BOS / NY trade idea (NYK salary dump)

[paintitgreen]

BOS trades: Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine, Tony Allen, Gabe Pruitt
NYK trades: David Lee (S&T), Wilson Chandler, Chris Duhon, Jared Jeffries, Eddy Curry

We get three good players in return for taking on two lousy contracts.  I'm not sure if I would do this trade, but I'm inclined to say yes (and if I did so, I'd tell Curry to stay home until his contract expired.)

This could be the most lopsided trade in history in the Celtics favor. Danny would jump all over that if it came available.

While I think the deal could work out well, that's a HUGE overstatement considering the position it puts us in as far as salaries through 2011 (that's the plus side - Curry and Jeffries both expire in 2011 giving us $18 million in expiring money that season). Not to mention, it really works fine for New York too, I think they'd happily give up Duhon for the year (he'd be a FA after 2010), Lee and Chandler to unload the two guaranteed contracts they have in 2010. Plus, they'd have Bird rights on Ray and could immediately resign him at a more reasonable rate (say $9 million extension) to play alongside Lebron. Hell, they have room for Lebron, Bosh AND Ray at a reasonable extension if they make this trade.

Partially for that reason, I'd see how they'd feel about including Richardson, who expires this year, instead of Jeffries. I'm not even sure that works financially, since it adds $3 million in incoming salary for us. Then you still have a guy to play the 2. And you only have the one albatross (Curry) on the roster. We throw in Giddens to (hopefully) offset some of the salary differential. And is this assuming an $8 mil extension for Lee?

Rondo/Duhon
Richardson/House
Pierce/Chandler/Walker
Garnett/Davis/Powe
Perkins/Lee/Curry

Assuming $8-8.5-9-9.5-10 for Lee, 3 years, $7.5 for Powe and 2 years, $7 mil for Davis, we'd have $73 million committed to 2010-11 with no 2 guard, no backup point (Duhon/Richardson gone), and needing to pay Rondo


As for Ray taking a buyout, I think he'd be very reluctant. He loses Bird rights if he takes a buyout. He's not gonna keep his current salary, but a salary starting at around $8-11 million is very reasonable, but becomes much more difficult if he gives up Bird rights, since he can no longer do any sort of S&T.

 

[Roy Hobbs]

Assuming $8-8.5-9-9.5-10 for Lee, 3 years, $7.5 for Powe and 2 years, $7 mil for Davis, we'd have $73 million committed to 2010-11 with no 2 guard, no backup point (Duhon/Richardson gone), and needing to pay Rondo

If we did a deal like this, I'm sure we'd let BBD walk (he's going to get a better contract than the one you're proposing).  Regarding Powe, there's absolutely no way in heck he gets 3 years, $7.5 million.

In the model below, I'm proposing splitting the MLE between Antonio McDyess and Anthony Parker, and resigning Powe for a minimum deal.  I'm suggesting signing Lee beginning at $8 million, Perk beginning at $7,500,000, and Rondo beginning at $9,500,000.

That leaves us with a roster of:

Perk/McDyess
KG/Lee/Powe
Pierce/Chandler/Jeffries
Parker/House
Rondo/Duhon

With Giddens, Walker, and Curry inactive.  (Or deactivate Jeffries if we want to get Walker run at the 2/3.)

Our salaries would be:

==========================================================================

Player	2009-2010	2010-2011	2011-2012	2012-2013	2013-2014
Paul Pierce	$19,795,712	$21,515,521	n/a	n/a	n/a
Kevin Garnett	$16,451,934	$18,866,934	$21,281,934	n/a	n/a
Eddie Curry	$10,500,423	$11,276,863	n/a	n/a	n/a
Rajon Rondo	$2,094,922	$9,500,000	$10,400,000	$11,300,000	$12,200,000
David Lee	$8,000,000	$8,500,000	$9,000,000	$9,500,000	$10,000,000
Jared Jeffries	$6,049,400	$6,466,600	n/a	n/a
Chris Duhon	$6,031,800	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a
Kendrick Perkins	$4,750,000	$4,890,208	7,500,000	8,300,000	9,100,000
Antonio McDyess	$3,000,000	$3,500,000	n/a	n/a	n/a
Eddie House	$2,862,000	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a
Anthony Parker	$2,500,000	$3,000,000	n/a	n/a	n/a
Wilson Chandler	$1,255,440	$2,130,482	$3,099,851	n/a	n/a
J.R. Giddens	$1,028,880	$1,100,640	$1,986,655	$2,979,983	n/a
Leon Powe	$825,497	$854,389	n/a	n/a	n/a
Bill Walker	$736,420	$854,389	$916,100	n/a	n/a
Total Salary:	$84,606,588	$92,456,026	$54,184,540	$32,079,093	31,300,000
Total w/o Options:	$75,715,588	$66,101,606	$48,181,934	$29,100,000	$31,300,000

The above plan gives us a payroll this season that was less than last year's.  Unfortunately, assuming we extend Rondo next year and have Parker and MyDyess on the roster, the team would be paying a significant luxury tax.  However, the year after we're under the cap again, with KG, Lee, Rondo, Perk, and Chandler signed.  In 2012, depending upon what we did with Chandler, we're looking at as much as $25,000,000 - $30,000,000 in cap room to make a run at Kevin Durant and another player.

So, is the trade ideal?  Probably not.  However, I think that it puts us in a great position to win now *and* in the future.

EDIT:  So much for that idea.  I think our salary in this year would be sustainable; we'd be bringing back a much better club than last year.  $92 million next year would be tough to justify, though; after luxury tax, that's around a $105 million payroll.

[johnnyrondo]

I think you're missing J. Jeffries on the salary chart.

[Roy Hobbs]

I think you're missing J. Jeffries on the salary chart.

Haha.  Oops.  Yeah, I guess that makes a fairly substantial difference, huh? 

[winsomme]

BOS trades: Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine, Tony Allen, Gabe Pruitt
NYK trades: David Lee (S&T), Wilson Chandler, Chris Duhon, Jared Jeffries, Eddy Curry

We get three good players in return for taking on two lousy contracts.  I'm not sure if I would do this trade, but I'm inclined to say yes (and if I did so, I'd tell Curry to stay home until his contract expired.)

interesting idea. I think I'd have to feel Curry would take a buyout (favorable to him) and Chandler was capable of being a starter on a Title contending team.

I'm not sure if either of those would be the results we would get though.

how about:

Cs get: Jeffries and Lee

NYKs get: Scals, TA, Giddens and a future first

maybe we could get some defense out of Jeffries on the wing and Lee to replace BBD. Sign Dice, Hill and Mar as FAs. and Leon for midseason return.

Rondo/Mar/Pruitt
Ray/Eddie/Walker
PP/Hill/Jeffries
KG/Lee/Powe
Perk/Dice

[Roy Hobbs]

how about:

Cs get: Jeffries and Lee

NYKs get: Scals, TA, Giddens and a future first

The salaries aren't close to matching up; Jeffries makes over $6 million, and Lee will be looking for around $8 million, I'm assuming.

[winsomme]

or how about:

Cs get: Chandler and Curry

NYK gets: Scals, TA, Giddens + future first

We get the long wing off the bench in Chandler who can play three positions (SG,SF,PF) and knock down the three. Re-sign Baby and Leon. And use MLE on Sheed.

Rondo/Eddie/Pruitt
Ray/Walker
Paul/Chandler
KG/Baby/Leon
Perk/Sheed

[winsomme]

how about:

Cs get: Jeffries and Lee

NYKs get: Scals, TA, Giddens and a future first

The salaries aren't close to matching up; Jeffries makes over $6 million, and Lee will be looking for around $8 million, I'm assuming.

I thought Lee was under contract for next year at about 2 mil per.

[winsomme]

how about:

Cs get: Jeffries and Lee

NYKs get: Scals, TA, Giddens and a future first

The salaries aren't close to matching up; Jeffries makes over $6 million, and Lee will be looking for around $8 million, I'm assuming.

I thought Lee was under contract for next year at about 2 mil per.

plus we could pick up Pruitt's option and add that in.

so the basic package is:

Scals, TA, Giddens + future first (add in Pruitt if need be)

to get:

Curry (or Jeffries) + Lee (or Chandler)

rough salary breakdown:

from Cs:

Scals - 3.5 mil
TA - 2.5 mil
JR - 1.5 mil
Pruitt - 1 mil

= 8.5 mil

from NYK:

Curry - 10 mil
or Jeff - 6 mil

Lee - 2.5 mil
or Chand - 1 mil


I guess we couldn't do Curry deals, but it seems like we could pair Lee or Chand with Jeff...

[Roy Hobbs]

how about:

Cs get: Jeffries and Lee

NYKs get: Scals, TA, Giddens and a future first

The salaries aren't close to matching up; Jeffries makes over $6 million, and Lee will be looking for around $8 million, I'm assuming.

I thought Lee was under contract for next year at about 2 mil per.

Nope.  He's a restricted free agent.  His qualifying offer is $2,682,049, but he's not under contract.

[winsomme]

how about:

Cs get: Jeffries and Lee

NYKs get: Scals, TA, Giddens and a future first

The salaries aren't close to matching up; Jeffries makes over $6 million, and Lee will be looking for around $8 million, I'm assuming.

I thought Lee was under contract for next year at about 2 mil per.

Nope.  He's a restricted free agent.  His qualifying offer is $2,682,049, but he's not under contract.

Ah. gotcha.

[johnnyrondo]

I think you're missing J. Jeffries on the salary chart.

Haha.  Oops.  Yeah, I guess that makes a fairly substantial difference, huh? 

Ok looking at the adjusted chart, I still think there's hope. Two things I think would have to happen. You'd have to get some sort of buyout from Curry. If you can save even let's say 2.5 million off of him per yr and then sacrifice McDyess (3.5) that's 6 million saved (9 million w/ luxury tax correct?)

Without McDyess, you'd still have Perkins, KG, Lee, and Powe as your bigs. Don't think there would be any minutes for anyone else (maybe barely any for Powe as it is), but if there is an injury you would still have Jeffries and chandler can play some 4 (and hopefully Walker too). If you have a backup big as good as Lee and starters like KG and Perk, you really don't need that many more bodies.

So I think the trade is still doable, but McDyess would have to be eliminated (and truth be told if we already had Perk, KG, Lee and Powe he might not want to come anyways).

[DeStefano2004]

I dont see how this trade could not boost our team in a big way. David Lee is an absolute monster on the glass.  Chris Duhon is a servicable point guard who for a long stretch of last season played extremely well.  Jarred Jeffries gives us the length and hustle we need off the bench although I would rather see minutes given to Bill Walker next season. The bigger steal of this trade for us would be Wilson Chandler. This kid gives you a bit of everything and was really coming into his own towards the end of the season.  It would be very interesting to see this group of guys play with a championship veteran squad. Not to mention KG breathing down your neck.  Dont know if this trade works money-wise, but I would pull the trigger on it.

[johnnyrondo]

I dont see how this trade could not boost our team in a big way. David Lee is an absolute monster on the glass.  Chris Duhon is a servicable point guard who for a long stretch of last season played extremely well.  Jarred Jeffries gives us the length and hustle we need off the bench although I would rather see minutes given to Bill Walker next season. The bigger steal of this trade for us would be Wilson Chandler. This kid gives you a bit of everything and was really coming into his own towards the end of the season.  It would be very interesting to see this group of guys play with a championship veteran squad. Not to mention KG breathing down your neck.  Dont know if this trade works money-wise, but I would pull the trigger on it.

Welcome to Celticsblog DeStefano2004,
    Well written post and your avatar and Kobe diss are good too. Here's your first Tommy Point!

[QuinielaBox]

I like the idea Wilson Chandler and David Lee coming up to Boston and giving us more frontcourt toughness. I am a bit down on Eddy Curry and Jared Jefferies but both can have their moments. One of those two and probably both are upgrades over Mikki Moore at least but certainly not Glen Davis or Leon Powe. Chris Duhon is a good backup PG -gotta be an upgrade over Stiffbury.

I don't know,  I have reservations about doing this kind of deal with close rival like the Knicks.