Doc Says Marbury Absolutely Being Considered

[housecall]

WYC didn't sound like Marbury will return next season in his interview on weei radio yesterday.From listening to the interview,the only thing Wyc was impressed with was Step.didn't cause any lockerroom problems and was a good team mate(imo).If you want to listen to yesterday's audio and develop your own opinions,go to weei website.

[EJPLAYA]

Can someone tell me the last time Marbury was productive?  2 seasons ago?


Wasn't he on a downward trend the season before?

He was productive last year unless the only thing you are counting is whether his outside shot dropped. He played very solid pesky defense. He worked hard to find the open man. For a guy who was supposed to be the epitome of selfishness he was selfless to the extreme. If anything he needed to shoot or drive more. If you look at the all around situation he was solid. If you were wanting the all-star to show up then of course you are dissapointed. 

How so?  I completely missed it.

Much easier to make an overall negative comment instead of addressing the issue. I'm okay with someone saying that he didn't shoot as well as we hoped, but he did do some things well and was a good soldier while on the team so I would be fine bringing the guy back. Go ahead and find a vet minimum guy that has his talent that is available for us to sign with upside...

[guava_wrench]

He needs to go.


The Celtics got lucky that he didn't implode like he has in the past. 


But, he gave the Celtics nothing on the court.



Nothing on the court, history of imploding...


What am I missing?

Explain this history of imploding you are talking about.

Did you not watch him in NY?


Did you not see how fast NJ, Phoenix try and dump him?  (not to mention how they improved after he left)

I watched about 90ish games of him playing for the Knicks. And I have been a fan since he played for Georgia Tech.

He did not implode in NY, so point not taken. They took on Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. D'Antoni who is a choke coach who disliked him in phoenix.

In NJ he was their best player by far, but the team was going no where they traded for some young guys. Phoenix to NY had more to do with the fact that Marbury has been trying to get to the Knicks since he joined the league.

But whatever you need to tell yourself at night to justify hating another human being you have never met .

Why are you mentioning D'Antoni? Marbury's NYK legacy was defined under Brown and Thomas, not last year.

[wdleehi]

Can someone tell me the last time Marbury was productive?  2 seasons ago?


Wasn't he on a downward trend the season before?

He was productive last year unless the only thing you are counting is whether his outside shot dropped. He played very solid pesky defense. He worked hard to find the open man. For a guy who was supposed to be the epitome of selfishness he was selfless to the extreme. If anything he needed to shoot or drive more. If you look at the all around situation he was solid. If you were wanting the all-star to show up then of course you are dissapointed. 

How so?  I completely missed it.

Much easier to make an overall negative comment instead of addressing the issue. I'm okay with someone saying that he didn't shoot as well as we hoped, but he did do some things well and was a good soldier while on the team so I would be fine bringing the guy back. Go ahead and find a vet minimum guy that has his talent that is available for us to sign with upside...

Show me one thing he did well on the court throughout his stay? 

[vagrantwade]

Can someone tell me the last time Marbury was productive?  2 seasons ago?


Wasn't he on a downward trend the season before?

He was productive last year unless the only thing you are counting is whether his outside shot dropped. He played very solid pesky defense. He worked hard to find the open man. For a guy who was supposed to be the epitome of selfishness he was selfless to the extreme. If anything he needed to shoot or drive more. If you look at the all around situation he was solid. If you were wanting the all-star to show up then of course you are dissapointed. 

How so?  I completely missed it.

Much easier to make an overall negative comment instead of addressing the issue. I'm okay with someone saying that he didn't shoot as well as we hoped, but he did do some things well and was a good soldier while on the team so I would be fine bringing the guy back. Go ahead and find a vet minimum guy that has his talent that is available for us to sign with upside...

Show me one thing he did well on the court throughout his stay? 

Helped us win a game against the Magic.

Started off good in two other playoff games but was completely shut down after the first half.

Are all of the questions going to be this easy or will they get more difficult?

[vagrantwade]

He needs to go.


The Celtics got lucky that he didn't implode like he has in the past. 


But, he gave the Celtics nothing on the court.



Nothing on the court, history of imploding...


What am I missing?

Explain this history of imploding you are talking about.

Did you not watch him in NY?


Did you not see how fast NJ, Phoenix try and dump him?  (not to mention how they improved after he left)

I watched about 90ish games of him playing for the Knicks. And I have been a fan since he played for Georgia Tech.

He did not implode in NY, so point not taken. They took on Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. D'Antoni who is a choke coach who disliked him in phoenix.

In NJ he was their best player by far, but the team was going no where they traded for some young guys. Phoenix to NY had more to do with the fact that Marbury has been trying to get to the Knicks since he joined the league.

But whatever you need to tell yourself at night to justify hating another human being you have never met .

Why are you mentioning D'Antoni? Marbury's NYK legacy was defined under Brown and Thomas, not last year.

Because D'Antoni is the one who made the descision to dissolve Marbury from the team. The franchise, best skilled, highest paid, player on the team.

[EJPLAYA]

Can someone tell me the last time Marbury was productive?  2 seasons ago?


Wasn't he on a downward trend the season before?

He was productive last year unless the only thing you are counting is whether his outside shot dropped. He played very solid pesky defense. He worked hard to find the open man. For a guy who was supposed to be the epitome of selfishness he was selfless to the extreme. If anything he needed to shoot or drive more. If you look at the all around situation he was solid. If you were wanting the all-star to show up then of course you are dissapointed. 

How so?  I completely missed it.

Much easier to make an overall negative comment instead of addressing the issue. I'm okay with someone saying that he didn't shoot as well as we hoped, but he did do some things well and was a good soldier while on the team so I would be fine bringing the guy back. Go ahead and find a vet minimum guy that has his talent that is available for us to sign with upside...

Show me one thing he did well on the court throughout his stay? 

I showed you a few in my response initially. You just chose to ignore them...

[wdleehi]

Can someone tell me the last time Marbury was productive?  2 seasons ago?


Wasn't he on a downward trend the season before?

He was productive last year unless the only thing you are counting is whether his outside shot dropped. He played very solid pesky defense. He worked hard to find the open man. For a guy who was supposed to be the epitome of selfishness he was selfless to the extreme. If anything he needed to shoot or drive more. If you look at the all around situation he was solid. If you were wanting the all-star to show up then of course you are dissapointed. 

How so?  I completely missed it.

Much easier to make an overall negative comment instead of addressing the issue. I'm okay with someone saying that he didn't shoot as well as we hoped, but he did do some things well and was a good soldier while on the team so I would be fine bringing the guy back. Go ahead and find a vet minimum guy that has his talent that is available for us to sign with upside...

Show me one thing he did well on the court throughout his stay? 

I showed you a few in my response initially. You just chose to ignore them...

You gave me an opinion with no supporting evidence.


I can look at the tapes and watch him pass up the open shots he was brought in here to take.

You can look at his stats and see even when he did shoot, his shot was awful this season.

You can look at his stats over the years and see them heading down. 


And the best anyone can say is "at least he behaved in the locker room." 


Or "he has one good game"  (out of how many, 30?)

[wdleehi]

http://www.82games.com/0809/08BOS2.HTM


Nothing positive in there.


http://www.82games.com/0809/playoffs/08BOS2.HTM



And nothing positive in there either.

[BballTim]

http://www.82games.com/0809/08BOS2.HTM


Nothing positive in there.


http://www.82games.com/0809/playoffs/08BOS2.HTM



And nothing positive in there either.

  That's pretty harsh. In the playoffs, his PER as a sg practically doubled from the regular season, going from 2.7 to 5.3. At that rate he'll hit double figures by the all-star break or so...

[EJPLAYA]

Can someone tell me the last time Marbury was productive?  2 seasons ago?


Wasn't he on a downward trend the season before?

He was productive last year unless the only thing you are counting is whether his outside shot dropped. He played very solid pesky defense. He worked hard to find the open man. For a guy who was supposed to be the epitome of selfishness he was selfless to the extreme. If anything he needed to shoot or drive more. If you look at the all around situation he was solid. If you were wanting the all-star to show up then of course you are dissapointed. 

How so?  I completely missed it.

Much easier to make an overall negative comment instead of addressing the issue. I'm okay with someone saying that he didn't shoot as well as we hoped, but he did do some things well and was a good soldier while on the team so I would be fine bringing the guy back. Go ahead and find a vet minimum guy that has his talent that is available for us to sign with upside...

Show me one thing he did well on the court throughout his stay? 

I showed you a few in my response initially. You just chose to ignore them...

You gave me an opinion with no supporting evidence.


I can look at the tapes and watch him pass up the open shots he was brought in here to take.

You can look at his stats and see even when he did shoot, his shot was awful this season.

You can look at his stats over the years and see them heading down. 


And the best anyone can say is "at least he behaved in the locker room." 


Or "he has one good game"  (out of how many, 30?)

And you made a claim that he did absolutely nothing well the entire year, which was ridiculous. I said that the guy was very aggressive defensively which is accurate. I said the guy looked for his teammates. He had 3 or more assists in 20 of the games he played this year averaging only 18 minutes in the regular season and 12 in the playoffs.

You are the one spouting absolutes and nonsense. Can you back up your claim that he did "nothing positive"?! Didn't think so...

[acieEarl]

What Doc really meant is Marbury Absolutely Being Considered for the minimum and if we have an open spot.

I'm with most people when I say I was all for Marbury to do well when we aquired him. He came in with the right additute but gave us next to nothing. He's washed up.

Let me guess what you mean by " I was all for Marbury to do well when we acquired him". That means never liked him before the Celtics but now that he's on my team I guess I want him to succeed. Then when he didn't play well you reverted to your original opinion of him. I think that characterizes how a lot of Boston fans felt about him, "OK I'll give him a chance but if he doesn't do great I can start hating him again". I'm not just saying you, this is a notion held by a lot of people.

Yea pretty much sums it up. Most people didn't want him at all. I thought it was worth a shot. And to give Marbury some credit he did exactly what the Celts asked of him and kept his mouth shut. I was impressed with his additute, but the bottom line is he's lost a step or two. He didn't shoot well and turned the ball over. Maybe with a full camp he'll be better but I wouldn't give him anymore the than minimum and I bet he'll try to get as much money as he can with this next contract.

[wdleehi]

Can someone tell me the last time Marbury was productive?  2 seasons ago?


Wasn't he on a downward trend the season before?

He was productive last year unless the only thing you are counting is whether his outside shot dropped. He played very solid pesky defense. He worked hard to find the open man. For a guy who was supposed to be the epitome of selfishness he was selfless to the extreme. If anything he needed to shoot or drive more. If you look at the all around situation he was solid. If you were wanting the all-star to show up then of course you are dissapointed. 

How so?  I completely missed it.

Much easier to make an overall negative comment instead of addressing the issue. I'm okay with someone saying that he didn't shoot as well as we hoped, but he did do some things well and was a good soldier while on the team so I would be fine bringing the guy back. Go ahead and find a vet minimum guy that has his talent that is available for us to sign with upside...

Show me one thing he did well on the court throughout his stay? 

I showed you a few in my response initially. You just chose to ignore them...

You gave me an opinion with no supporting evidence.


I can look at the tapes and watch him pass up the open shots he was brought in here to take.

You can look at his stats and see even when he did shoot, his shot was awful this season.

You can look at his stats over the years and see them heading down. 


And the best anyone can say is "at least he behaved in the locker room." 


Or "he has one good game"  (out of how many, 30?)

And you made a claim that he did absolutely nothing well the entire year, which was ridiculous. I said that the guy was very aggressive defensively which is accurate. I said the guy looked for his teammates. He had 3 or more assists in 20 of the games he played this year averaging only 18 minutes in the regular season and 12 in the playoffs.

You are the one spouting absolutes and nonsense. Can you back up your claim that he did "nothing positive"?! Didn't think so...

And the stats shows that the Celtics gave up 5 more points a game when he was on the floor (not to mention scoring almost 9 points less)

So the best thing we can say about a player is that he gave an effort to play the Celtics style.

That's great.  Doesn't get that player a new contract when he has this much experience. 

[wdleehi]

Can someone tell me the last time Marbury was productive?  2 seasons ago?


Wasn't he on a downward trend the season before?

He was productive last year unless the only thing you are counting is whether his outside shot dropped. He played very solid pesky defense. He worked hard to find the open man. For a guy who was supposed to be the epitome of selfishness he was selfless to the extreme. If anything he needed to shoot or drive more. If you look at the all around situation he was solid. If you were wanting the all-star to show up then of course you are dissapointed. 

How so?  I completely missed it.

Much easier to make an overall negative comment instead of addressing the issue. I'm okay with someone saying that he didn't shoot as well as we hoped, but he did do some things well and was a good soldier while on the team so I would be fine bringing the guy back. Go ahead and find a vet minimum guy that has his talent that is available for us to sign with upside...

Show me one thing he did well on the court throughout his stay? 

I showed you a few in my response initially. You just chose to ignore them...

You gave me an opinion with no supporting evidence.


I can look at the tapes and watch him pass up the open shots he was brought in here to take.

You can look at his stats and see even when he did shoot, his shot was awful this season.

You can look at his stats over the years and see them heading down. 


And the best anyone can say is "at least he behaved in the locker room." 


Or "he has one good game"  (out of how many, 30?)

And you made a claim that he did absolutely nothing well the entire year, which was ridiculous. I said that the guy was very aggressive defensively which is accurate. I said the guy looked for his teammates. He had 3 or more assists in 20 of the games he played this year averaging only 18 minutes in the regular season and 12 in the playoffs.

You are the one spouting absolutes and nonsense. Can you back up your claim that he did "nothing positive"?! Didn't think so...

And the stats shows that the Celtics gave up 5 more points a game when he was on the floor (not to mention scoring almost 9 points less)

So the best thing we can say about a player is that he gave an effort to play the Celtics style.

That's great.  Doesn't get that player a new contract when he has this much experience. 

Oh, and let me restate the negatives.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08BOS2.HTM


Nothing positive in there.


http://www.82games.com/0809/playoffs/08BOS2.HTM



And nothing positive in there either.

[EJPLAYA]

Can someone tell me the last time Marbury was productive?  2 seasons ago?


Wasn't he on a downward trend the season before?

He was productive last year unless the only thing you are counting is whether his outside shot dropped. He played very solid pesky defense. He worked hard to find the open man. For a guy who was supposed to be the epitome of selfishness he was selfless to the extreme. If anything he needed to shoot or drive more. If you look at the all around situation he was solid. If you were wanting the all-star to show up then of course you are dissapointed. 

How so?  I completely missed it.

Much easier to make an overall negative comment instead of addressing the issue. I'm okay with someone saying that he didn't shoot as well as we hoped, but he did do some things well and was a good soldier while on the team so I would be fine bringing the guy back. Go ahead and find a vet minimum guy that has his talent that is available for us to sign with upside...

Show me one thing he did well on the court throughout his stay? 

I showed you a few in my response initially. You just chose to ignore them...

You gave me an opinion with no supporting evidence.


I can look at the tapes and watch him pass up the open shots he was brought in here to take.

You can look at his stats and see even when he did shoot, his shot was awful this season.

You can look at his stats over the years and see them heading down. 


And the best anyone can say is "at least he behaved in the locker room." 


Or "he has one good game"  (out of how many, 30?)

And you made a claim that he did absolutely nothing well the entire year, which was ridiculous. I said that the guy was very aggressive defensively which is accurate. I said the guy looked for his teammates. He had 3 or more assists in 20 of the games he played this year averaging only 18 minutes in the regular season and 12 in the playoffs.

You are the one spouting absolutes and nonsense. Can you back up your claim that he did "nothing positive"?! Didn't think so...

And the stats shows that the Celtics gave up 5 more points a game when he was on the floor (not to mention scoring almost 9 points less)

So the best thing we can say about a player is that he gave an effort to play the Celtics style.

That's great.  Doesn't get that player a new contract when he has this much experience. 

Oh, and let me restate the negatives.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08BOS2.HTM


Nothing positive in there.


http://www.82games.com/0809/playoffs/08BOS2.HTM



And nothing positive in there either.

You don't have to restate the negatives. I listed negatives about his game in my comment. You just needed to back up the ludicrous statement that he did absolutely nothing positive while on the floor for us. Now you are backing off trying to pretend you were just isolating his weaknesses for us. That was never the case. I know what you were trying to say, but making statements that are so over the top doesn't help your case. If you can't recognize that the guy got better as he went along, that he passed the ball really well, that he played solid defense, that he was the farthest thing from being a locker room cancer, then there really is no point discussing this. You just hate the guy. I am fine with that. Just say "I know there were a few things that he did well out there, but I just can't stand his game and don't want him back." At least we'd know you were being straight about him.