leave $15+ million on the table for the chance to be replaced by Lebron.

[JSD]

1. you didn't count rondo's qualifing offer cap hold at all (4 million)

Based on Holley's follow up I'm basing my post on Rondo being gone (for a future pick or walks)

2. that still has the problem of leaving about 1 million dollars even to resign every other FA  on our roster that year (post max offer). (including paul and rondo, who under this scnario, has not been extended a qualifing offer)

How? We would need to utilize our exceptions just like we are now.

For instance, lets apply this scenario to this offseason:

Perk
KG
Pierce
Wade
Kidd/Miller/Bibby (MLE)

Rubio
SCal (Min)
Mcdyess (LLE)
Grant Hill (MIN)

[KungPoweChicken]

Is anyone else having crazy visions of Lebron James!?

Nope, because I don't think this is a realistic possibility.

You think LBJ doesn`t like the possibility of being the next Icon of the most storied franchise in the NBA?

For at least the next 5 years, people will call him the "second best SF" ever. He will have to pass Bird before he can pass MJ, and I think that`s what he wants. As a Celtic, it will be much easier for him to become the "best SF" ever in the mind of the average fan.

Additionally, I remember an article during the all-star break, where the players where asked who else they would like to be, if they could change roles for one day.
LBJ thought longer than anyone else about it, then answered: "Kevin Garnett".

Ahh, it`s just a nice pipe dream.  

Lebron wants to win, you think he wants to come to a team whose owner, from what we just heard, is ready to cut loose our best players for cap space?

[SSFan V]

I heard it live (which I guess is the same as listening to it later) and he brought up the situation we are now discussing.  Wyc threw this on the table with some enthusiasm.

I think we have to 100% assume he knows what he's talking about.

I also thought the part about the phone scramblers was interesting.

[Roy Hobbs]

How? We would need to utilize our exceptions just like we are now.

Teams under the cap don't get the MLE / LLE if they want to use cap space.  (The MLE and LLE count as "holds" on a team's salary cap in their full amount; to utilize cap space, these holds need to be renounced, meaning the MLE and LLE can't be used.)

[lon3lytoaster]

Is anyone else getting the feeling like it seems more and more likely like Rondo isn't coming back, and the Celtics' brass is trying to brace us for an upcoming trade?

[crownsy]

1. you didn't count rondo's qualifing offer cap hold at all (4 million)

Based on Holley's follow up I'm basing my post on Rondo being gone (for a future pick or walks)

2. that still has the problem of leaving about 1 million dollars even to resign every other FA  on our roster that year (post max offer). (including paul and rondo, who under this scnario, has not been extended a qualifing offer)

How? We would need to utilize our exceptions just like we are now.

For instance, lets apply this scenario to this offseason:

Perk
KG
Pierce
Wade
Kidd/Miller/Bibby (MLE)

Rubio
SCal (Min)
Mcdyess (LLE)
Grant Hill (MIN)

you can't sign paul under bird rights as you did here. BEFORE you offered a max contract to anyone, you would need to renounce his bird rights, which would limit our options with him after the max offer to MLE or minimum deal.

[Casperian]

I don't think Pierce will leave $15+ million on the table for the chance to be replaced by Lebron.

True, but we don`t know what "the situation" is that Wyc referred to. I was just playing with Wyc`s statement.

Lebron wants to win, you think he wants to come to a team whose owner, from what we just heard, is ready to cut loose our best players for cap space?

You don`t know how the team will look like in that "situation". KG, Perk, Ray (less money), maybe a good young player through the draft (I´m combining the rumors here), what`s not to like?

I think there's a reason why ownership pays someone to be the general manager. 

TP

[jambr380]

Is anyone else having crazy visions of Lebron James!?

Nope, because I don't think this is a realistic possibility.

You think LBJ doesn`t like the possibility of being the next Icon of the most storied franchise in the NBA?

For at least the next 5 years, people will call him the "second best SF" ever. He will have to pass Bird before he can pass MJ, and I think that`s what he wants. As a Celtic, it will be much easier for him to become the "best SF" ever in the mind of the average fan.

Additionally, I remember an article during the all-star break, where the players where asked who else they would like to be, if they could change roles for one day.
LBJ thought longer than anyone else about it, then answered: "Kevin Garnett".

Ahh, it`s just a nice pipe dream.  

Lebron wants to win, you think he wants to come to a team whose owner, from what we just heard, is ready to cut loose our best players for cap space?

This all is obviously improbable, but Lebron would at least 'consider' playing with KG, given all the scenarios out there. Would it even matter that much after you have those two and possibly a cheaper Ray/PP (even though they probably wouldn't accept any deal the Celtics could offer)