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Re: Why we should look at Gortat
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2009, 11:41:43 AM »

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Not a realistic target. Someone else will offer Gortat more minutes and more money than the C's are prepared to do.

Best bargain on the market this summer too ...

You think he's top 15 starting 5 talent?
I think Gortat is a certainty as a top 15 center in the NBA.

Personally, I think he'll prove himself to be a Top 10 center.

I rate Gortat as a comparable overall talent to Tyson Chandler ... someone who is good value at $12mil per annum ... and there's no hope Gortat gets anywhere near that type of money this summer. If he gets half of that paycheck he'll do be doing well for himself. Gortat is the best bargain on the market.

Gortat is an exceptional talent as a possible MLE level player.

Re: Why we should look at Gortat
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2009, 11:46:53 AM »

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His stock is too high, we can't get him. Plus he's the perfect "just good enough" starting center for a Knicks team with Lebron James.

Re: Why we should look at Gortat
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2009, 12:03:28 PM »

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Not a realistic target. Someone else will offer Gortat more minutes and more money than the C's are prepared to do.

Best bargain on the market this summer too ...

You think he's top 15 starting 5 talent?
I think Gortat is a certainty as a top 15 center in the NBA.

Personally, I think he'll prove himself to be a Top 10 center.

I rate Gortat as a comparable overall talent to Tyson Chandler ... someone who is good value at $12mil per annum ... and there's no hope Gortat gets anywhere near that type of money this summer. If he gets half of that paycheck he'll do be doing well for himself. Gortat is the best bargain on the market.

Gortat is an exceptional talent as a possible MLE level player.

  Have you seen a lot of his play outside of the nba? He plays almost all of his minutes for the Magic against backups, right?

Re: Why we should look at Gortat
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2009, 12:12:54 PM »

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Not a realistic target. Someone else will offer Gortat more minutes and more money than the C's are prepared to do.

Best bargain on the market this summer too ...

You think he's top 15 starting 5 talent?
I think Gortat is a certainty as a top 15 center in the NBA.

Personally, I think he'll prove himself to be a Top 10 center.

I rate Gortat as a comparable overall talent to Tyson Chandler ... someone who is good value at $12mil per annum ... and there's no hope Gortat gets anywhere near that type of money this summer. If he gets half of that paycheck he'll do be doing well for himself. Gortat is the best bargain on the market.

Gortat is an exceptional talent as a possible MLE level player.

  Have you seen a lot of his play outside of the nba? He plays almost all of his minutes for the Magic against backups, right?
No, I haven't seen him play outside the NBA. And yes, he plays almost all of his minutes for the Magic against backups.

Re: Why we should look at Gortat
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2009, 12:20:07 PM »

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Not a realistic target. Someone else will offer Gortat more minutes and more money than the C's are prepared to do.

Best bargain on the market this summer too ...

You think he's top 15 starting 5 talent?
I think Gortat is a certainty as a top 15 center in the NBA.

Personally, I think he'll prove himself to be a Top 10 center.

I rate Gortat as a comparable overall talent to Tyson Chandler ... someone who is good value at $12mil per annum ... and there's no hope Gortat gets anywhere near that type of money this summer. If he gets half of that paycheck he'll do be doing well for himself. Gortat is the best bargain on the market.

Gortat is an exceptional talent as a possible MLE level player.

Wow, that is high praise.  I really have not seen enough of him to fully contradict you...but that is part of the problem.  I also have not seen enough of him (in 12 minutes per game) to agree with you either. 

There are plenty of guys who have looked great in 12 minutes per game, but then get exposed in 25 minutes per game.  I have seen enough of this to be very hesitant to give a big contract to anyone who has not proven they can play the role you would be asking of them.  And if any team signs him for the MLE, then they would be asking for him to play a much larger role than he has played on the Magic.

Re: Why we should look at Gortat
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2009, 12:26:43 PM »

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If someone gives Gortat 35 minutes a night. I expect him to contribute 9-12ppg, 10-12rpg, shoot 55-60% from the field and play very good defense. He also excellent picks both on and off the ball, and has very good hands. He does a good job of playing to his strengths, and staying away from his limitations, and as a result rarely makes mistakes.

Gortat is also extremely athletic ... and as a side bonus, he's a very hard worker and has made incredible improvements throughout the last two seasons in the NBA, so there's a good chance he shows further improvement in the next few years (particularly with his team defense).
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« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2009, 12:29:19 PM »

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If someone gives Gortat 35 minutes a night. I expect to contribute 9-12ppg, 10-12rpg, shoot 55-60% from the field and play very good defense. He also excellent picks both on and off the ball, and has very good hands. He does a good job of playing to his strengths, and staying away from his limitations, and as a result rarely makes mistakes.

Gortat is also extremely athletic ... and as a side bonus, he's a very hard worker and has made incredible improvements throughout the last two seasons in the NBA, so there's a good chance he shows further improvement in the next few years (particularly with his team defense).

Fair enough.  But I still think he is too big of a risk for the C's to make too much of an investment for right now.  They simply cannot afford to swing and miss this offseason, especially with their MLE, and while I understand your confidence that he will be a good player, Gortat is just not proven enough.

Re: Why we should look at Gortat
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2009, 12:32:51 PM »

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If someone gives Gortat 35 minutes a night. I expect to contribute 9-12ppg, 10-12rpg, shoot 55-60% from the field and play very good defense. He also excellent picks both on and off the ball, and has very good hands. He does a good job of playing to his strengths, and staying away from his limitations, and as a result rarely makes mistakes.

Gortat is also extremely athletic ... and as a side bonus, he's a very hard worker and has made incredible improvements throughout the last two seasons in the NBA, so there's a good chance he shows further improvement in the next few years (particularly with his team defense).

Fair enough.  But I still think he is too big of a risk for the C's to make too much of an investment for right now.  They simply cannot afford to swing and miss this offseason, especially with their MLE, and while I understand your confidence that he will be a good player, Gortat is just not proven enough.
Oh, I don't think the Celtics should sign him.

Too much money for a backup center. Gortat's offensive game isn't skilled enough to play at power forward. So he's fairly pigeon-holed in terms of position.

As a side note -- I'll be very unhappy if he goes somewhere where he's a backup. I want to see him go for a starting job and play 30-35 minutes a night.

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« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2009, 12:35:36 PM »

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If someone gives Gortat 35 minutes a night. I expect to contribute 9-12ppg, 10-12rpg, shoot 55-60% from the field and play very good defense. He also excellent picks both on and off the ball, and has very good hands. He does a good job of playing to his strengths, and staying away from his limitations, and as a result rarely makes mistakes.

Gortat is also extremely athletic ... and as a side bonus, he's a very hard worker and has made incredible improvements throughout the last two seasons in the NBA, so there's a good chance he shows further improvement in the next few years (particularly with his team defense).

Fair enough.  But I still think he is too big of a risk for the C's to make too much of an investment for right now.  They simply cannot afford to swing and miss this offseason, especially with their MLE, and while I understand your confidence that he will be a good player, Gortat is just not proven enough.
Oh, I don't think the Celtics should sign him.

Too much money for a backup center, and Gortat's offensive game isn't skilled enough to play at power forward.

As a side note -- I'll be very unhappy if he goes somewhere where he's a backup. I want to see him go for a starting job and play 30-35 minutes a night.

Ah, fair enough.  I wonder if he will get a look in Memphis or OKC.  They could really use a defensive center, and if he is as good as you say, he could make a big difference on either of those teams.