Hollinger: LA Lakers #1 Basketball Franchise ever, Bos #2.

[CelticsWhat35]

As to intanglibles, the Lakers should be ahead of the Celtics.  I mean aren't we always talking about how players don't want to come here because the city of Boston is thought of as racist.  The weather sucks.  The taxes are high.  The city has a terrible reputation nationally.  The Lakers should be at the top of every list when rating intangibles.  

Also, the Lakers longest stretch without a Finals appearance is 8 years.  They have had just one other stretch above 5 years.

That's what people were saying when the Celtics were losing.  Funny how that's not the case anymore. 

And what notable free agents have the Celtics signed?

They signed Posey last year and got P.J. Brown at mid-season, and had plenty of players saying they'd love to play with the Celtics this past off season.  But the #1 advantage is money.  The Celtics were well over the cap.  All they could offer was the MLE.  So obviously a player that can make $8-10 million elsewhere, especially on a long-term deal, will take that over $5 mil.

[indeedproceed]

I'm sorry but the Lakers are the most successful franchise in NBA history.  I know that isn't going to be a popular viewpoint on the site, but it is reality.  The Lakers have played for the championship in 50% of the seasons in league history.  They have never had an extended down period.  And it isn't like they aren't second in titles or that far back.

Should Yale be considered the greatest college football team ever because they have the most titles?  How about Princton they are #2 on that list?

How is that a reality. It is completely and utterly subjective. If you only count playoff series won, not playoff wins, or just playoff wins, and not playoff series won, the Celtics take it.

  He doesn't count playoff losses because "nobody cares if they won 4-0 or 4-3". By that logic he should ignore playoff wins and only count series wins. If you lose the series, you lose the series.

The Lakers have won more playoff series than the Celtics.

That is his point, so counting playoff wins and series wins but ignoring losses boosts LA up over the Cs. The double counting of wins and series wins results in their "advantage" in his system.

TP for saying what I was trying to.

[nickagneta]

Thing that bugs me is how do you count a franchise's championships after you move to another town?

Do the Baltimore Ravens say that they have won 5 NFL championships or just 1? Because when the franchise was the Cleveland Browns they won 4 NFL championships?

I wonder if the St Louis Rams consider the championships they won in Cleveland and Los Angeles as their championships?

Do the Oakland Athletics fly championship flags at their stadium for championships won in Philadelphia?

How is it that the Los Angeles Lakers are taking credit for championships won in Minnesota?

It is the only way they can come close to accomplishing what the Celtics have accomplished. They steal championships of another city.

[Roy Hobbs]

Oh, and another area where I disagree with Hollinger:

Magic. Kareem. The Logo. Kobe. Shaq. When it comes to superstars, the Lakers are so far out in front of everybody else it's not even funny -- their all-time starting five would crush any other team's; in fact, it might be better than that of the rest of the league's put together.

The Celtics' real strength is their depth of great players, but they put together a pretty [dang] good starting lineup:

C: Russell
PF: McHale
SF: Bird
SG: Havlicek
PG: Cousy

In terms of how those players played against their contemporaries, I disagree that the five best Lakers would crush that team. 

Of course, if you add in players from other teams, the odds would be ridiculously against the Lakers.  How are they going to compete against a Russell/Duncan/Bird/Jordan/Robertson lineup?  That quote alone suggests that Hollinger is being far from unbiased.

[Moranis]

Thing that bugs me is how do you count a franchise's championships after you move to another town?

Do the Baltimore Ravens say that they have won 5 NFL championships or just 1? Because when the franchise was the Cleveland Browns they won 4 NFL championships?

I wonder if the St Louis Rams consider the championships they won in Cleveland and Los Angeles as their championships?

Do the Oakland Athletics fly championship flags at their stadium for championships won in Philadelphia?

How is it that the Los Angeles Lakers are taking credit for championships won in Minnesota?

It is the only way they can come close to accomplishing what the Celtics have accomplished. They steal championships of another city.

The City of Cleveland threatened to fight the Ravens move if they couldn't keep the history.  Thus the Ravens for historical purposes was a new franchise in 96 (or whatever) and the Browns just have like a 5 year gap in their history.  Very odd situation and the only one I'm aware of like that.

[indeedproceed]

As to intanglibles, the Lakers should be ahead of the Celtics.  I mean aren't we always talking about how players don't want to come here because the city of Boston is thought of as racist.  The weather sucks.  The taxes are high.  The city has a terrible reputation nationally.  The Lakers should be at the top of every list when rating intangibles.  

Also, the Lakers longest stretch without a Finals appearance is 8 years.  They have had just one other stretch above 5 years.

Read what he says about what intangibles are.

Kobe's litigation certainly shouldn't have helped anything. The Kobe-Shaq feud should have set them back, the Phil Jackson book...and on...and on...

Having famous fans does not mean you have a superior fanbase. it just means your tickets are probably too high and your beer is probably too expensive.

[Moranis]

As to intanglibles, the Lakers should be ahead of the Celtics.  I mean aren't we always talking about how players don't want to come here because the city of Boston is thought of as racist.  The weather sucks.  The taxes are high.  The city has a terrible reputation nationally.  The Lakers should be at the top of every list when rating intangibles.  

Also, the Lakers longest stretch without a Finals appearance is 8 years.  They have had just one other stretch above 5 years.

Read what he says about what intangibles are.

Kobe's litigation certainly shouldn't have helped anything. The Kobe-Shaq feud should have set them back, the Phil Jackson book...and on...and on...

Having famous fans does not mean you have a superior fanbase. it just means your tickets are probably too high and your beer is probably too expensive.

when did I or Hollinger mention famous fans?

[Redz]

Oh, and another area where I disagree with Hollinger:

Magic. Kareem. The Logo. Kobe. Shaq. When it comes to superstars, the Lakers are so far out in front of everybody else it's not even funny -- their all-time starting five would crush any other team's; in fact, it might be better than that of the rest of the league's put together.

The Celtics' real strength is their depth of great players, but they put together a pretty [dang] good starting lineup:

C: Russell
PF: McHale
SF: Bird
SG: Havlicek
PG: Cousy

In terms of how those players played against their contemporaries, I disagree that the five best Lakers would crush that team. 

Of course, if you add in players from other teams, the odds would be ridiculously against the Lakers.  How are they going to compete against a Russell/Duncan/Bird/Jordan/Robertson lineup?  That quote alone suggests that Hollinger is being far from unbiased.

Oh the bench we'd have!

[Cman]

Hollinger is so wrong, it isn't even worth discussing.

It's sort of like when a small child says something so ridiculous like "I can jump over that mountain" that you just ignore him and pat him on the head or something before saying, "now run along and play with your friends."

[RAcker]

It's sort of like when a small child says something so ridiculous like "I can jump over that mountain" that you just ignore him and pat him on the head or something before saying, "now run along and play with your friends."

[albas89]

Jack Nicholson's three Oscars and twelve nominations are too much for us to contend with. Donnie Wahlberg needs to pick it up.

I'm happy I saw Eliza Dushku at the Garden in our last playoff game this post-season...

[indeedproceed]

As to intanglibles, the Lakers should be ahead of the Celtics.  I mean aren't we always talking about how players don't want to come here because the city of Boston is thought of as racist.  The weather sucks.  The taxes are high.  The city has a terrible reputation nationally.  The Lakers should be at the top of every list when rating intangibles.  

Also, the Lakers longest stretch without a Finals appearance is 8 years.  They have had just one other stretch above 5 years.

Read what he says about what intangibles are.

Kobe's litigation certainly shouldn't have helped anything. The Kobe-Shaq feud should have set them back, the Phil Jackson book...and on...and on...

Having famous fans does not mean you have a superior fanbase. it just means your tickets are probably too high and your beer is probably too expensive.

when did I or Hollinger mention famous fans?

Intangibles: +150. Endless stream of superstars -- on the court and in the seats

[radiohead]

Mr. Hollinger, you have waaay too much time on your hands to even come up with a scoring system like that. Boston vs LA may be a wash, but c'mon...Oklahoma over Detroit?

[Donoghus]

This chat is a joke.  Talk about dodging the elephant in the room so far. 

[crownsy]

This chat is a joke.  Talk about dodging the elephant in the room so far. 

oh yea, he just ignoring any attempts to have him justify his formula, as per procedure?